All_Pro_Bills Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Does not make any sense at all. You guys do the anti-war act, yet the cost is the enslavement of a free people. So ya, you complaining about us supporting a free nation in their defense of liberty is an indirect support of Putin. You yourself have complained about democracy. So seeing us defend freedom, liberty and a republic would not be in your interests, it seems The voices that have come out in praise of Putin kind of give the game away, also All your tugging at the heart strings and drama aside, the hard cold facts are its not worth spending $100+ billion of borrowed funds and committing to some undefined open-ended goal and objective "doing whatever it takes" while this administration ignores all kinds of problems and needs here at home. And strategically the country means nothing nor does it have any impact on the US homeland in terms of security. The objective to weaken Russia is not going to result in regime change or destroy the Russian economy. Washington's policies have drawn China and Russia, and other economic and military adversaries closer together then they could have accomplished on their own. On all fronts its a strategic blunder. America will exit another frivolous foreign adventure weaker. Count on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: All your tugging at the heart strings and drama aside, the hard cold facts are its not worth spending $100+ billion of borrowed funds and committing to some undefined open-ended goal and objective "doing whatever it takes" while this administration ignores all kinds of problems and needs here at home. Why? It's military money and a fraction of what we spent in the Middle East. 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: And strategically the country means nothing nor does it have any impact on the US homeland in terms of security. The objective to weaken Russia is not going to result in regime change or destroy the Russian economy. Washington's policies have drawn China and Russia, and other economic and military adversaries closer together then they could have accomplished on their own. On all fronts its a strategic blunder. America will exit another frivolous foreign adventure weaker. Count on it. China's "peace plan" was soundly rejected today. Xi doesn't want to support Russia either. Which countries are "drawn together?" Edited February 28, 2023 by Roundybout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: regime change Does Putin have a future whatsoever given what he is doing to Ukraine? And why is the cult obsessed with regime change? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 When you have to say it. . . . . . . . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 18 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: All your tugging at the heart strings and drama aside, the hard cold facts are its not worth spending $100+ billion of borrowed funds and committing to some undefined open-ended goal and objective "doing whatever it takes" while this administration ignores all kinds of problems and needs here at home. And strategically the country means nothing nor does it have any impact on the US homeland in terms of security. The objective to weaken Russia is not going to result in regime change or destroy the Russian economy. Washington's policies have drawn China and Russia, and other economic and military adversaries closer together then they could have accomplished on their own. On all fronts its a strategic blunder. America will exit another frivolous foreign adventure weaker. Count on it. Oh, now its about the money! Ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Crimea has been predominantly Russian for a long time before this war. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, TSOL said: Crimea has been predominantly Russian for a long time before this war. Yup .. what the media, and their willing sheep don’t realize.. Crimea & Donbas are far more complicated then most believe. Russia obviously crossed the line (after US/West constantly provoked them) but they’ve been warring over those territories for a while now, and most who live in those places identify as Russian. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 8 hours ago, SCBills said: Yup .. what the media, and their willing sheep don’t realize.. Crimea & Donbas are far more complicated then most believe. Russia obviously crossed the line (after US/West constantly provoked them) but they’ve been warring over those territories for a while now, and most who live in those places identify as Russian. Warning: Attempting to objectively understand the history and things like the ethnic and cultural composition of Crimea will get you labeled as a Putin sympathizer. You're supposed to believe everything you're told, not do too much thinking, and certainly not question any of it. Interestingly Crimea was a territory of Greece known as Tauris before becoming part of the Roman Empire about 60 BC. Dominion over the province was transferred from empire to empire until it fell under Russia about 180 years ago. Then in 1954 former Soviet Premier Kryschev transferred sovereignty to the Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic. After the fall of the Soviet Union the province gained some degree of independence but then came under the control of the Ukrainian central government while still having some degree of autonomy. Then came the Maiden riots, the Russian invasion and here we are. A recent referendum of citizens voted overwhelming to become part of Russia again although we know with 100% confidence the election was rigged. We know this because the same people that told us all the elections they win in our country are fair told us so. Another tip: Don't question election results when the "good" guys win and the "bad" guys lose (but when the results go the other way please do question the results). Just remember the main theme here. Believe everything you're told and don't question anything. The establishment thanks you for your obedience. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 9 hours ago, SCBills said: lots of folks doubt russian elections. but they had one and seemed to show overwhelming Russian support in that region. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 👆😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 It’s amazing - all of this LOVE for Russia started in 2016. I wonder why… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 The human story behind the headline of a Ukrainian pilot losing his life trying to avoid crashing into a village. Four minute youtube.with actual footage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Attempting to objectively understand the history JFC - please stop - you have rewritten history a million times here and run away every time you get called out. idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 9 hours ago, SCBills said: after US/West constantly provoked them Yeah I can’t believe the US/West is at fault for Mr KGB’s well known plans to restore the pre-1917 Russian empire. What a good little simp you are, Comrade! America First! