B-Man Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 If Joe Biden Doesn’t Change Course, This Will Be His Worst Failure “The current humanitarian crisis could kill far more Afghans than the past 20 years of war.” By EZRA KLEIN https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/opinion/afghanistan-starvation-biden.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 CRISIS BY DESIGN: Now All the Unvetted Afghans Biden’s Handlers Brought Here Can’t Be Deported. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2022/03/22/insane-now-all-the-unvetted-afghans-bidens-handlers-brought-here-cant-be-deported-n1568776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 9:15 AM, B-Man said: If Joe Biden Doesn’t Change Course, This Will Be His Worst Failure “The current humanitarian crisis could kill far more Afghans than the past 20 years of war.” By EZRA KLEIN https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/opinion/afghanistan-starvation-biden.html This is exactly what I'm talking about regarding crocodile tears over Ukrainians but not a peep for Afghans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: This is exactly what I'm talking about regarding crocodile tears over Ukrainians but not a peep for Afghans. There is quite a difference between the two. The Ukrainians are demonstrating intense national pride and defending themselves in every manner possible, and doing a pretty good job getting their story out. That gets peoples attention and support. The Afghan military, if ever there was such a thing, never did that. I was watching a youtube from a guy whose opinion I hold in high regard. He went on a special forces mission in Afghanistan with US troops. Long story short, they were with Afghan troops and those folks were asked, "why don't you fight these guys," and the response was, "That's the US' job." They simply didn't care. They remain a tribal culture with a "next dollar gets my allegiance," attitude, and no national identity to point to or rally around. Their light speed collapse proved that. Loss of life is sad on any scale, but it is human nature to support people you identify with, and I'm not talking race or culture. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, sherpa said: There is quite a difference between the two. The Ukrainians are demonstrating intense national pride and defending themselves in every manner possible, and doing a pretty good job getting their story out. That gets peoples attention and support. The Afghan military, if ever there was such a thing, never did that. I was watching a youtube from a guy whose opinion I hold in high regard. He went on a special forces mission in Afghanistan with US troops. Long story short, they were with Afghan troops and those folks were asked, "why don't you fight these guys," and the response was, "That's the US' job." They simply didn't care. They remain a tribal culture with a "next dollar gets my allegiance," attitude, and no national identity to point to or rally around. Their light speed collapse proved that. Loss of life is sad on any scale, but it is human nature to support people you identify with, and I'm not talking race or culture. And the quick collapse of the Afghani government and army due to Biden's horrible withdrawal might have given Vlad the impression that he could do the same to Ukraine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 REALLY? YOU FIND THIS BAFFLING? Many baffled by Taliban reneging pledge on girls’ education. “The United Nations children’s agency told The Associated Press on Thursday they were blindsided by the announcement.” Yeah, who could have seen this coming? https://www.wbir.com/article/news/nation-world/world-baffled-by-taliban-reneging-pledge-on-girls-education/507-77caab05-233d-4b99-a621-e757efd51bea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Niagara Bill Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 1:32 PM, sherpa said: There is quite a difference between the two. The Ukrainians are demonstrating intense national pride and defending themselves in every manner possible, and doing a pretty good job getting their story out. That gets peoples attention and support. The Afghan military, if ever there was such a thing, never did that. I was watching a youtube from a guy whose opinion I hold in high regard. He went on a special forces mission in Afghanistan with US troops. Long story short, they were with Afghan troops and those folks were asked, "why don't you fight these guys," and the response was, "That's the US' job." They simply didn't care. They remain a tribal culture with a "next dollar gets my allegiance," attitude, and no national identity to point to or rally around. Their light speed collapse proved that. Loss of life is sad on any scale, but it is human nature to support people you identify with, and I'm not talking race or culture. There us a big difference. Afghans fighting Afghans. Versus a friendly sovereign nation being overwhelmed by another nation who happens to be spreading Communism. The west should be more concerned if the spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: There us a big difference. Afghans fighting Afghans. Versus a friendly sovereign nation being overwhelmed by another nation who happens to be spreading Communism. The west should be more concerned if the spread. They're spreading nothing except disdain and repulsion for their gov and their military. The world's desire to embrace Russian style communism is about as popular as covid. They are being publicly humiliated across international borders. This disgraceful exercise is going to cost them dearly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 4 hours ago, sherpa said: They're spreading nothing except disdain and repulsion for their gov and their military. The world's desire to embrace Russian style communism is about as popular as covid. They are being publicly humiliated across international borders. This disgraceful exercise is going to cost them dearly. There are a few nations who embrace them. They are not humiliated, they cannot be humiliated, they don't think like you. They don't care. People don't want dictators and Communism, it