Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Hopefully.

 

U.S. Intel: ‘Everyone Is Sensing the End Is Near’ for Putin.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/06/02/u-s-intel-everyone-is-sensing-the-end-is-near-for-putin-n1602735

 

 

 

 

 

Yesterday you were cheering “Ukrainian troops retreat from Sievierodonetsk” - now you’re telling us the end is near for Putin; hopefully. 
 

Make up your mind Bonnie 

[BillStime]

Pathetic pos

 

 

[ALF]

Ukraine will not use US missile systems against Russian targets, says Blinken

 

U.S. officials agreed to send the HIMARS only after their Ukrainian counterparts promised that the weapons would not be used against forces inside Russia, even if Putin was using weapons inside Russia to fire at them.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2022/06/latest-ukraine-arms-package-includes-himars-mi-17s-and-thousands-artillery-rounds/367620/

 

The transfer of four M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, commonly known as HIMARS, to Ukraine will come soon, and will require about three additional weeks to train Ukrainian forces to use them, said Colin Kahl, the undersecretary of defense for policy.

 

The weapons, deployed by the U.S. military to target militants during wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria, will allow Ukrainian forces to rapidly and precisely launch multiple rockets at Russian artillery and forces.

 

The satellite-guided weapons, launched from the back of a truck, will be the most advanced arms provided to Ukraine by the Biden administration since Russia’s Feb. 24 invasion. Ukrainian officials had been requesting them for about two months without approval, prompting frustration in both Kyiv and Washington.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/01/himars-rockets-longrange-ukraine-biden/

Edited June 3, 2022 by ALF

[ALF]

14 hours ago, Doc said:

Putin wouldn't dare attack the US.  He can't even take over Ukraine.

 

Would be against NATO , conventional no , if Putin loses his mind then nuclear would be his option. I doubt if Russian military would allow "mutual assured destruction, principle of deterrence founded on the notion that a nuclear attack by one superpower would be met with an overwhelming nuclear counterattack such that both the attacker and the defender would be annihilated."

[Tiberius]

Russian President Vladimir Putin is digging in for a long war of attrition over Ukraine and will be relentless in trying to use economic weapons, such as a blockade of Ukrainian grain exports, to whittle away Western support for Kyiv, according to members of Russia’s economic elite.

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The Kremlin has seized on recent signs of hesitancy by some European governments as an indication the West could lose focus in seeking to counter Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, especially as global energy costs surge following the imposition of sanctions on Moscow.

Putin “believes the West will become exhausted,” said one well-connected Russian billionaire, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution. Putin had not expected the West’s initially strong and united response, “but now he is trying to reshape the situation and he believes that in the longer term he will win,” the billionaire said. Western leaders are vulnerable to election cycles, and “he believes public opinion can flip in one day.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/03/russia-putin-economy-attrition-war/

[ALF]

The world hates Putin and will not change while he is still in power. He would have to give back and repair all damage to Ukraine and that will not happen.

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

The world hates Putin and will not change while he is still in power. He would have to give back and repair all damage to Ukraine and that will not happen.

Putin is counting on creating a migrant crisis in Europe so the right gets more pro-Putin people in power 

[All_Pro_Bills]

35 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Putin is counting on creating a migrant crisis in Europe so the right gets more pro-Putin people in power 

Putin's objecitve, and Xi's too, is to end the uni-polar world order where Washington gives the orders and everybody else follows the rules.  Or else!  Now I'm not complaining about the current system because as citizens of the Empire we derive enormous benefits from the arrangement.  But that's how the world currently operates.    

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Putin's objecitve, and Xi's too, is to end the uni-polar world order where Washington gives the orders and everybody else follows the rules.  Or else!  Now I'm not complaining about the current system because as citizens of the Empire we derive enormous benefits from the arrangement.  But that's how the world currently operates.    

It's the new Cold War 

[TSOL]

7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Putin's objecitve, and Xi's too, is to end the uni-polar world order where Washington gives the orders and everybody else follows the rules.  Or else!  Now I'm not complaining about the current system because as citizens of the Empire we derive enormous benefits from the arrangement.  But that's how the world currently operates.    

