chris heff Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, The Dean said: Are you suggesting the Bills would have plenty of land for RV parking and tailgating downtown? Lay it out. Because I think that is a pipe dream. They don’t want any of that, if you own hotels why would you want RV park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, chris heff said: They don’t want any of that, if you own hotels why would you want RV park? Not only that, but where would you put all that land? I think you'd, at some point, have to buy out current businesses to get it done. For 8-10 Sundays a year, how does that help the downtown economy? Do other downtown stadiums have huge RV lots? I'm serious here, because I do not know. Edited August 28, 2021 by The Dean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Don't take away my oats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, The Dean said: Not only that, but where would you put all that land? I think you'd, at some point, have to buy out current businesses to get it done. For 8-10 Sundays a year, HOW does that help the downtown economy? Do other downtown stadiums have huge RV lots? I'm serious here, because I do not know. I’m not sure your getting this, RV parking lots and tailgating bring in zero revenue to the Bills or the county, why would they want them? Don’t the Pegulas own two hotels downtown? They want you staying on a hotel and eating and drinking in the stadium. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, chris heff said: I’m not sure your getting this, RV parking lots and tailgating bring in zero revenue to the Bills or the county, why would they want them? Don’t the Pegulas own two hotels downtown? They want you staying on a hotel and eating and drinking in the stadium. I get this just fine. I have no interest in a downtown stadium for many reasons. My initial response was to Solomon's comment "Bills would have plenty of land to have the RV parking and flat asphalt for tailgating." I'm just trying to figure out how he believes that. Clearly (IMO) there is no economic incentive for it, except perhaps for the Bills (or whoever owns the lots). But it doesn't seem like a likely outcome to me. But I'm open to a dialogue to those who think it can be accomplished. BTW, if they own the land, parking lots actually bring revenue to whoever owns them. Bills/City/whomever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, The Dean said: First of all, Lucas Oil Stadium is NOT A DOME! It has a retractable roof, that is completely un-dome like. A DOME is a shape, it just doesn't mean "a roof", lol. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/domed stadium https://definition.org/define/domed stadium/ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dome https://www.almaany.com/en/dict/en-en/domed+stadium/ https://www.encyclo.co.uk/meaning-of-domed_stadium https://webster-dictionary.org/definition/domed stadium domed stadium meaning was changed many decades ago to mean any stadium with a roof. Edited August 28, 2021 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, cba fan said: lol. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/domed stadium https://definition.org/define/domed stadium/ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dome https://www.almaany.com/en/dict/en-en/domed+stadium/ https://www.encyclo.co.uk/meaning-of-domed_stadium https://webster-dictionary.org/definition/domed stadium domed stadium meaning was changed many decades ago to mean any stadium with a roof. For people with no sense of shape. I hear people in Atlanta call all soda pop "coke". That doesn't' mean it isn't stupid. "Enclosed" is a far better term. Then again I get pissed when people refer to any place in New York outside of the NYC metro as "Upstate New York". Just looking for a bit more specificity! Edited August 28, 2021 by The Dean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 7 hours ago, The Dean said: For people with no sense of shape. I hear people in Atlanta call all soda pop "coke". That doesn't' mean it isn't stupid. "Enclosed" is a far better term. Then again I get pissed when people refer to any place in New York outside of the NYC metro as "Upstate New York". Just looking for a bit more specificity! For the record: Out here in California we also say Coke for all forms of soda And I agree, I’ve always said Buffalo is in Western NY not Upstate NY based solely on the geometry of the State itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 16 hours ago, chris heff said: That makes sense from the standpoint of fans. It would be the opposite for the county and Bills owners, they receive no revenue from tailgating. In Atlanta they priced food and drinks reasonably to get people in the building. Erie county and the Pegulas would have to factor that into any decision. Yeah, I don’t know why the county or state would be willing to contribute much of anything to an OP stadium. I’d draw a hard line in negotiations that I want a downtown stadium if I represented either side. I respect and understand the reasons people want an OP stadium. I also believe that WNY’s fear of people not accepting change is something that holds the area back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 19 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: You have a good imagination. Odds are more likely it would just be another downtown stadium, the majority of them are largely forgetful and grossly under utilized. Buffalo is NOT a tourist destination. Architects I have meet always have grandiose plans and dreams. Be thankful/grateful we MIGHT get a new stadium in OP. So if I have you right you want to hire an architect that’ll prepare mundane plans with no creativity or inspiration?. I’ll need to write that down. I’ve been doing this all wrong for the past FORTY YEARS. 