is pushed on them. The court of public opinion has no vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Oh, great. Taliban using abandoned biometric data to target Afghan helpers It’s long been known that America’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan last summer left behind a massive trove of more than seven billion dollars worth of weapons and other military equipment. This has made the Taliban one of the most well-armed military forces in the region. But there were other goodies left behind for the terrorists to rummage through. There were countless computers and other data storage devices. Some of these contained all of the personnel records of our Afghan helpers ranging from translators to teachers and general maintenance workers. Those records included all manner of biometric and personal data such as home addresses and the identity of relatives living in the area. Now the Taliban is using that data to track down the helpers that we left behind and imprison or execute them, and members of the Senate want answers as to how this happened. https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/05/04/oh-great-taliban-using-abandoned-biometric-data-to-target-afghan-helpers-n466980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Biden admin: How could we possibly have known how badly the Afghan withdrawal would go? https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/05/25/biden-admin-how-could-we-possibly-have-known-how-badly-the-afghan-withdrawal-would-go-n471777 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 GOP Senators Looking Into Report Biden Allowed '50 Dangerous Afghans' to Enter U.S., Despite Serious Red Flags https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/05/28/gop-senators-looking-into-report-biden-allowed-50-dangerous-afghans-to-enter-u-s-despite-serious-red-flags-n571570 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Report: Biden Still Not Using Defense Department Database to Vet Afghans with Potential Terrorism Ties by John Binder https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/27/biden-defense-database-screen-afghans-terrorism/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 LET’S GO BRANDON! Al-Qaida enjoying a haven in Afghanistan under Taliban, UN warns. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/03/al-qaida-enjoying-a-haven-in-afghanistan-under-taliban-un-warns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) On 2/21/2022 at 12:15 PM, B-Man said: If Joe Biden Doesn’t Change Course, This Will Be His Worst Failure “The current humanitarian crisis could kill far more Afghans than the past 20 years of war.” By EZRA KLEIN https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/opinion/afghanistan-starvation-biden.html Let's have a show of hands for those who care! It's a dead subject for most of the world. A dust bowl who kept Russia and America busy for 40 yrs. Billions of dollars and many lives. Afghan drugs have killed too many lives. Just another way of looking at the problem. If Afghanistan cared about US they would stop drug trade. If the US cared they would stop the drug trade. So whose humanitarian crisis is this? Edited June 5, 2022 by Niagara Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: Let's have a show of hands for those who care! It's a dead subject for most of the world. A dust bowl who kept Russia and America busy for 40 yrs. Billions of dollars and many lives. Afghan drugs have killed too many lives. Just another way of looking at the problem. If Afghanistan cared about US they would stop drug trade. If the US cared they would stop the drug trade. So whose humanitarian crisis is this? It's kind of everyone's crisis at this point. These are people, Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted June 6, 2022 Author Share Posted June 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Tenhigh said: It's kind of everyone's crisis at this point. These are people, Bill. I agree, but these types of crisis happen around the world and Ukraine is more important in status, TODAY. The people who die every day in US are people too. Likely more die daily from drugs than in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: I agree, but these types of crisis happen around the world and Ukraine is more important in status, TODAY. The people who die every day in US are people too. Likely more die daily from drugs than in Afghanistan. We can certainly chew gum and walk at the same time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted June 6, 2022 Author Share Posted June 6, 2022 51 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: We can certainly chew gum and walk at the same time For sure. The Afghan gum is getting stale, the world has limited attention span, political will drops, and new crisis hits the front page. Maybe in the end it is better for a solution under the radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 The UN should be dealing with Afghanistan , carrot and stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 House Republicans are vowing to impeach Biden for the earthquake in Afghanistan You didn't see the earth acting that way when the incompetent criminal was president! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Biden’s assurance about Afghanistan 1 year ago today has aged as disastrously as everything else this administration has touched Lost the entire country in 11 days and 13 service members, the first American casualties in over a year. He retaliated for that attack by droning 8 kids. People were falling off wheel wells of airplanes & he took about 3 questions on all of it. He turned his back and walked away. https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/07/08/bidens-assurance-about-afghanistan-1-year-ago-today-has-aged-as-disastrously-as-everything-else-this-admin-touched/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 CIA director ‘proud’ of Afghanistan analysis despite disastrous Taliban takeover by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter CIA Director William Burns said he is “very proud” of the agency’s analysis in Afghanistan in 2021 despite being blindsided by the