Let's try to keep it that way. 

F Russia 

F China 

F Iran 

 

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

4 hours ago, ALF said:

Ukraine will not use US missile systems against Russian targets, says Blinken

 

U.S. officials agreed to send the HIMARS only after their Ukrainian counterparts promised that the weapons would not be used against forces inside Russia, even if Putin was using weapons inside Russia to fire at them.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2022/06/latest-ukraine-arms-package-includes-himars-mi-17s-and-thousands-artillery-rounds/367620/

 

The transfer of four M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, commonly known as HIMARS, to Ukraine will come soon, and will require about three additional weeks to train Ukrainian forces to use them, said Colin Kahl, the undersecretary of defense for policy.

 

The weapons, deployed by the U.S. military to target militants during wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria, will allow Ukrainian forces to rapidly and precisely launch multiple rockets at Russian artillery and forces.

 

The satellite-guided weapons, launched from the back of a truck, will be the most advanced arms provided to Ukraine by the Biden administration since Russia’s Feb. 24 invasion. Ukrainian officials had been requesting them for about two months without approval, prompting frustration in both Kyiv and Washington.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/01/himars-rockets-longrange-ukraine-biden/

 

Good for Ukraine. Artillery is what's keeping Russia going, and Ukraine should get an answer for it.  

 

As for Putin, he's fighting a war that the West can participate in just by printing money and selling weapons. No troops, no casualties, just printing money and selling weapons. Doesnt strike me as smart if hes gambling that the West will get sick of printing money and selling weapons. 

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Putin's objecitve, and Xi's too, is to end the uni-polar world order where Washington gives the orders and everybody else follows the rules.  Or else!  Now I'm not complaining about the current system because as citizens of the Empire we derive enormous benefits from the arrangement.  But that's how the world currently operates.    

 

There's a ton of people who shout loudly about how they are !American Nationalists!...but they cant seem to wrap their heads around this point.

 

We built the modern global system because we used to be 50% of the global economy and the only country with the A Bomb. Aka because we won so hard we almost got sick of winning. But ya know, burn it all down because rabblerabble. 

Edited June 3, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers

[Tiberius]

 

[Niagara Bill]

10 hours ago, ALF said:

The world hates Putin and will not change while he is still in power. He would have to give back and repair all damage to Ukraine and that will not happen.

Not every one...DJT has some favorable thoughts

[TSOL]

2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Not every one...DJT has some favorable thoughts

 

 

Oh you cheeky monkey, you 

Edited June 4, 2022 by TSOL

[OrangeBills]

11 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Putin's objecitve, and Xi's too, is to end the uni-polar world order where Washington gives the orders and everybody else follows the rules.  Or else!  Now I'm not complaining about the current system because as citizens of the Empire we derive enormous benefits from the arrangement.  But that's how the world currently operates.    

 

We're going on a 2-3 year Global Psy-Op/Kinetic War that we completely fell for....

[Tiberius]

Been seeing reports of a major Ukrainian victory. Here's hoping!! 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

15 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Been seeing reports of a major Ukrainian victory. Here's hoping!! 

 

 

Looks like it might still be contested but from what I’ve read, Ukraine executed a feint to draw the Russians in and then Ukraine successfully counterattacked and is continuing to push them back. 
 

 

[Warcodered]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Been seeing reports of a major Ukrainian victory. Here's hoping!! 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Unfortunate (if true)

 

 

U.S. Officials Admit They Have Lied About Ukraine Success and Russian Failures

by Larry Johnson

 

The U.S. and NATO have been lying about what is actually taking place on the ground in Ukraine. For those not familiar with my early writings on the actual situation, go back a look at my previous articles written in March– Is Russia on the Ropes in Ukraine? and Update on the Military Situation in Ukraine. NBC News, not known as a pro-Putin media outlet, published this bombshell this week:

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/u-s-officials-admit-lied-ukraine-success-russian-failures/

 

Call me shocked. Liars lying. Who'd have thought it? Beware of "hitching your wagon" to Neocon/State Dept/Pentagon/Brandon propaganda.