😉 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 21 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Think about it....tailgating was not a 'thing' at the Rockpile. That only arose when they moved to Orchard Park (I'm old!). I’m old enough to remember charcoal grills inside the Rockpile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, SirAndrew said: Yeah, I don’t know why the county or state would be willing to contribute much of anything to an OP stadium. I’d draw a hard line in negotiations that I want a downtown stadium if I represented either side. I respect and understand the reasons people want an OP stadium. I also believe that WNY’s fear of people not accepting change is something that holds the area back. NYS has no reason to put it downtown The cost is going to be way more and there is no economic impact to the city as shown by dozens of studies Our Local politicians in Western New York absolutely have a huge reason to keep them here.. their jobs... And we already have the land in orchard Park That's the easiest and most simple answer at the end of the day Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: NYS has no reason to put it downtown The cost is going to be way more and there is no economic impact to the city as shown by dozens of studies Our Local politicians in Western New York absolutely have a huge reason to keep them here.. their jobs... And we already have the land in orchard Park That's the easiest and most simple answer at the end of the day I’ll admit to not being the most well versed on this, so I do appreciate any insight. I just don’t understand how bringing people into downtown bars and restaurants doesn’t have an economic greater than thousands of people drinking in parking lots. Thousands of people go to games in OP without spending a dime outside of the ticket cost. It’s not that I don’t believe economic experts, but often times studies prove whatever the person paying for it wants it to prove. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I’ll admit to not being the most well versed on this, so I do appreciate any insight. I just don’t understand how bringing people into downtown bars and restaurants doesn’t have an economic greater than thousands of people drinking in parking lots. Thousands of people go to games in OP without spending a dime outside of the ticket cost. It’s not that I don’t believe economic experts, but often times studies prove whatever the person paying for it wants it to prove. This isn't Something new... This is something that goes back generations and generations And there's alot at play First, a stadium downtown won't bring all those tailgaters to the bars and restaurants... That is part of the Buffalo culture and history We know how to throw parties and cook for friends and family better than most.. most will not go downtown and spend 10 dollars a beer when you can get a 12 pack for the cost.. and make awesome food with friends and family It will not turn into a downtown bar hopping scene , because we honestly party smarter than that ... Of course there will always be a contingent willing ... Then you have the thousands of families with kids... But I'd be willing to bet it doesn't turn into a huge scene when they charge 10 bucks a drink at downtown bars and you can get a 12 pack for that... Most Buffalonians would eat and drink at home and then arrive before the game Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just as well, I suppose. It looks like downtown renaissance may be turning into a decades long decline after this fall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: This isn't Something new... This is something that goes back generations and generations And there's alot at play First, a stadium downtown won't bring all those tailgaters to the bars and restaurants... That is part of the Buffalo culture and history We know how to throw parties and cook for friends and family better than most.. most will not go downtown and spend 10 dollars a beer when you can get a 12 pack for the cost.. and make awesome food with friends and family It will not turn into a downtown bar hopping scene , because we honestly party smarter than that ... Of course there will always be a contingent willing ... Then you have the thousands of families with kids... But I'd be willing to bet it doesn't turn into a huge scene when they charge 10 bucks a drink at downtown bars and you can get a 12 pack for that... Most Buffalonians would eat and drink at home and then arrive before the game You’re spot on with the culture of Buffalo stuff. I’d still push for a city stadium if I were leadership, but it really comes down to the cost Pegula is willing to cover. If a city stadium is too cost prohibitive, it’s not going to happen. The Pegula’s and the NFL couldn’t care less about how much Buffalonians love tailgating. Buffalo could never support costly PSL’s and extra expenses, but I believe there’s an untapped market that doesn’t attend games in OP. Those are the type of people who wouldn’t mind spending some time downtown prior to a game. Indoor stadiums along with all the costs of a new stadium can attract a different crowd. Buffalo traditions remain strong, but the area is changing, much as the rest of the world. It’s no longer exclusively hard drinking, blue