ChiGoose Posted Saturday at 01:07 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:07 PM 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Did those conflicts start under Obama, take a break under Trump and restart under Biden? Do you honestly believe that Putin was too scared of the guy who trusts him more than the US and says we shouldn’t necessarily defend our allies and wanted to pull out of NATO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted Saturday at 01:10 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:10 PM 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: Do you honestly believe that Putin was too scared of the guy who trusts him more than the US and says we shouldn’t necessarily defend our allies and wanted to pull out of NATO? Yes I do. Because he, unlike Dems, knew what Trump meant with the NATO threats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted Saturday at 01:45 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:45 PM 34 minutes ago, Doc said: Yes I do. Because he, unlike Dems, knew what Trump meant with the NATO threats. “The guy who hates NATO and supplicants himself before Putin would absolutely have defended NATO in a hot war against Putin” is quite the take. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted Saturday at 01:46 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:46 PM 35 minutes ago, Doc said: Yes I do. Because he, unlike Dems, knew what Trump meant with the NATO threats. They parrot some busted logic on this one. Big time. But then again. It's the MSNBC script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted Saturday at 01:48 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:48 PM Captain Eyerolls coming in with his usual script. Talking points locked in. Brain turned off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted Saturday at 01:49 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:49 PM The Friggin King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted Saturday at 01:58 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:58 PM 12 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: “The guy who hates NATO and supplicants himself before Putin would absolutely have defended NATO in a hot war against Putin” is quite the take. Hates NATO. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted Saturday at 03:31 PM Share Posted Saturday at 03:31 PM 15 hours ago, ChiGoose said: We probably have the most anti-China posture that we’ve had in decades. Darn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted Sunday at 05:04 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:04 PM Bad news. While we rarely hear it being mentioned in the legacy media or the White House press briefing room, the situation on the front lines of the war in Ukraine is not currently looking good for Zelenski's forces. Even with a fresh round of funding and military supplies arriving from the United States, the Russian army has been punishingly effective recently, particularly in the eastern parts of the country. Putin's forces have stepped up their use of drones and aerial glide bombs such as the FAB-500 bombs launched from Su-34 bomber aircraft and employed them to devastating effect against Ukraine's soldiers and military vehicles. In a rare interview with one Ukrainian front-line commander, the Associated Press reveals that it's often not even safe for them to pull back and try to regroup in the face of the Russian advance. They have no ability to counter these types of attacks and the Russians can reach well beyond the poorly defined front lines. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-fortifications-8a72981dfdb755de6f8011b13f4d062e . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted Sunday at 05:13 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:13 PM On 5/4/2024 at 9:45 AM, ChiGoose said: “The guy who hates NATO and supplicants himself before Putin would absolutely have defended NATO in a hot war against Putin” is quite the take. You understand he hated the countries that weren’t paying their fare share right? Then they started paying up cause they were called out. This strengthening NATO. But you knew that 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted yesterday at 03:36 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:36 AM 10 hours ago, aristocrat said: You understand he hated the countries that weren’t paying their fare share right? Then they started paying up cause they were called out. This strengthening NATO. But you knew that Oh yeah, the guy who wants to pull out of NATO actually supports NATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted yesterday at 05:30 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:30 AM 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: Oh yeah, the guy who wants to pull out of NATO actually supports NATO. The pretzels they twist themselves into, for a criminal imbecile, never cease to amaze. Not much has changed despite concrete evidence he's a crook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted yesterday at 10:14 AM Share Posted yesterday at 10:14 AM 4 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: The pretzels they twist themselves into, for a criminal imbecile, never cease to amaze. Not much has changed despite concrete evidence he's a crook. Trump used negotiating tactics and leverage to get other nations to meet their financial commitments. Threats of withdrawing where part of it. Something all previous US administration's would not do. And he examined the nature of the NATO alliance and determined it was a losing arrangement. His mistake was being naive to think it was a simple defense arrangement. Although it originally was, its evolved into a vehicle to enable the US military and political powers to remain in control of Europe. I'd argue Europe has no major policies or views that are out of alignment with US interests and have sacrificed the interests of their continent, nations, and citizens to tow the line with Washington. While Russia is certainly a bad actor there are advantages to Europe to economically integrate with Russia but the US canot let that happen for strategic reasons. In regard to funding, European officials must have been puzzled by Trump's naive demand they pay more to allow America to control them. 80 years after WW2 and some 30 years after the fall of the Soviet Union and the Warwaw Pact, Europe should be fully capable of defending themselves from whatever trouble they might find themselves in without our "help". