Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Westside]

29 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

History is a guide here? What if Putin is as crazy as many people say. Then the weapons we are sending, that are destroying his army, could send the mad man over the edge, correct? Or you don't agree? 

 

This policy right now, Biden's policy, could get us all killed in WW3, right? 

 

But Vietnam...🤨

Maybe we should have sat this one out. Let russia invade, just sit around and watch. 
We should have sat this out right tibs?

[Tiberius]

11 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

By this logic anything could set him off,  

Yes. Exactly. 

3 minutes ago, Westside said:

Maybe we should have sat this one out. Let russia invade, just sit around and watch. 
We should have sat this out right tibs?

Hell no! 

[Chef Jim]

Hey…don’t kill the messenger. 
 

https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPd5s6x4H/

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

History is a guide here? What if Putin is as crazy as many people say. Then the weapons we are sending, that are destroying his army, could send the mad man over the edge, correct? Or you don't agree? 

 

This policy right now, Biden's policy, could get us all killed in WW3, right? 

 

But Vietnam...🤨

Putin isn't crazy.  That characterization is marketing and messaging.  He's a cold, calculating, ruthless, sociopath.  But so are most of the people running policy in the U.S. neocon & neoliberal war machine.  Guys like Lindsay Graham.  He's been almost invisible for 5 years and suddenly when a war gets started, he awakens from his coffin to advocate for war and violence. 

 

When I watch what's going on here, I sometimes imagine how the world would look without leaders?  After all, I've got no quarrel with the average working man and woman in Ukraine, or Russia. or China, or Iran, or anywhere in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter.  They likely feel the same way.  It seems like it's the leaders that have problems with each other.  Why not just let them do pistols at 12 paces and settle it without having the commit the lives and blood of the rest of us?  Or just collectively decide to get rid of them all?

[BillStime]

 

[Tiberius]

13 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Putin isn't crazy.  That characterization is marketing and messaging.  He's a cold, calculating, ruthless, sociopath.  But so are most of the people running policy in the U.S. neocon & neoliberal war machine.  Guys like Lindsay Graham.  He's been almost invisible for 5 years and suddenly when a war gets started, he awakens from his coffin to advocate for war and violence. 

 

When I watch what's going on here, I sometimes imagine how the world would look without leaders?  After all, I've got no quarrel with the average working man and woman in Ukraine, or Russia. or China, or Iran, or anywhere in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter.  They likely feel the same way.  It seems like it's the leaders that have problems with each other.  Why not just let them do pistols at 12 paces and settle it without having the commit the lives and blood of the rest of us?  Or just collectively decide to get rid of them all?

He isn't a crazy sociopath? 

 

The real problem is our leaders? 

 

Ok

[Niagara Bill]

14 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Putin isn't crazy.  That characterization is marketing and messaging.  He's a cold, calculating, ruthless, sociopath.  But so are most of the people running policy in the U.S. neocon & neoliberal war machine.  Guys like Lindsay Graham.  He's been almost invisible for 5 years and suddenly when a war gets started, he awakens from his coffin to advocate for war and violence. 

 

When I watch what's going on here, I sometimes imagine how the world would look without leaders?  After all, I've got no quarrel with the average working man and woman in Ukraine, or Russia. or China, or Iran, or anywhere in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter.  They likely feel the same way.  It seems like it's the leaders that have problems with each other.  Why not just let them do pistols at 12 paces and settle it without having the commit the lives and blood of the rest of us?  Or just collectively decide to get rid of them all?

IMAGINE ALL THE PEOPLE LIVING LIFE IN PEACE. 

YOU MAY SAY I AM A DREAMER, BUT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE.

[Chef Jim]

29 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

IMAGINE ALL THE PEOPLE LIVING LIFE IN PEACE. 

YOU MAY SAY I AM A DREAMER, BUT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE.

***** hippies. 🙄

[Tiberius]

Recently photos surfaced on social media of a roughly four-foot-wide tan, airplane-shaped drone that had fallen out of the sky in the Kyiv region, crashing into the sandy ground.

While that one failed to explode on impact, the images verified by The Washington Post provide some of the first evidence Russia is using a new and terrifying weapon in its war against Ukraine: a killer drone that can dive bomb into targets, destroying them with little notice.

