Kurt Warner breakdown on Bills vsJaguars game

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

 

Allen really did struggle in the game. Kurt Warner does amazing breakdowns.

Edited November 10, 2021 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

 

Allen really did struggle in the game. Kurt Warner does amazing breakdowns.

 

Funny you say that, because I get about the least out of them that I get out of any of the film breakdowns.

Can't tell you why

I loved Kurt Warner as a player, I just don't find his breakdowns that helpful.

[GETTOTHE50]

warner is an old, bitter wet towel. its sad to see how jealous he is of JA17.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Funny you say that, because I get about the least out of them that I get out of any of the film breakdowns.

Can't tell you why

I loved Kurt Warner as a player, I just don't find his breakdowns that helpful.

It’s usually because he can’t hide his disdain for Allen. Warner was a big wrong Josher.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Funny you say that, because I get about the least out of them that I get out of any of the film breakdowns.

Can't tell you why

I loved Kurt Warner as a player, I just don't find his breakdowns that helpful.

 

Really like Kurt Warner and his breakdowns. Honestly follow lots of breakdowns to understand the game better.  Lots of different people.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It’s usually because he can’t hide his disdain for Allen. Warner was a big wrong Josher.

 

I suppose that could be part of it

Josh is a very very different QB than Warner was.  Warner made his living on the quick strike passing game, knowing where he was going to go with the ball and getting it there quickly and accurately.

 

But when I watch him break down other games and other players, I just don't get as much out of it as I do out of, say, Brett Kollman or Cover1 or Jim Kubiak's writeup.  I can't put my finger on why.  I'll shut up now, not trying to squelch discussion from people who find his takes helpful.

 

@Buffalo Bills Fan, can you share particulars about what you found insightful or useful here?

[ticketssince61]

Love these type of analyses since they don't show this kind of detail during the came and the average fan cannot see these on their own

 

However,

1. Most of those hidden yards were not that significant

2. A lot of times, it seemed that JA had to throw it a bit off because there were Jags running untouched towards him

3. I am sure that you kind all of these 'hidden yards' with every QB

4. He is a HOF QB, but it is ALOT easier to find the hidden yards a) watching game tape; b) in slow motion and c) with aerial views

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I suppose that could be part of it

Josh is a very very different QB than Warner was.  Warner made his living on the quick strike passing game, knowing where he was going to go with the ball and getting it there quickly and accurately.

 

But when I watch him break down other games and other players, I just don't get as much out of it as I do out of, say, Brett Kollman or Cover1 or Jim Kubiak's writeup.  I can't put my finger on why.  I'll shut up now, not trying to squelch discussion from people who find his takes helpful.

 

@Buffalo Bills Fan, can you share particulars about what you found insightful or useful here?

In this video. Lots of throws Allen was pretty late throwing underneath. His views can be helpful but seems so simple. The people you mentioned love there break downs as well. Try to learn them all.  His views are pretty simple. Right helleva QB in the past. Allen is different from him. Allen can learn from him quick passing and underneath route's if opponent d try to do coverages ( Tampa 2 , pressure and such). If needed a quick passing game.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

In this video. Lots of throws Allen was pretty late throwing underneath. His views can be helpful but seems so simple. The people you mentioned love there break downs as well. Try to learn them all.  His views are pretty simple. Right helleva QB in the past. Allen is different from him. Allen can learn from him quick passing and underneath route's if opponent d try to do coverages ( Tampa 2 , pressure and such). If needed a quick passing game.

 

Cover1 and Jim Kubiak and others often point out plays where they assert Allen's reads are deep-to-shallow.  If true, that may be a problem with play design.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Cover1 and Jim Kubiak and others often point out plays where they assert Allen's reads are deep-to-shallow.  If true, that may be a problem with play design.

Cover 1 and Jim kubiak are great to learn from. They are really good.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[ngbills]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Cover1 and Jim Kubiak and others often point out plays where they assert Allen's reads are deep-to-shallow.  If true, that may be a problem with play design.

Play design and/or adjustments not being made seem to be the biggest issue after watching and rewatching these breakdowns. That is good news...I think. It means Daboll and Allen have some work to do if they are willing to make changes needed. 

[Matt_In_NH]

I liked seeing this, a couple things come to mind.

 

1.   Being good as an NFL QB requires figuring things out presnap.  When you see guys open after the play people are quick to point it out but the reality is the QB has very little time to figure it out and make the throw.  The OBJ dad video was dumb for this reason.  Josh helps himself a lot by knowing what will happen after the snap and using that to his advantage.  Using his eyes post snap to confirm the read and make the play.   I felt like Josh did that better last year than this year.  It seems like defenses have kind of figured out some tendencies and Josh/the Bills need to counter.

2.  Pressure....Kurt ignored the pressure in this video...there were times he was saying Allen should have done this....meanwhile he is sidestepping and otherwise avoiding a DL and not able to throw when Kurt though he should be.   As we all know the OL was terrible last Sunday I'm just saying Kurt ignored that during this analysis.

