Tommy Callahan Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I know some of our more brain dead posters are going to call me a warmonger or whatever, but hear me out. If Putin's current strategy works, and Russia keeps the ability to execute it after he dies... What incentive does the next Russian leader have to stop using it? Has the Russian army advanced past the disputed region? What's the strategy? We are probably working on another Alexie Navalny and western funded media site Edited February 17 by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 17 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I know some of our more brain dead posters are going to call me a warmonger or whatever, but hear me out. If Putin's current strategy works, and Russia keeps the ability to execute it after he dies... What incentive does the next Russian leader have to stop using it? His current strategy is working. Ukraine is at best just holding to a stalemate. They just lost a city and retreated. Hell Russia might not even want a peace agreement with how it’s going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Here’s a good analysis of how the F-16 could change the environment in Ukraine: The air war over Ukraine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 36 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: I know some of our more brain dead posters are going to call me a warmonger or whatever, but hear me out. If Putin's current strategy works, and Russia keeps the ability to execute it after he dies... What incentive does the next Russian leader have to stop using it? Is this the "Putin/Russia is going to start invading NATO countries" again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) Nice propaganda piece. F-16s firing 350-pound AIM-120s still are at a range disadvantage compared to MiG-31s firing R-37Ms. And Russia is using mig 31s all over Ukraine. Those voices said the same about cluster munitions, tanks, and what not. Almost like a military industrial commercial. Edited February 17 by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: except they have nukes. What happens if they fire the nukes? You’re talking about the end of the world Giving the Ukraine F-16’s raises that spectre, since they can carry nukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 28 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Here’s a good analysis of how the F-16 could change the environment in Ukraine: The air war over Ukraine We thought taking the super yachts would do it too lol. What happened to those things by the way? Wonder how much we’re paying to keep those babies docked up and maintained? And the private jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 The F-16 is not a game changer. It gives them more ability with older AMRAAM missiles and HARM. The problem is that the efficacy of air warfare depends on integrated deployment of a number of things. Jamming and other electronic warfare components are an integral part, and they don't have it. Russian anti air defenses are significant and capable. The F-16 would not do well against them, so must be kept out of range or low enough to avoid detection. That would limit effectiveness. It would limit Russian air offensive capabilities, but that isn't what they are doing. They are doing what Russians always do, which is ground stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: We thought taking the super yachts would do it too lol. What happened to those things by the way? Wonder how much we’re paying to keep those babies docked up and maintained? And the private jets? Who thought taking the super yachts would end the war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Who thought taking the super yachts would end the war? Lots of people. They thought it would turn the oligarchs against him and he’d back down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: Lots of people. They thought it would turn the oligarchs against him and he’d back down. I mean, there was a hope that it would cause friction with the oligarchs but there isn’t a “one weird trick” to end the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, aristocrat said: His current strategy is working. Ukraine is at best just holding to a stalemate. They just lost a city and retreated. Hell Russia might not even want a peace agreement with how it’s going. Right. So let's say Ukraine loses, and Russia swallows them up, but Putin dies. What incentives are their for his successor to aside Putin's toolkit, if it turns out it works? 4 hours ago, Doc said: Is this the "Putin/Russia is going to start invading NATO countries" again? Nope! Edited February 17 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 42 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Right. So let's say Ukraine loses, and Russia swallows them up, but Putin dies. What incentives are their for his successor to aside Putin's toolkit, if it turns out it works? Nope! Where are they going after Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coffeesforclosers Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Doc said: Where are they going after Ukraine? Growing BRICS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 53 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Growing BRICS? Probably Moldova. They already have their little green men there in Transnistria. Also, if Ukraine falls because the West fails to support it, that gives the green light to China, Iran, and even North Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Bidens supporters are the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 17 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Right. So let's say Ukraine loses, and Russia swallows them up, but Putin dies. What incentives are their for his successor to aside Putin's toolkit, if it turns out it works? Nope! none.but that’s not what I said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 13 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Probably Moldova. They already have their little green men there in Transnistria. Also, if Ukraine falls because the West fails to support it, that gives the green light to China, Iran, and even North Korea. So the fate of the world and human civilizations is dependent on the outcome of the conflict in Ukraine? A place on Earth no American cared about until a few years ago. Thst's one possibility but I could generate lots of other potential outcomes most of which are more plausible. I recall previous experts issuing similiiar dire warnings in the Vietnam era. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: So the fate of the world and human civilizations is dependent on the outcome of the conflict in Ukraine? A place on Earth no American cared about until a few years ago. Thst's one possibility but I could generate lots of other potential outcomes most of which are more plausible. I recall previous experts issuing similiiar dire warnings in the Vietnam era. Vietnam isn't bordering European NATO nations. interesting that the right was pro vietnam war and the left anti vietnam on the population level. For Ukraine, it's flipped. Edited February 18 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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