swift collapse of the Afghan government and failing to predict how quickly the Taliban would take Kabul. The Taliban rapidly took over Afghanistan in mid-August amid a chaotic U.S. military withdrawal, and a suicide bombing by ISIS-K late that month killed 13 U.S. service members and at least 170 Afghan civilians as the United States led evacuation operations at the airport, with the Taliban providing security outside. Hundreds of Americans and tens of thousands of Afghan allies and interpreters were still in the country when the U.S. left before the end of August. Burns said Wednesday during an Aspen Security Forum discussion that he was “very proud … of the analysis, with all of its imperfections, that we tried to provide to policymakers over the six months leading up to the withdrawal.” The CIA director prefaced this by admitting the agency had not predicted the Taliban would take over the country as fast as they did and that “all of us have lessons to learn from experiences like that.” He suggested that the CIA had at least gotten it less wrong than other parts of the U.S. government. “As the president has said publicly, none of us anticipated that the Afghan government was going to flee as quickly as it did, that the Afghan military was going to collapse as fast as it did,” Burns said. “Having said that, I think CIA at least was always on the more pessimistic end of the spectrum in terms of highlighting, you know, over the course of the spring and the summer, the obvious ways in which the Taliban were advancing rapidly and how this was hollowing out in many ways, not just the political leadership but also the military.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/cia-very-proud-afghanistan-analysis-disastrous-taliban-takeover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Might as well go Simple Jack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 Kinder, gentler Taliban selling more children into marriage With most of the international media attention still focused on Ukraine and/or China and Taiwan, not as much coverage of the ongoing disaster in Afghanistan makes it into the headlines. But that doesn’t mean that the situation has been improving or that the country is returning to any sense of normalcy. There is still an ongoing food crisis there, with large portions of the country going hungry on a regular basis. (Unless you’re a member of the Taliban, of course, in which case you are eating like a king.) But starvation isn’t the only problem that the people of Afghanistan are facing. The Taliban have continued their brutal crackdown on fundamental human rights, most particularly for women and girls. Most schools for girls beyond 7th grade remain closed and women are still prevented from leaving their homes unless fully covered in conservative Islamic dress and accompanied by a male family member. And young girls are still being sold off into marriage, frequently to Taliban fighters or officials, by starving families. It’s a complete humanitarian crisis and it’s being caused by the Taliban. (Associated Press) https://apnews.com/article/violence-marriage-kabul-taliban-330ff124c9e06ea49ca363b991a7a996 https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/07/27/kinder-gentler-taliban-selling-more-children-into-marriage-n485514 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 I thought at the time Biden was making a great decision to end that mistake of an occupation early in his presidency. Let it go and be forgotten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I thought at the time Biden was making a great decision to end that mistake of an occupation early in his presidency. Let it go and be forgotten You mean like you have let go of any angst against Trump ? 👍 Seeing as the plan was already put in place to get out prior to Biden taking office but hey even though he did totally screw up the withdrawal we will give you that one for not stopping with a executive order another plan put in place by the prior POTUS . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW IT’S VANISHED FROM DISCUSSION? THAT’S BECAUSE IT MAKES A DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION LOOK HORRIBLE: Marking one year after the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle. “It’s almost hard to believe that it’s been a year now since America’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. The images of the final flights leaving the country and the throngs of desperate people trying to find a way out as the Taliban closed in are still burned into our collective memory. But inside the Biden administration (which has never really taken responsibility for that debacle), particularly in the CIA and other intelligence agencies, people are ‘moving on’ from Afghanistan.” They move on from all their failures. And why wouldn’t they? There are never any consequences. https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/08/08/marking-one-year-after-the-afghanistan-withdrawal-debacle-n488052 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Why the Afghanistan Withdrawal Was the Perfect Storm of Bureaucratic Incompetence. President Biden wants you to forget about what happened in Afghanistan. He wants you to forget about the bureaucratic incompetence and incompetent decision-making by nearly every senior leader. To this day, no one has been held accountable. Accountability, even verbally, would mean admitting failure and taking ownership, something the Biden administration refuses to accept. The botched withdrawal wasn’t a mistake or a one-time bad call. The catastrophe occurred due to consistent and specific inept leadership failures at the Department of Defense, Department of State, the White House, and the Intelligence Community. Failure to plan. Failure to be realistic about the strength and capabilities of the Taliban. Failure to adequately prepare and vet people to get them out of the country before the U.S. military departed. The Biden administration failed to connect the dots and keep agencies in sync. Pentagon leadership downplayed the truth about the shell the Afghanistan government and military was, as well as the reality that without the U.S. dollar and military propping them up, they would all come crashing down. Washington was hoping for an Afghanistan that they wanted – that should have been after 20 years of war and $2 trillion – but wasn’t. The withdrawal wasn’t a mistake – it was a catastrophic failure of epic proportions. Read the whole thing. https://townhall.com/columnists/ambersmith/2022/08/15/why-the-afghanistan-withdrawal-was-the-perfect-storm-of-bureaucratic-incompetence-n2611606 . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sherpa Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Why the Afghanistan Withdrawal Was the Perfect Storm of Bureaucratic Incompetence. President Biden wants you to forget about what happened in Afghanistan. He wants you to forget about the bureaucratic incompetence and incompetent decision-making by nearly every senior leader. To this day, no one has been held accountable. Accountability, even verbally, would mean admitting failure and taking ownership, something the Biden administration refuses to accept. The botched withdrawal wasn’t a mistake or a one-time bad call. The catastrophe occurred due to consistent and specific inept leadership failures at the Department of Defense, Department of State, the White House, and the Intelligence Community. Failure to plan. Failure to be realistic about the strength and capabilities of the Taliban. Failure to adequately prepare and vet people to get them out of the country before the U.S. military departed. The Biden administration failed to connect the dots and keep agencies in sync. Pentagon leadership downplayed the truth about the shell the Afghanistan government and military was, as well as the reality that without the U.S. dollar and military propping them up, they would all come crashing down. Washington was hoping for an Afghanistan that they wanted – that should have been after 20 years of war and $2 trillion – but wasn’t. The withdrawal wasn’t a mistake – it was a catastrophic failure of epic proportions. Read the whole thing. https://townhall.com/columnists/ambersmith/2022/08/15/why-the-afghanistan-withdrawal-was-the-perfect-storm-of-bureaucratic-incompetence-n2611606 . I really doubt anyone here will read it, but it is an entirely accurate viewpoint. The problem is systemic. When you have the system we have, which causes the extreme top level military to agree with the political power, you get yes men. It's the best way to do it, but occasionally, like now, you get incompetent leadership. Our Sect. of Defense is a political appointee whose resume strength is that he agrees with Biden, who is a military/leadership illiterate. That extends down to the Joint Chiefs. Below that, the major unified and operational commanders, things get more reasonable and realistic, but that isn't where major decisions on policy are made. Trump screwed it up, but left an out if certain circumstances weren't met, but it was a "sloppy" out. Biden didn't use that out, and the result has been horrible. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was a betrayal and a disaster. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/8/2022 at 10:36 AM, B-Man said: HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW IT’S VANISHED FROM DISCUSSION? THAT’S BECAUSE IT MAKES A DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION LOOK HORRIBLE: Marking one year after the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle. “It’s almost hard to believe that it’s been a year now since America’s disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. The images of the final flights leaving the country and the throngs of desperate people trying to find a way out as the Taliban closed in are still burned into our collective memory. But inside the Biden administration (which has never really taken responsibility for that debacle), particularly in the CIA and other intelligence agencies, people are ‘moving on’ from Afghanistan.” They move on from all their failures. And why wouldn’t they? There are never any consequences. https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/08/08/marking-one-year-after-the-afghanistan-withdrawal-debacle-n488052 . May be to help dems, but more likely 2 other reasons. Ukraine is more important than the dust bowl. The only relationship the US has to Afghanistan was military and that has ended. Before that the US population had no relationship to Afghanistan and no relationship to its people. Taliban and Muslim in the headline and frankly most, including me have no interest. They can kill each other..amen. move on. Nothing we can do. Roe v Wade more important. The quality of Biden decision was debated and filed away in people's minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: The only relationship the US has to Afghanistan was military and that has ended. Before that the US population had no relationship to Afghanistan and no relationship to its people. Taliban and Muslim in the headline and frankly most, including me have no interest. They can kill each other..amen. move on. Nothing we can do. When you develop a relationship with thousands of people, and then abandum them as a political expedient, there is a result, and it is not good. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Looks like Biden really is winding down the "forever wars" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sherpa Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Looks like Biden really is winding down the "forever wars" Preposterous. Tell that to our carrier Navy and Air Force Europe. The "air strike" claim is specious. We are flying crazy numbers in support of the Ukraine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Joe Who? ABC Avoids Biden’s Name in Report on ‘Sad,’ ‘Hungry’ Afghanistan. https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2022/08/15/joe-who-abc-avoids-bidens-name-report-sad-hungry-afghanistan AP: Afghanistan marks one year since Taliban seizure as woes mount. https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-poverty-economy-kabul-taliban-cc5a327e607fd5fa1f64eae0e152e973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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