Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 26 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Why exactly? Should the people of Nice, France be allowed to sue Renault? Why should people have the courts open to them to address grievances? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: Or make it harder for crazy people to have access to weapons of war Traitor? How so? This guy worked diligently to impeach a sitting President through lies and deceit…tried to overturn an election by pushing a false narrative that it had been stolen by Russia…all while was smashing a Chinese spy who infiltrated his inner circle. He’s beholden to China, like his California colleague Dianne Feinstein who also harbored a Chinese spy for decades. He has betrayed his country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why should people have the courts open to them to address grievances? Seriously? Well, just FYI... gun manufactures CAN be sued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Well, just FYI... gun manufactures CAN be sued. 6 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Well, just FYI... gun manufactures CAN be sued. Nope, not when their product was used in a crime, terrorist act or any other act of wanton destruction. I'd change that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: Nope, not when their product was used in a crime, terrorist act or any other act of wanton destruction. I'd change that Why? What's their culpability in this? NOTE: I believe Tibs has me on ignore so if anyone else wants him to answer this you may want to quote him instead of me. Let the fun begin...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bakin said: This guy worked diligently to impeach a sitting President through lies and deceit…tried to overturn an election by pushing a false narrative that it had been stolen by Russia…all while was smashing a Chinese spy who infiltrated his inner circle. He’s beholden to China, like his California colleague Dianne Feinstein who also harbored a Chinese spy for decades. T He has betrayed his country. Trump deserved what he got, and deserved worse, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Nope, not when their product was used in a crime, terrorist act or any other act of wanton destruction. I'd change that Why? What's their culpability in this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said: You failed to answer my question. Is a "Glock 17" or any other semi-automatic handgun, an "Assault Weapon"? Not a difficult question to answer. (and again, you've missed his point) There is literally ZERO need for any person to have semi-automatic weapons. Hunting? No. Home defense? No. They are made for one purpose ... killing people. Absolutely nothing good comes from them being available. Nothing. You want to feel macho? Go buy a big truck with big tires and one of those exhausts that runs up behind your windows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: There is literally ZERO need for any person to have semi-automatic weapons. Hunting? No. Home defense? No. They are made for one purpose ... killing people. Absolutely nothing good comes from them being available. Nothing. You want to feel macho? Go buy a big truck with big tires and one of those exhausts that runs up behind your windows. Almost every gun is a semi-automatic weapon. Are you saying they need to ban all guns? Please be specific It also sounds like your knowledge on the subject is starting from scratch. There's a lot of good discussion on this if you go 2 pages back in this thread and I'm happy to help answer any questions you may have 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: Almost every gun is a semi-automatic weapon. Are you saying they need to ban all guns? Please be specific It also sounds like your knowledge on the subject is starting from scratch. There's a lot of good discussion on this if you go 2 pages back in this thread and I'm happy to help answer any questions you may have My definition of a semi-automatic gun is one that does not need to be cocked between shots fired. I am not anti-gun and I am pro 2nd amendment. But it's antiquated. There is no reason for anyone to have semi-automatic weapons. Their only purpose is to kill people. We need less of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: There is literally ZERO need for any person to have semi-automatic weapons. Hunting? No. Home defense? No. They are made for one purpose ... killing people. Absolutely nothing good comes from them being available. Nothing. You want to feel macho? Go buy a big truck with big tires and one of those exhausts that runs up behind your windows. Oh Gawd, here we go. You're incorrect on all accounts. As I said in an earlier post... the AR platform is now one of the most popular, if not THE most popular, hunting platforms in the United States. I hunt with one, my family does, nearly every I know uses them. AR-10's are perfect for deer. AR-15/300AAC Blackout is a must for hunting hogs. I don't want to use a bolt action when firing on a wild boar. I've seen them charge after being shot 3 times. Home defense? No? WTF are you talking about. Are you just a troll? Nearly ever firearm in America is a semi-automatic. Only revolvers, black powder and pump action shotguns aren't. 1 minute ago, Gugny said: My definition of a semi-automatic gun is one that does not need to be cocked between shots fired. I am not anti-gun and I am pro 2nd amendment. But it's antiquated. There is no reason for anyone to have semi-automatic weapons. Their only purpose is to kill people. We need less of that. Clearly, you are. And again, you're so wrong on the "only