collar guys. That legacy remains in the parking lots of OP every Sunday, and it’s great, but I think there’s a more diverse Bills fan base than we realize. I’ll actually be curious how many people get priced out of a new stadium in OP. I’m good with a new stadium in OP, and the continuation of Buffalo traditions will be great, but I can see why some people believe so strongly in a downtown stadium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: You’re spot on with the culture of Buffalo stuff. I’d still push for a city stadium if I were leadership, but it really comes down to the cost Pegula is willing to cover. If a city stadium is too cost prohibitive, it’s not going to happen. The Pegula’s and the NFL couldn’t care less about how much Buffalonians love tailgating. Buffalo could never support costly PSL’s and extra expenses, but I believe there’s an untapped market that doesn’t attend games in OP. Those are the type of people who wouldn’t mind spending some time downtown prior to a game. Indoor stadiums along with all the costs of a new stadium can attract a different crowd. Buffalo traditions remain strong, but the area is changing, much as the rest of the world. It’s no longer exclusively hard drinking, blue collar guys. That legacy remains in the parking lots of OP every Sunday, and it’s great, but I think there’s a more diverse Bills fan base than we realize. I’ll actually be curious how many people get priced out of a new stadium in OP. I’m good with a new stadium in OP, and the continuation of Buffalo traditions will be great, but I can see why some people believe so strongly in a downtown stadium. The fan base is diverse of course The demographics of the city and suburbs has remained fairly stable... The closer you live to the actual City the more Blue collar Further you go into the suburbs the more white collar It doesn't change the fact that a stadium downtown is astronomically more expensive than in OP That untapped market you're talking about isn't a big enough market for terry to push out hardcore Bills fans And Terry doesn't want to pay for the majority of the stadium.. so it's going where it's most cost effective .. and that's op Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) On 8/27/2021 at 2:40 PM, billsfanmiamioh said: Why? So it can be like Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Nashville, Etc? Been to lots of downtown stadiums and they’re fun for a day but there are very few places (if any) like OP for a game day experience. People I’ve brought with me that have only known “downtown” stadiums are always blown away and jealous we get to do it 8 (or 9) times per year. I really don't get this argument, about the lack of tailgating or the gameday experience. its not like there couldn't be ANY parking. Lets say a downtown stadium had 60% less parking lot areas. That is still a LOT of parking. Would you be able to tailgate in one lot..then walk 1/3 of the way around the stadium and tailgate with friends in a different lot? and then walk another 1/3 around the stadium and tailgate with even different friends in ANOTHER 3rd huge lot? No. But if the new Downtown stadium had 2 or 3 major parking lots instead of 5 or 6 like in Orchard park....how does that make the 'tailgating' experience for any individual group worse? I haven't been to a game in years at the stadium, so I'm asking as an honest question.....if a downtown stadium was built and had less than half the parking but DID still have 1 or 2 large parking lots...how would that make tailgating worse? I just want to know from people who don't like the downtown idea. Edited August 28, 2021 by mjd1001 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: The fan base is diverse of course The demographics of the city and suburbs has remained fairly stable... The closer you live to the actual City the more Blue collar Further you go into the suburbs the more white collar It doesn't change the fact that a stadium downtown is astronomically more expensive than in OP That untapped market you're talking about isn't a big enough market for terry to push out hardcore Bills fans And Terry doesn't want to pay for the majority of the stadium.. so it's going where it's most cost effective .. and that's op I agree, downtown isn’t happening because of the cost. The only thing I feel slightly different about is “pushing out hardcore fans”. This another issue that I don’t think is remotely on the Pegula’s radar. The new stadium will be full on gameday, and revenue will be up. That’s all anyone is concerned about. I think some are in for a surprise with the new stadium regardless of location. Some people are still going to be priced out. People are going to be priced out whether it be in OP or downtown imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 The more I think about this, the more I am OK with not having it in downtown. When I think of other large football stadiums across the NFL, the majority are not in downtown areas. But with that said, if you are going to do it in Orchard Park, make sure you do it right. When you look at some of the other 'non-downtown' stadiums in the league, what are features they have that make them special? Is there anything different, or even the same you can do with a new Stadium in Orchard Park that will make it better than just a 'nice new stadium?" -The Fan Atrium in Greenbay (a much larger and better indoor version of the HSBC Atrium -Patriot place, the mini shopping mall/entertainment district built right beside Gillette Stadium in Foxboro -Could you move the Buffalo