The Russian kamikaze drones, also known as loitering munitions, will soon be joined on the battlefield by ones sent to Ukrainian forces by the United States, making the war the largest direct conflict between two countries in which they’ve been deployed on both sides. Researchers who specialize in the field say it shows that these drones are becoming the norm in modern warfare, and are likely to make the conflict more deadly and unpredictable.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/24/loitering-drone-ukraine/

[Warcodered]

 

I almost forgot about J.K. Rowling invading a sovereign nation and committing war crimes.

[Coffeesforclosers]

Hi-Larious.  So now that that the Russian offensive to seize Mikolayiv/Odessa has failed, and Ukrainian counter attacks are rolling it, back.  And now that the Russian offensive to seize Kyiv has failed, and Ukrainian counter attacks are rolling it back (and threatening to ***** ENCIRCLE Russian troops in a pocket around Bucha and Hostomel)...

Tsar Vladimir the Insane has decided all this was just about "liberating" the Donbass, and Russia's going to focus on "liberating" the Donbass. 

When in doubt, move the goal posts.

 

In other news, Ukraine's stated that the reason why they didn't believe our intelligence that an invasion was imminent, was because they had penetrated the Russian army and saw 0 evidence of preparation on the tactical level.  So because Russian units were utterly unprepared for offensive operations, the Ukrainians thought we were overhyping a Russian bluff.  That's why they didn't start mobilizing until 24 hours prior to the offensive starting. 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

21 hours ago, Tiberius said:

History is a guide here? What if Putin is as crazy as many people say. Then the weapons we are sending, that are destroying his army, could send the mad man over the edge, correct? Or you don't agree? 

 

This policy right now, Biden's policy, could get us all killed in WW3, right? 

...

So if I understand you correctly this mad man doesn’t know that the President of the United States just went to Europe to rally the world around crushing his army in Ukraine and his economy at home? Did the sanctions cut off his cable subscription?

[TSOL]

I'm pretty worried about what Putin may do if he's perceived as losing this war. 

[Tiberius]

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So if I understand you correctly this mad man doesn’t know that the President of the United States just went to Europe to rally the world around crushing his army in Ukraine and his economy at home? Did the sanctions cut off his cable subscription?

No, he does know, and therefore this policy we are doing will lead to end of civilization. 

 

Right? 

5 minutes ago, TSOL said:

I'm pretty worried about what Putin may do if he's perceived as losing this war. 

The wounded bear 

[sherpa]

5 minutes ago, TSOL said:

I'm pretty worried about what Putin may do if he's perceived as losing this war. 

 

That's why, as unpalatable as it seems, he has to be allowed to get out without complete defeat.

That's the unfortunate thing about someone who is capable of a scorched earth program.

 

The single best thing that can get this over is the continued deterioration on the Russian domestic front.

[Tiberius]

 

[SoCal Deek]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, he does know, and therefore this policy we are doing will lead to end of civilization. 

 

 

Tibs….I’m not sure where you’re going with any of this but I respect your heartfelt desire to go there. 

[TSOL]

6 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

That's why, as unpalatable as it seems, he has to be allowed to get out without complete defeat.

That's the unfortunate thing about someone who is capable of a scorched earth program.

 

The single best thing that can get this over is the continued deterioration on the Russian domestic front.

 

 

He didn't start this as a short term thing, and he's not going allow Russia to be perceived as weak. 

 

We all should be very concerned 

[sherpa]

4 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

He didn't start this as a short term thing, and he's not going allow Russia to be perceived as weak. 

 

We all should be very concerned 

 

I think he definitely thought this would be a short term military effort, and that is proven by food, fuel and clothing supplies to his attack force, as well as never fully employing his significant air capability.

He might not want Russia to be perceived as weak, but that ship has sailed.

I saw something today that if the status quo extends, the Russian economy will decline 50% year over year.

If that happened anywhere else as the result of a voluntary military fiasco there would be blood in the streets.

 

His invasion has exposed a number of things, and already resulted in domestic cracks evidenced by protests, house arrests of planners and firing significant leadership, as well as unification of NATO and tempting others to join.

 

He is screwed, but because he has what he has in reserve, he must be provided a way out, unless there is some kind of internal military revolt.

[Tiberius]

Nice