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted yesterday at 11:29 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:29 AM People going nuts that Israel banned aljezera. Same people support war in Ukraine after Ukraine banned anything but state media while declaring martial law a few years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted yesterday at 05:09 PM Share Posted yesterday at 05:09 PM Send the people online stumping for it then . No for real. Eff this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: Send the people online stumping for it then . No for real. Eff this Demented Biden has screwed the pooch on all foreign policy. What a mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 10 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Trump used negotiating tactics and leverage to get other nations to meet their financial commitments. Threats of withdrawing where part of it. Something all previous US administration's would not do. And he examined the nature of the NATO alliance and determined it was a losing arrangement. His mistake was being naive to think it was a simple defense arrangement. Although it originally was, its evolved into a vehicle to enable the US military and political powers to remain in control of Europe. I'd argue Europe has no major policies or views that are out of alignment with US interests and have sacrificed the interests of their continent, nations, and citizens to tow the line with Washington. While Russia is certainly a bad actor there are advantages to Europe to economically integrate with Russia but the US canot let that happen for strategic reasons. In regard to funding, European officials must have been puzzled by Trump's naive demand they pay more to allow America to control them. 80 years after WW2 and some 30 years after the fall of the Soviet Union and the Warwaw Pact, Europe should be fully capable of defending themselves from whatever trouble they might find themselves in without our "help". There are nations still not meeting their commitments, it wasn't a magical fix. Europe would whoop Russia even without the US but it would be long and costly and crush the world economy. Also nukes throw the whole equation into flux. Slightly off topic from your post... I'll tell you Eastern European nations are expecting war. Poland has been prepping for imminent escalation for over a year. They may just be doing this to mitigate the impact of a sudden, unexpected attack but it's definitely happening. Polands army is considerably better trained and armed than Ukraines. If you start hearing Russia ramp up negative sentiment against Poles, like suddenly Russia accuses them of having a Nazi problem, then this war will get a lot bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 1 minute ago, L Ron Burgundy said: There are nations still not meeting their commitments, it wasn't a magical fix. Anything being done about it? Does The Big Guy have a plan? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: Anything being done about it? Does The Big Guy have a plan? Oh look you said big guy and that got the monkeys excited! Almost as excited they get when they regurgitate any story reflecting negatively on Ukraine. Oh how i envy the simple-minded. I don't know what Joe's plan is in terms of getting members to spend more. I do hope he does something. Not threatening to not help Nato members if attacked, I'm not an imbecile, but certainly he has economic and diplomatic levers at his disposal. They'll regret it if there's escalation that's for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 3 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Oh look you said big guy and that got the monkeys excited! Almost as excited they get when they regurgitate any story reflecting negatively on Ukraine. Oh how i envy the simple-minded. I don't know what Joe's plan is in terms of getting members to spend more. I do hope he does something. Not threatening to not help Nato members if attacked, I'm not an imbecile, but certainly he has economic and diplomatic levers at his disposal. They'll regret it if there's escalation that's for certain. You seem triggered. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: You seem triggered. Apologies. Awe you've been waiting for that haven't you? Feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 47 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Awe you've been waiting for that haven't you? Feel better? Very triggered tbh. All my best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Oh look you said big guy and that got the monkeys excited! Almost as excited they get when they regurgitate any story reflecting negatively on Ukraine. Oh how i envy the simple-minded. I don't know what Joe's plan is in terms of getting members to spend more. I do hope he does something. Not threatening to not help Nato members if attacked, I'm not an imbecile, but certainly he has economic and diplomatic levers at his disposal. They'll regret it if there's escalation that's for certain. So in 2014 3 countries contributed the 2 percent. Now it’s 18 and the rest have plans to get there. So it worked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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