Sports hall of fame to the new stadium? Would you want to do that? -something like the 72 club in Miami....outdoor seating (not luxury boxes) but luxury box amenities like reclining seats, video screens for each seat..etc.? Anyone have any other ideas? I'd personally be more interested in things to do just OUTSIDE the stadium walls. Maybe have large public gathering areas inside the gates but outside the stadium walls where local bands can play before the game, or a mini version of the Superbowl fan experience can be had before the games in a public square type area. I'm not good at this type of thing, but if the stadium will be built in Orchard Park, what are some specific, but practical ideas anyone has they would like to see there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I still can't believe a generic open air bowl stadium on land you already own will cost a billion and a half. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I still can't believe a generic open air bowl stadium on land you already own will cost a billion and a half. I’ve always kept an open mind regarding a new stadium, but I think that price tag is why I’m having trouble being enthusiastic. It just seems like a bad deal for all parties involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I still can't believe a generic open air bowl stadium on land you already own will cost a billion and a half. Corruption Mafia controlled business NYS politician's Trifecta 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Corruption Mafia controlled business NYS politician's Trifecta Yeah, I don’t live in WNY, but I’m still in NY. There’s some mind blowing stuff going on in my area. Not to go off course, but I question how much longer I want to be in this state everyday. It’s a shame that NY’s filthy hands need to get anywhere near this stadium stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SirAndrew said: Yeah, I don’t live in WNY, but I’m still in NY. There’s some mind blowing stuff going on in my area. Not to go off course, but I question how much longer I want to be in this state everyday. It’s a shame that NY’s filthy hands need to get anywhere near this stadium stuff. I hear ya... I never left Buffalo because my mother and father and the rest of my family I just love them too much to leave.. maybe when they're gone A lot of people don't realize, that the Italian mafia, that runs in New York City... Also has a crime family in Buffalo And they had their hands in everything.. unions.. labor back In the day Corruption is deep... Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I hear ya... I never left Buffalo because my mother and father and the rest of my family I just love them too much to leave.. maybe when they're gone A lot of people don't realize, that the Italian mafia, that runs in New York City... Also has a family in Buffalo And they have their hands in everything.. unions.. labor etc Corruption is deep... It's even crazier when you find out who runs the buffalo mafia I've been great friends with the family you're referencing for several years - they have no influence or membership in Local 210 any longer, and haven't for a long time. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Patience said: I've been great friends with the family you're referencing for several years - they have no influence or membership in Local 210 any longer, and haven't for a long time. Well they certainly did back in the day... whether they have much influential now is debatable And Dominic violi has been arrested in the last five years as the underboss and talks about the family on wiretap ... Getting name underboss by them Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 58 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I still can't believe a generic open air bowl stadium on land you already own will cost a billion and a half. I’m guessing it won’t but they have to set an outside limit because you really can’t go back and get more money on a project like this. And remember there’s a difference between project cost and construction cost. They’re often confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Well they certainly did back in the day... whether they have much influential now is debatable And Dominic violi has been arrested in the last five years as the underboss and talks about the family on wiretap Actually, it's not a debate, at all. Not even in the slightest. They have zero influence or involvement with Local 210, or any other labor union. Both my dad and grandfather worked their entire careers with Local 210, and I've been extremely close to that family my entire life. There's zero debate. And don't name drop. There's nothing you can tell me that I'm not already aware of. Edited August 28, 2021 by Patience 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Patience said: Actually, it's not a debate, at all. Not even in the slightest. They have zero influence or involvement with Local 210, or any other labor union. Both my dad and grandfather worked their entire careers with Local 210, and I've been extremely close to that family my entire life. There's zero debate. There's really nothing to debate cuz I really don't care .. it's just an interesting story But the wiretaps say different and so did violi recently... News reported it Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I hear ya... I never left Buffalo because my mother and father and the rest of my family I just love them too much to leave.. maybe when they're gone A lot of people don't realize, that the Italian