SoCal Deek Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 59 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: What is my way? You can continue to hide behind your unbiased veneer…but that act has been played to death. Next! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, SoCal Deek said: You can continue to hide behind your unbiased veneer…but that act has been played to death. Next! I am a human, and therefore I have biases. I just don’t know what you are talking about, so I asked for clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: I am a human, and therefore I have biases. I just don’t know what you are talking about, so I asked for clarification. So that Trump hating rant the other day was just a human thing? Come on Man! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: This feels like a legal dead end. If he was deluded that he won and in that delusion believed he was just asking for help arriving his delusional outcome what’s the crime?? Being a delusional narcissist? I mean guilty there but that’s not a violation of any law… And if that's a crime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: So that Trump hating rant the other day was just a human thing? Come on Man! Trump is a narcissistic monster who has no love for this country. Still waiting on what my way of insurrection is or whatever your bias was ascribing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Quick reminder: Politicians and the press have long been lying to the American public about the 2020 election by asserting that former President Donald Trump and his lawyers attempted to overturn the results of the election based on disproven claims of election fraud. Now Fulton County, Georgia’s prosecutor is pushing the same lies, while also seeking to criminalize legitimate legal challenges to violations of the state’s election law. Yesterday news broke that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis had obtained grand jury subpoenas to question several of Trump’s election lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Jenna Ellis, Cleta Mitchell, and Kenneth Chesebro. The special grand jury convened by Willis also issued subpoenas for South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham and attorney and podcast host Jacki Pick Deason. In January of this year, D.A. Willis first requested that the chief judge of the Fulton County Superior Court, Christopher Brasher, impanel a “special grand jury” to assist in Fulton County’s investigation “into any coordinated attempts to unlawfully alter the outcome of the 2020 elections in this state.” Willis claimed a special grand jury was needed because her office had “received information indicating a reasonable probability that the State of Georgia’s administration of elections in 2020, including the State’s election of the President of the United States, was subject to possible criminal disruptions.” What those supposed “possible criminal disruptions” were, she didn’t say. And for good reason: Willis’ investigation represents a political witch hunt seeking retribution against Trump and his lawyers for challenging the Georgia election results. The proof of this reality lies foremost in the fact that in seeking the appointment of a special grand jury, Willis stressed that it would lack the authority to return any indictments but instead “may make recommendations concerning criminal prosecution as it shall see fit.” In other words, the special grand jury will not return an indictment but instead will issue a report. 😂 Given the D.A.’s one-sided presentation of evidence to the special grand jury, any report will, by design, merely regurgitate what Willis fed the group — garbage in, garbage out. Willis doesn’t need an indictment to prevail in her attempt to paint Trump and his supports as criminals, however, as just leaking information on the subpoenas served that end. In fact, even if the special grand jury recommends criminal charges, watch for Willis to demur for some self-righteous reason, so those accused cannot defend themselves or challenge any bogus legal theories of criminal liability advanced by the district attorney. Further proof that the D.A.’s investigation is a sham comes from her focus on Trump’s January 2, 2021, telephone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Democrats and the sycophant media continue to falsely claim that Trump asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes during that call, even though a transcript of the conversation has been publicly available for over a year and a half. That transcript confirms that during the phone conversation with Raffensperger’s office, Trump and his legal team weren’t pushing Raffensperger to “find” more votes for Trump, but to investigate the evidence Trump’s legal team had accumulated showing illegal votes were cast in the 2020 general election in Georgia well in excess of Biden’s 11,779 vote margin. https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/06/like-the-j6-committee-fulton-county-da-works-overtime-to-criminalize-challenges-to-election-law-violations/ . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, B-Man said: . That transcript confirms that during the phone conversation with Raffensperger’s office, Trump and his legal team weren’t pushing Raffensperger to “find” more votes for Trump, but to investigate the evidence Trump’s legal team had accumulated showing illegal votes were cast in the 2020 general election in Georgia well in excess of Biden’s 11,779 vote margin. https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/06/like-the-j6-committee-fulton-county-da-works-overtime-to-criminalize-challenges-to-election-law-violations/ . Anyone with two working brain cels know the above is the case. To believe otherwise is a suspension from truth and reality. These investigations are nothing but McCarthyism all over again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Anyone with two working brain cels know the above is the case. To believe otherwise is a suspension from truth and reality. These investigations are nothing but McCarthyism all over again Except that Trump had already been told by his DoJ, lawyers and campaign that the claims of fraud in Georgia were false. And then on the call, he said that he won by more than 400,000 votes but he wanted the Secretary of State to certify the election by giving him only around 11,000 more votes. So, he should have known that he was wrong. And even if he didn't believe it, he told the Secretary of State to certify a number that Trump himself believed to be false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 25 minutes ago, B-Man said: Quick reminder: Politicians and the press have long been lying to the American public about the 2020 election by asserting that former President Donald Trump and his lawyers attempted to overturn the results of the election based on disproven claims of election fraud. lations/ . A party built on lies and lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Except that Trump had already been told by his DoJ, lawyers and campaign that the claims of fraud in Georgia were false. And then on the call, he said that he won by more than 400,000 votes but he wanted the Secretary of State to certify the election by giving him only around 11,000 more votes. So, he should have known that he was wrong. And even if he didn't believe it, he told the Secretary of State to certify a number that Trump himself believed to be false. None of that is a "crime" 22 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Anyone with two working brain cels know the above is the case. To believe otherwise is a suspension from truth and reality. And here is proof. 