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yeah I can’t believe the US/West is at fault for Mr KGB’s well known plans to restore the pre-1917 Russian empire. What a good little simp you are, Comrade! America First! Maybe they go back even further and old Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his vision of the Turkish/ottoman empire comes to fruition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Maybe they go back even further and old Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his vision of the Turkish/ottoman empire comes to fruition? And you would still blame the US. America First! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, BillStime said: And you would still blame the US. America First! Blame America? And America first in response to war in Ukraine? shouldn't it be Ukraine first? democracy first? peace first? But eff it. wave the American flag. while the bombs fall and bullets fly. its not americans dying, amirite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, Chris farley said: Blame America? And America first in response to war in Ukraine? shouldn't it be Ukraine first? democracy first? peace first? But eff it. wave the American flag. while the bombs fall and bullets fly. its not americans dying, amirite. And you would still blame the US. #DRproud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, BillStime said: JFC - please stop - you have rewritten history a million times here and run away every time you get called out. idiots You're a good company man always consistently obedient to the system and the tales they tell. What exactly did I re-write? As for being called out, by who? You? To be straight about it I don't see much value in committing any more of my time to getting into a long back and forth with you because while I'm willing to adjust or change my views in debating and discussing topics you are definitely not. So what's the point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You're a good company man always consistently obedient to the system and the tales they tell. What exactly did I re-write? As for being called out, by who? You? To be straight about it I don't see much value in committing any more of my time to getting into a long back and forth with you because while I'm willing to adjust or change my views in debating and discussing topics you are definitely not. So what's the point? Perfect - let’s start here: On 2/26/2023 at 5:38 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: Jack Smith has a history of being a Clinton attack dog, so the characterization has merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 57 minutes ago, BillStime said: 👆😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 It’s amazing - all of this LOVE for Russia started in 2016. I wonder why… Heads up, Incoming projection of things he wishes were true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 minute ago, TSOL said: Heads up, Incoming projection of things he wishes were true True or false? Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine Trumps Directed Change To Party Platform On Ukraine Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, TSOL said: Heads up, Incoming projection of things he wishes were true And like clockwork it replied with just that. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 59 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yeah I can’t believe the US/West is at fault for Mr KGB’s well known plans to restore the pre-1917 Russian empire. What a good little simp you are, Comrade! America First! Obviously you read where I posted that Russia went too far… Its hilarious to me that the West is all “oh heavens me.. how did this happen!?” when we basically dared them to do it for years. Guess what … we probably wanted them to. This proxy war is gold for the MIC and all the politicians who benefit from their coffers … but I’m sure we only have the best of intentions - surely our track record speaks of our benevolence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, BillStime said: True or false? Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine Trumps Directed Change To Party Platform On Ukraine Support I don't know what you're talking about little kid, but I like you, you're crazy but I like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, TSOL said: I don't know what you're talking about little kid, but I like you, you're crazy but I like you. 👆🤡 Classic idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I’m old enough to remember when Barry was caught on a hot microphone promising Russia that he’d make ACTUAL back room deals with Putin. But maybe I’m the only one old enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, BillStime said: 👆🤡 Classic idiots I'm not totally seeing the connection between Trump and the Ukraine war. Maybe you could provide more links to clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I’m old enough to remember when Hillary pushed the big red reset button in a pledge to be all cozy with the Putin regime. But maybe I’m the only one old enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m old enough to remember when Barry was caught on a hot microphone promising Russia that he’d make ACTUAL back room deals with Putin. But maybe I’m the only one old enough. Definitely sounds like BACK-ROOM DEALS in the making: Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space." Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…" Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility." Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir." Meanwhile: Did Obama change his party platform to favor RUSSIA in 2012? Did Obama favor RUSSIAN intelligence over his own? Did Obama share classified documents with RUSSIANS in the Oval Office? Did Obama try to destroy the credibility of NATO? Did Obama hand over Syria on a platter to Putin? Did Obama tell Putin he could have Crimea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, BillStime said: Definitely sounds like BACK-ROOM DEALS in the making: Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space." Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…" Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility." Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir." Meanwhile: Did Obama change his party platform to favor RUSSIA in 2012? Did Obama favor RUSSIAN intelligence over his own? Did Obama share classified documents with RUSSIANS in the Oval Office? Did Obama try to destroy the credibility of NATO? Did Obama hand over Syria on a platter to Putin? Did Obama tell Putin he could have Crimea? You crack me up! Keep selling that Trump hate. We need you on that wall. 👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m old enough to remember when Barry was caught on a hot microphone promising Russia that he’d make ACTUAL back room deals with Putin. But maybe I’m the only one old enough. Yeah but that was totally on the up-and-up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 9 hours ago, SCBills said: This was informative, but not in the way you intended. The first entity to say Keir Simmons was put on a hit list is Russia Today. A news corporation financed directly from Russian Government revenues. The only entities reporting Russia Today's "hit list" story are twitter accounts and susbtack authors. Like the twitter account and substack you posted. kanekoa happily retweets Michael Flynn, without commentary or analysis. So your source retweets Russia Today and Michael Flynn uncritically, while adding subtle digs that align with RT propaganda. This isn't earth shaking information. This isn't investigative journalism. This is literally how message amplification propaganda works, step-by-step. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m old enough to remember when Barry was caught on a hot microphone promising Russia that he’d make ACTUAL back room deals with Putin. But maybe I’m the only one old enough. Yes he did. To paraphrase what he told Putin "After the election it will be easier to deal". But as a member of the protected political class, Obama is untouchable. And of course people employed and compensated to provide muscle to the protected political class will deny this and attack anyone that suggests this truth. These people are typically members of an Army of lower level political operatives and media flunkies that are experts at manipulating words and language while making decent 6 figure wages doing hatchet jobs on ordinary citizens or skeptics. There attacks just reinforce and proves the point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Russian collusion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Yes he did. To paraphrase what he told Putin "After the election it will be easier to deal". But as a member of the protected political class, Obama is untouchable. And of course people employed and compensated to provide muscle to the protected political class will deny this and attack anyone that suggests this truth. These people are typically members of an Army of lower level political operatives and media flunkies that are experts at manipulating words and language while making decent 6 figure wages doing hatchet jobs on ordinary citizens or skeptics. There attacks just reinforce and proves the point. 👆🤡👇 On 2/26/2023 at 5:38 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: Jack Smith has a history of being a Clinton attack dog, so the characterization has merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: This was informative, but not in the way you intended. The first entity to say Keir Simmons was put on a hit list is Russia Today. A news corporation financed directly from Russian Government revenues. The only entities reporting Russia Today's "hit list" story are twitter accounts and susbtack authors. Like the twitter account and substack you posted. kanekoa happily retweets Michael Flynn, without commentary or analysis. So your source retweets Russia Today and Michael Flynn uncritically, while adding subtle digs that align with RT propaganda. This isn't earth shaking information. This isn't investigative journalism. This is literally how message amplification propaganda works, step-by-step. It was verified to be on that Ukrainian govt linked website. I’ll counter you with this … What media is going to report that? Western media? They can’t even tell us the truth about the complexities of Crimea or the Donbas.. Zelenskyy targeting his political opponents .. The actual presence of Nazi’s in different govt linked battalions .. The corruption in that country. None of that absolves Russia from a full scale invasion, but actual criticisms of Ukraine are suppressed and we are given pro-Ukraine propaganda nonstop. Yet you apparently need CNN to verify so you don’t need to do any research yourself? Just let them tell you what you want to hear, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 21 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah but that was totally on the up-and-up. And then….poof….Crimea became part of Russia, while Barry stood by and did nothing. Funny how that worked out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 38 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Yes he did. To paraphrase what he told Putin "After the election it will be easier to deal". But as a member of the protected political class, Obama is untouchable. And of course people employed and compensated to provide muscle to the protected political class will deny this and attack anyone that suggests this truth. These people are typically members of an Army of lower level political operatives and media flunkies that are experts at manipulating words and language while making decent 6 figure wages doing hatchet jobs on ordinary citizens or skeptics. There attacks just reinforce and proves the point. Dumb 34 minutes ago, Doc said: Russian collusion... Russian imperialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 34 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Dumb Can't get the bat off your shoulder to swing at this one. Because its true. Which NGO are you working for? 1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said: This was informative, but not in the way you intended. The first entity to say Keir Simmons was put on a hit list is Russia Today. A news corporation financed directly from Russian Government revenues. The only entities reporting Russia Today's "hit list" story are twitter accounts and susbtack authors. Like the twitter account and substack you posted. kanekoa happily retweets Michael Flynn, without commentary or analysis. So your source retweets Russia Today and Michael Flynn uncritically, while adding subtle digs that align with RT propaganda. This isn't earth shaking information. This isn't investigative journalism. This is literally how message amplification propaganda works, step-by-step. So you're saying NBC is employing Russian propagandists? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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