mafia, that runs in New York City... Also has a family in Buffalo And they have their hands in everything.. unions.. labor etc Corruption is deep... It's even crazier when you find out who runs the buffalo mafia Really, the Italian mafia, is this the 50's 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: There's really nothing to debate cuz I really don't care .. it's just an interesting story But the wiretaps say different and so did violi .. What's the story? There's zero involvement from the family you cited in your initial post. There's no story. And no, nothing says differently, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Old Man said: Really, the Italian mafia, is this the 50's Lmao I was half joking with that... But the FBI is in Buffalo investigating the Buffalo Mafia right now The under boss was arrested in the last few years.. whether they have a lot of influence, debatable But the FBI certainly back looking into it 1 hour ago, Patience said: What's the story? There's zero involvement from the family you cited in your initial post. There's no story. And no, nothing says differently, at all. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/shocking-mob-trial-allegation-hamilton-crime-figure-was-underboss-of-buffalo-mafia Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Lmao I was half joking with that... But the FBI is in Buffalo investigating the Buffalo Mafia right now The under boss was arrested in the last few years.. whether they have a lot of influence, debatable But the FBI certainly back looking into it https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/shocking-mob-trial-allegation-hamilton-crime-figure-was-underboss-of-buffalo-mafia Names the family.. the name has came up in the last 5 years You asserted that the Buffalo mob is involved with labor and local unions. Your link states nothing in support of that. Once again, no story. And, once again, there's nothing you're able to tell me I'm not already aware of. Sending me links of your Google sources does nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Patience said: You asserted that the Buffalo mob is involved with labor and local unions. Your link states nothing in support of that. Once again, no story. And, once again, there's nothing you're able to tell me I'm not already aware of. Sending me links of your Google sources does nothing. Since sarcasm doesn't come through good through the internet.. things get lost in translation... I should have said had hands on everything I was kind of half-assing that the mafia is actually playing a part in negotiations... Obviously politicians... They did have a hand in unions back in the day But it fits because of the history of the mafia in Buffalo.. which is undeniable and there's been more reports of it recently Which is why I jokingly included it.. I'm sorry for offending you Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Since sarcasm doesn't come through good through the internet.. things get lost in translation I was kind of half-assing that the mafia is actually playing a part in negotiations... Obviously politicians But it fits because of the history of the mafia in Buffalo.. which is undeniable and there's been more reports of it recently Which is why I jokingly included it.. I'm sorry for offending you You weren't being sarcastic or joking. You were asserting something and gave the impression that you had information relating to it, which you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Patience said: You weren't being sarcastic or joking. You were asserting something and gave the impression that you had information relating to it, which you don't. I stated that the mafia has a family in Buffalo which is a fact and they had unions back in the day And it is still operating cuz the FBI is here investigating it.. who knows what it has it's hands on But the FBI knows it's in contact with the five families through wiretapping... Whatever they're doing it doesn't even matter... But they are running Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I stated that the mafia has a family in Buffalo which is a fact And it is still operating cuz the FBI is here investigating it "And they have their hands in everything.. unions.. labor etc" Want to take a guess at who posted this earlier in this thread? And, just to be clear, it wasn't posted as a joke. Again, I keep telling you there's nothing you can tell me....yet, you keep trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Patience said: "And they have their hands in everything.. unions.. labor etc" Want to take a guess at who posted this earlier in this thread? And, just to be clear, it wasn't posted as a joke. Again, I keep telling you there's nothing you can tell me....yet, you keep trying. I already said that should say had not have which is past tense... It's a grammatical error It's a fact the FBI is still here investigating it They did run unions back in the day, which is why it was a fun thing to add on.. because the mafia exists in Buffalo Edited August 28, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I already said that should say had not have which is past tense... It's a grammatical error It's a fact the FBI is still here investigating it The FBI is investigating Mafia involvement in local labor unions? You have anything to back that up? Because if you re-read, that is the only part of your initial post that I addressed. I have no comment on anything else you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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