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Except that Trump had already been told by his DoJ, lawyers and campaign that the claims of fraud in Georgia were false. And then on the call, he said that he won by more than 400,000 votes but he wanted the Secretary of State to certify the election by giving him only around 11,000 more votes. So, he should have known that he was wrong. And even if he didn't believe it, he told the Secretary of State to certify a number that Trump himself believed to be false. Debating anything with you is like debating with Tibs and BillsTime, it's simply a waste of time and effort. Trump knew, along with countless Americans that the election was a fraud and illegitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 So many confident legal scholars in the house - lolz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, B-Man said: None of that is a "crime" Actually, it is. Under GA Code § 21-2-604, it is a crime to request that someone engage in a crime as outlined in Georgia election law. This includes GA Code § 21-2-562 which states (among other things) that it is a crime to put any false entry into the voting tally. So, if Trump had won by more than 400,000 as he claimed, but Raffensberger only added 11,000 votes to the tally, then Raffensberger would have committed a crime under 21-2-562 because he put in a fraudulent number. Therefore, by asking Raffensberger to do so, Trump himself violated 21-2-604 by requesting or soliciting that Raffensberger commit a crime under Georgia election law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 37 minutes ago, B-Man said: None of that is a "crime" And here is proof. He tried to interfere with a government process. Why do you defend a person who literally tried ruining the constitution ?! are you a criminal? 32 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Debating anything with you is like debating with Tibs and BillsTime, it's simply a waste of time and effort. Trump knew, along with countless Americans that the election was a fraud and illegitimate. Yes, because you want to lie. Your political party lies, you you follow their lead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 12 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Trump is a narcissistic monster who has no love for this country. Still waiting on what my way of insurrection is or whatever your bias was ascribing to me. Well at least you're being honest with yourself and the others on this board. We can drop the independent arbiter of facts pretense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Quick reminder: Politicians and the press have long been lying to the American public about the 2020 election by asserting that former President Donald Trump and his lawyers attempted to overturn the results of the election based on disproven claims of election fraud. Now Fulton County, Georgia’s prosecutor is pushing the same lies, while also seeking to criminalize legitimate legal challenges to violations of the state’s election law. Yesterday news broke that Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis had obtained grand jury subpoenas to question several of Trump’s election lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Jenna Ellis, Cleta Mitchell, and Kenneth Chesebro. The special grand jury convened by Willis also issued subpoenas for South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham and attorney and podcast host Jacki Pick Deason. In January of this year, D.A. Willis first requested that the chief judge of the Fulton County Superior Court, Christopher Brasher, impanel a “special grand jury” to assist in Fulton County’s investigation “into any coordinated attempts to unlawfully alter the outcome of the 2020 elections in this state.” Willis claimed a special grand jury was needed because her office had “received information indicating a reasonable probability that the State of Georgia’s administration of elections in 2020, including the State’s election of the President of the United States, was subject to possible criminal disruptions.” What those supposed “possible criminal disruptions” were, she didn’t say. And for good reason: Willis’ investigation represents a political witch hunt seeking retribution against Trump and his lawyers for challenging the Georgia election results. The proof of this reality lies foremost in the fact that in seeking the appointment of a special grand jury, Willis stressed that it would lack the authority to return any indictments but instead “may make recommendations concerning criminal prosecution as it shall see fit.” In other words, the special grand jury will not return an indictment but instead will issue a report. 😂 Given the D.A.’s one-sided presentation of evidence to the special grand jury, any report will, by design, merely regurgitate what Willis fed the group — garbage in, garbage out. Willis doesn’t need an indictment to prevail in her attempt to paint Trump and his supports as criminals, however, as just leaking information on the subpoenas served that end. In fact, even if the special grand jury recommends criminal charges, watch for Willis to demur for some self-righteous reason, so those accused cannot defend themselves or challenge any bogus legal theories of criminal liability advanced by the district attorney. Further proof that the D.A.’s investigation is a sham comes from her focus on Trump’s January 2, 2021, telephone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Democrats and the sycophant media continue to falsely claim that Trump asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes during that call, even though a transcript of the conversation has been publicly available for over a year and a half. That transcript confirms that during the phone conversation with Raffensperger’s office, Trump and his legal team weren’t pushing Raffensperger to “find” more votes for Trump, but to investigate the evidence Trump’s legal team had accumulated showing illegal votes were cast in the 2020 general election in Georgia well in excess of Biden’s 11,779 vote margin. https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/06/like-the-j6-committee-fulton-county-da-works-overtime-to-criminalize-challenges-to-election-law-violations/ . Lindsey G says "...Politics..." and seems not at all fazed by the latest breaking news. I'm sure the others will follow suit. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3547213-graham-plans-to-challenge-subpoena-this-is-all-politics/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Except that Trump had already been told by his DoJ, lawyers and campaign that the claims of fraud in Georgia were false. And then on the call, he said that he won by more than 400,000 votes but he wanted the Secretary of State to certify the election by giving him only around 11,000 more votes. So, he should have known that he was wrong. And even if he didn't believe it, he told the Secretary of State to certify a number that Trump himself believed to be false. Yes because so many things that involved politics that we were told were truth or lies were later found out to be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 hours ago, B-Man said: Further proof that the D.A.’s investigation is a sham comes from her focus on Trump’s January 2, 2021, telephone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Democrats and the sycophant media continue to falsely claim that Trump asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes during that call, even though a transcript of the conversation has been publicly available for over a year and a half. Yeah, let’s read the damn transcript before accusing Trump of telling a Sec of State to “find” him some extra votes!! Oops, on second thought: ”All I want to do is this. I just want to FIND 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have (sic; he seems to mean “one more than the count shows we lost by”) because we won the state.” Damn liberal media, making up stuff like saying that Trump asked the Sec of State to go out and “find” 11,780 more Trump votes! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Party of law and order - NOT Why are these pigs always above the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 On 7/5/2022 at 5:47 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: If he’s on tape breaking the law, why would any additional testimony be required for success? They make ***** up and claim it’s real. Pretty pathetic of the deranged left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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