purpose" quote. I competition shoot, I hunt and I have firearms to protect my family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, ArdmoreRyno said: Oh Gawd, here we go. You're incorrect on all accounts. As I said in an earlier post... the AR platform is now one of the most popular, if not THE most popular, hunting platforms in the United States. I hunt with one, my family does, nearly every I know uses them. AR-10's are perfect for deer. AR-15/300AAC Blackout is a must for hunting hogs. I don't want to use a bolt action when firing on a wild boar. I've seen them charge after being shot 3 times. Home defense? No? WTF are you talking about. Are you just a troll? Nearly ever firearm in America is a semi-automatic. Only revolvers, black powder and pump action shotguns aren't. If you need a semi-automatic weapon to shoot an effing boar, then you're not a very good hunter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: If you need a semi-automatic weapon to shoot an effing boar, then you're not a very good hunter. Says someone who has never hunted a wild pig. I love hearing this quote from the uneducated. Do you get your firearm knowledge from The View? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, ArdmoreRyno said: Says someone who has never hunted a wild pig. I love hearing this quote from the uneducated. Do you get your firearm knowledge from The View? Ah, here we go. This is always so cute. I don't watch the View. I don't watch CNN. I am not a Biden fan. I was not a Hillary fan. Now that THAT's out of the way ... If you need a semi-automatic weapon to HUNT, then you should either find another hobby or, perhaps, start hunting rabbits or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: My definition of a semi-automatic gun is one that does not need to be cocked between shots fired. I am not anti-gun and I am pro 2nd amendment. But it's antiquated. There is no reason for anyone to have semi-automatic weapons. Their only purpose is to kill people. We need less of that. What if someone breaks in your house and wants to kill you or your family? He'll kill ya all while you're reloading your musket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Chef Jim said: What if someone breaks in your house and wants to kill you or your family? He'll kill ya all while you're reloading your musket I'm 51 years old and know exactly zero people who've had their house broken into. I like my odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Ah, here we go. This is always so cute. I don't watch the View. I don't watch CNN. I am not a Biden fan. I was not a Hillary fan. Now that THAT's out of the way ... If you need a semi-automatic weapon to HUNT, then you should either find another hobby or, perhaps, start hunting rabbits or something. I have semi-auto weapons to shoot people who threaten me and my family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Trump deserved what he got, and deserved worse, imo He deserved to be falsely accused and impeached over lies and nonsense? Because he wrote mean tweets? Your attitude is as good an example of why liberalism is a mental disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Ah, here we go. This is always so cute. I don't watch the View. I don't watch CNN. I am not a Biden fan. I was not a Hillary fan. Now that THAT's out of the way ... If you need a semi-automatic weapon to HUNT, then you should either find another hobby or, perhaps, start hunting rabbits or something. I served in the US Army, competed nationally with the AR-15 platform, I now just do it locally and I hunt. You have absolutely NO CLUE what you are talking about when it comes to firearms and hunting. Zero. So why don't you stick to something you understand. This is something, you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: I'm 51 years old and know exactly zero people who've had their house broken into. I like my odds. I'm 61 years old and had our house broken in to in Oakland 12 months after we bought it. Caught 2 people looking in the windows on our security cam when it as listed for sale. The home across the street was broken into three times in the five years we lived there. We had strangers knock on our door in the middle of the night several times. I called OPD several times with suspicious activity out front. And here's the kicker. The original owners were victims of home invasion. Tied up and beaten for six hours. So just because you know no one who has had their homes broken in to doesn't mean the rest of us care about YOUR odds. I care about protecting me and my family if I live somewhere that requires my protection. And BTW this is not the slums of Oakland. That house is now valued on Zillow at $1.4m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm 51 years old and know exactly zero people who've had their house broken into. I like my odds. Who gives a sh*t about your life experiences? Just because you and your imaginary friends have never had a break in... that doesn't mean the 2.5+ MILLION houses broken into don't exist. This happened down the road from where I lived a few years ago... but you've never had to deal with it, so others shouldn't have that right. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/28/three-burglars-entered-an-oklahoma-home-the-owners-son-opened-fire-with-an-ar-15-deputies-say/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, Gugny said: My definition of a semi-automatic gun is one that does not need to be cocked between shots fired. I am not anti-gun and I am pro 2nd amendment. But it's antiquated. There is no reason for anyone to have semi-automatic weapons. Their only purpose is to kill people. We need less of that. Ok that would be considered a pretty extreme stance. I think that you would get a lot of pushback and that will likely not happen in your lifetime. Pretty much all handguns are semi-automatic so you would want to ban those. I don't think that's a very realistic outcome which is why these discussions never go anywhere and things never change. The reasons for the 2nd amendment are just as true now as it was back then. Our forefathers were trying to gain independence from a fascist monarchy and didn't want any government to have that much power over their citizens ever again. The 2nd amendment was created so that a balance of power existed. It wasn't created so people could go hunting or target shooting. If you are against the 2nd amendment then you are against the fundamentals this country was built on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I'm 61 years old and had our house broken in to in Oakland 12 months after we bought it. Caught 2 people looking in the windows on our security cam when it as listed for sale. The home across the street was broken into three times in the five years we lived there. We had strangers knock on our door in the middle of the night several times. I called OPD several times with suspicious activity out front. And here's the kicker. The original owners were victims of home invasion. Tied up and beaten for six hours. So just because you know no one who has had their homes broken in to doesn't mean the rest of us care about YOUR odds. I care about protecting me and my family if I live somewhere that requires my protection. And BTW this is not the slums of Oakland. That house is now valued on Zillow at $1.4m But you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself. Nor should anyone else.... just because Gugny hasn't had anyone break into his home and he can kill a wild boar with a pocket knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm 51 years old and know exactly zero people who've had their house broken into. I like my odds. Now you know at least one. I posted this story earlier in the thread, but to make a long story short a while back my apartment was broken into while me and my then gf (now wife) were home. We hid in the bedroom and called 911. Luckily the criminals left when they figured out we were home because it took the police 2 hours to show up! The 911 operator told my wife to ask the criminals what they wanted and ask if they were in the wrong apartment. There is nothing worse as a man to see your significant other hiding in a closet crying thinking their life is about to end. Needless to say I have ways of protecting my family now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, ArdmoreRyno said: But you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself. Nor should anyone else.... just because Gugny hasn't had anyone break into his home and he can kill a wild boar with a pocket knife. But wait there's more! I was at work and get a notification from my security system company that our downstairs motion detector had been triggered. I think it might be the cat but they ask if I want OPD to investigate. I say yes! They show up at 4am! 14 hours later. Never knocked, never did a security check. They looked in our windows and one cop says "the place doesn't look disheveled." Excuse me?? Maybe we're in the back bedroom dead on the floor. With that taxpayer funded security I'm taking my safety into my own hands. Took several weapons courses including home invasion. 3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Now you know at least one. I posted this story earlier in the thread, but to make a long story short a while back my apartment was broken into while me and my then gf (now wife) were home. We hid in the bedroom and called 911. Luckily the criminals left when they figured out we were home because it took the police 2 hours to show up! The 911 operator told my wife to ask the criminals what they wanted and ask if they were in the wrong apartment. There is nothing worse as a man to see your significant other hiding in a closet crying thinking their life is about to end. Needless to say I have ways of protecting my family now Two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm 51 years old and know exactly zero people who've had their house broken into. I like my odds. Let me continue to help you... https://www.al.com/news/2020/05/man-shot-to-death-in-madison-county.html https://www.goupstate.com/story/special/2020/05/12/home-intruder-killed-in-buffalo-shooting/41757181/ https://cityofhouston.news/suspect-arrested-charged-in-assault-at-3806-solo-street/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=suspect-arrested-charged-in-assault-at-3806-solo-street https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/nathan-edwards-fatally-shot-by-elderly-man-during-home-invasion https://www.foxnews.com/us/woman-shoots-male-intruder-toledo-children https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/08/fairfield-california-police-homeowner-fatal-intruder-invasion/ https://abc11.com/rhododendron-lane-break-in-man-shoots-home-invader/6918818/ I could do this ALL DAY LONG. But you haven't had it happen to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: I served in the US Army, competed nationally with the AR-15 platform, I now just do it locally and I hunt. You have absolutely NO CLUE what you are talking about when it comes to firearms and hunting. Zero. So why don't you stick to something you understand. This is something, you don't. Honestly, who gives a rat's ass about your military experience? That means LITERALLY nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: Honestly, who