3.  Ball placement is important on the throws at the LOS...need to get the receiver going the right way.

4.  Hearing a lot about cover 2/Tampa 2/2 deeps shell.....that seems like a general approach teams are using against explosive offenses...I am not an expert but again, sometimes this stuff is move counter move.  Something has to be there when you have talent and the Bills have the talent, figure it out....

Edited November 11, 2021 by mattynh

[Augie]

1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

warner is an old, bitter wet towel. its sad to see how jealous he is of JA17.

 

It seems the underdog JUCO experience might seem almost as cool as stocking shelves. He doesn’t seem to give Josh his due, for some reason.  🤷‍♀️

[billybrew1]

1 hour ago, ticketssince61 said:

Love these type of analyses since they don't show this kind of detail during the came and the average fan cannot see these on their own

 

However,

1. Most of those hidden yards were not that significant

2. A lot of times, it seemed that JA had to throw it a bit off because there were Jags running untouched towards him

3. I am sure that you kind all of these 'hidden yards' with every QB

4. He is a HOF QB, but it is ALOT easier to find the hidden yards a) watching game tape; b) in slow motion and c) with aerial views

Josh thinks the same way you do. That these reads are not that important, but they are.

Josh has to learn to take what is there and not fight the play.

It is these little things Josh has to learn and do.

And that's a big reason why we have been struggling all year on offense.

Josh isn't the only one screwing up but he is older now and has to lead by doing what the coaches tell him.

Thats all that Brady does. Calls the right checks and runs the play according to what the defense is doing.

You take what's there.

 

Hopefully, Josh will eventually learn.

We have this year and next year to win a Super Bowl before Josh's big money kicks in, Now would be a good time to stop fighting the play. Imho, Josh also has to get better at throwing very long passes (bombs). He gets those two things down, we will be very difficult to beat. Especially once Brown, Knox, and Feliciano get back.

[GETTOTHE50]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

It seems the underdog JUCO experience might seem almost as cool as stocking shelves. He doesn’t seem to give Josh his due, for some reason.  🤷‍♀️

youd think if anything he would respect the hell out of the path JA17 went through, not being offered any scholarships and having to start out a junior college. How can you not respect the perseverance?  Yes JA17 is an athletic freak of nature, but so was Jamarcus Russel, the difference being JA17 is a humble person with work ethic. 

I dont understand how people dont like him, unless you are an divisional foe.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

youd think if anything he would respect the hell out of the path JA17 went through, not being offered any scholarships and having to start out a junior college. How can you not respect the perseverance?  Yes JA17 is an athletic freak of nature, but so was Jamarcus Russel, the difference being JA17 is a humble person with work ethic. 

I dont understand how people dont like him, unless you are an divisional foe.

 

Love Josh lots. Really want to see him do well.  He is a humble person with work ethic. 

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

 

Allen really did struggle in the game. Kurt Warner does amazing breakdowns.

Added this vid to my post because it's almost exactly what I meant.

Thanks for this! 17 was awful in this game.

Can't wait to see him overcome this adversity vs Jests. 

Edited November 11, 2021 by JerseyBills

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

It’s usually because he can’t hide his disdain for Allen. Warner was a big wrong Josher.

Disagree. I thought it was fair. Allen has a terrible game even factoring in line play. I don’t think that’s actually arguable.

42 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

youd think if anything he would respect the hell out of the path JA17 went through, not being offered any scholarships and having to start out a junior college. How can you not respect the perseverance?  Yes JA17 is an athletic freak of nature, but so was Jamarcus Russel, the difference being JA17 is a humble person with work ethic. 

I dont understand how people dont like him, unless you are an divisional foe.

This is kind of a false narrative. Warner has had complimentary videos about Allen in the past.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Disagree. I thought it was fair. Allen has a terrible game even factoring in line play. I don’t think that’s actually arguable.

This is kind of a false narrative. Warner has had complimentary videos about Allen in the past.

 

I’ve seen a few of Warner’s clips. I don’t hate the guy (and I love his story), but I never found them very entertaining or enlightening. I didn’t even click on the link above. Maybe my sample size wasn’t large enough to be valid, but there are people out there I’d rather spend my time and clicks on. 

[BananaB]

38 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Added this vid to my post because it's almost exactly what I meant.

Thanks for this! 17 was awful in this game.

Can't wait to see him overcome this adversity vs Jests. 

I never watch this stuff but based off the pic if Allen throws to the RB there he doesn’t get in the end zone. It’s 3rd down so waiting for something to open up in the end zone does not hurt us at all, just makes the fg try a couple yards longer. 
 

It’s kind of a terrible play to choose for him not taking the shorter route. Maybe if it was on second down there would be something to complain about, on third he gotta look to the end zone if the short guy don’t got the room to run it in.