gives a rat's ass about your military experience? That means LITERALLY nothing. ok you should go ***** yourself. what a piece of ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Demongyz said: ok you should go ***** yourself. what a piece of ***** I'm a veteran, sweetheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Well, thanks for hating yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: Honestly, who gives a rat's ass about your military experience? That means LITERALLY nothing. You exclude the rest I see.. LOL My point? I am probably one of the best shooters you'll ever talk to online or offline. I was able to attend sniper school in the Army until they told me I'd have to go through 11C training (I was an 88M) to be allowed to attend. I've been ranked nationally with the AR-15. You skipped everything else I said. Not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, ArdmoreRyno said: You exclude the rest I see.. LOL My point? I am probably one of the best shooters you'll ever talk to online or offline. I was able to attend sniper school in the Army until they told me I'd have to go through 11C training (I was an 88M) to be allowed to attend. I've been ranked nationally with the AR-15. You skipped everything else I said. Not surprised. This is very badolish. Hmm. Anyhoo ... you can toot your horn as much and as loudly as you want. If you were that good, you'd be able to shoot an unarmed ***** animal in the heart with one shot. But you need to be able to fire a shot per second. Something's not adding up, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 I'm out for the day. My online arguing is over until 8:00 a.m. CST tomorrow. Take care and Go Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrW Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Same thing with knives or hell, hammers. 443 people were killed by hammers in 2019. That's more than killed by ALL rifles the same year. Well, that is a very manipulative use of statistics. According to FBI.gov, the numbers for 2020 are 455 for rifles and 393 for not only hammers, but blunt objects in general (clubs, hammers,...). And then there is a much larger group of 4863 murder victims killed by "firearms, type not stated". I am sure there are also some rifles hidden in this group. https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/ Edited May 16, 2022 by DrW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Has the kid been executed yet? Should have been done by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Honestly, who gives a rat's ass about your military experience? That means LITERALLY nothing. 2 minutes ago, Demongyz said: ok you should go ***** yourself. what a piece of ***** 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I'm a veteran, sweetheart. 1 minute ago, Demongyz said: Well, thanks for hating yourself. Well that escalated quickly. Unfortunately, as I mentioned to the gentleman earlier in the thread, this is how these types of discussions usually go which is why nothing ever gets resolved. There are extreme points of view on both sides of the aisle, and everyone has their heels dug in and not willing to budge. Somewhere in the middle might be some common ground common sense laws that could be enacted but we will never get there if both sides refuse to have respectful dialogue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Gugny said: This is very badolish. Hmm. Anyhoo ... you can toot your horn as much and as loudly as you want. If you were that good, you'd be able to shoot an unarmed ***** animal in the heart with one shot. But you need to be able to fire a shot per second. Something's not adding up, here. Again, you know zero about hunting. Lots of wild hogs stop to allow you to shoot them in the heart. Who cares about the ones who charge you while you're walking through the woods. You ever been to Oklahoma, Texas, etc? Hell, you have to carry when you hunt for f'ing morel mushrooms' because of the hog problems. My brother in law had a hog tusk go through his forearm AFTER he shot it (he was walking back from a deer stand when it charged him, he shot it once with a .45 and it continued to come after him). But you know better. Right? You're an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, KDIGGZ said: Well that escalated quickly. Unfortunately, as I mentioned to the gentleman earlier in the thread, this is how these types of discussions usually go which is why nothing ever gets resolved. There are extreme points of view on both sides of the aisle, and everyone has their heels dug in and not willing to budge. Somewhere in the middle might be some common ground common sense laws that could be enacted but we will never get there if both sides refuse to have respectful dialogue So you can look at the gun violence statistics in this country and honestly say that removing all semi-automatic weapons is extreme?? Common man. That's not extreme. It's logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Gugny said: So you can look at the gun violence statistics in this country and honestly say that removing all semi-automatic weapons is extreme?? Common man. That's not extreme. It's logical. Explain how'd you even begin to do that. A few things... 1. Most people would tell the government to f-off and 2. Most small town LEO and sheriff's in conservative states (like all of middle-America) would also tell the federal gov. to f-off. I know for a FACT, my county sheriff would never be part of a gun 'take back' program. So how are you going to take semi-auto firearms from people? Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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