Sundancer Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 22 hours ago, Big Blitz said: There have already been some studies on this point. Seems reasonable for those who are not at risk. Long term immunity is only 18 months old so clearly we need more data there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhh9327 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Sundancer said: There have already been some studies on this point. Seems reasonable for those who are not at risk. Long term immunity is only 18 months old so clearly we need more data there. Thank you for this (missed that the article was from Big Blitz). My family is in this situation (COVID recovered and low-risk category) and it's frustrating to find so little data on the benefit of the vaccine in their situation. Edited August 3, 2021 by jhh9327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jhh9327 said: Thank you for this (missed that the article was from Big Blitz). My family is in this situation (COVID recovered and low-risk category) and it's frustrating to find so little data on the benefit of the vaccine in their situation. Big Blitz is a pretty dubious source tbh. And don't take my word or his word. Talk to your doctor. We're just internet people. Since late June in VA: Edited August 3, 2021 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, jhh9327 said: Thank you for this (missed that the article was from Big Blitz). My family is in this situation (COVID recovered and low-risk category) and it's frustrating to find so little data on the benefit of the vaccine in their situation. What is frustrating to me is why health officials refuse to recognize the "natural" immunity that recovered individuals have through antibodies their immune system generated as a result of the infection. Some 35M recovered and likely a lot more that don't even realize they were infected and recovered. The overall goal should be counting and focusing on the number of people that have immunity not on how many shots were taken. This is not synonymous with the number of vaccinated. The other part is those with natural immunity. A simple antibody test will identify who has immunity and who doesn't. And trying to vaccinate people that have natural immunity is in contradiction to the principals guiding medical necessity. Plus given the effective rate of the vaccines we should expect about 5% of those vaccinated to have generated no immune response which means they are under the impression they have immunity when they do not. That's about 7 million people walking around thinking they have protection. Which is a worse situation than being un-vaccinated. I suspect the break-thru cases are situations when the vaccine didn't result in generating antibodies rather than the antibodies didn't work. Edited August 3, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) Going to be years before kids eat in a restaurant again in NYC Yep. Systemic racism. But they don't care this about making sure the racist Whites in Manhattan are fully segregated....I mean vaccinated Edited August 3, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SCBills Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 NYC is back!!! 🤡🤡🤡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) Per CNN, no vaccine no normal life....no questions asked because journalism The Pegula's, who you know are.....not Democrats.....that threat to move to Austin, I have no doubt now that threat is 100% serious. Why would you live and work in a police state? Edited August 3, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 It’s a wonderful day today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sundancer Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: What is frustrating to me is why health officials refuse to recognize the "natural" immunity that recovered individuals have through antibodies their immune system generated as a result of the infection. Some 35M recovered and likely a lot more that don't even realize they were infected and recovered. The overall goal should be counting and focusing on the number of people that have immunity not on how many shots were taken. This is not synonymous with the number of vaccinated. The other part is those with natural immunity. A simple antibody test will identify who has immunity and who doesn't. And trying to vaccinate people that have natural immunity is in contradiction to the principals guiding medical necessity. It doesn't matter to our vaccination to "know" this. We have plenty of vaccine (in the US). If someone had immunity unbeknownst to them and gets the shot, big deal. They should not [edit to add "not] have to do this but if it happens, it happens. Quote Plus given the effective rate of the vaccines we should expect about 5% of those vaccinated to have generated no immune response You said this before. I don't see it. I see lots of studies about effectiveness in preventing Covid, not "no immune response." The study I see on antibodies shows 1 out of 182 developed no antibodies post shot. Do you have others? Quote which means they are under the impression they have immunity when they do not. That's about 7 million people walking around thinking they have protection. Which is a worse situation than being un-vaccinated. I suspect the break-thru cases are situations when the vaccine didn't result in generating antibodies rather than the antibodies didn't work. Your first bold statement is only true if unvaccinated are not engaging in mass events, immediately quarantine on getting covid etc. That's an assumption I'd question. Your second bold statement is something we don't know. Edited August 3, 2021 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: RIP 6 minutes ago, Sundancer said: It doesn't matter to our vaccination to "know" this. We have plenty of vaccine (in the US). If someone had immunity unbeknownst to them and gets the shot, big deal. They should have to do this but if it happens, it happens. You said this before. I don't see it. I see lots of studies about effectiveness in preventing Covid, not "no immune response." The study I see on antibodies shows 1 out of 182 developed no antibodies post shot. Do you have others? Your first bold statement is only true if unvaccinated are not engaging in mass events, immediately quarantine on getting covid etc. That's an assumption I'd question. Your second bold statement is something we don't know. If you have immunity already then getting the vaccine is an unnecessary medical procedure. And medical practitioners generally follow the practice of not recommending or performing unnecessary procedures. This isn't some decision that should reside in the realm of government bureaucratic dictates. My assessment of the first is based on the difference between perceived risk and actual risk. In this case I think I've got immunity but I don't. The second as I said "I suspect" is an "theory" that requires validation. Edited August 3, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: If you have immunity already then getting the vaccine is an unnecessary medical procedure. No disagreement there based on what we now know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: RIP We can't let fear be the motivating factor the controls every aspect of life here. And the issue isn't what restrictions we need or if you support or don't support them. The issue is demanding that the fundamental principals of democracy be followed. Simply, what gives the Mayor dictatorial authority to promulgate and legislate law and restrictions on who can and cannot enter a private business? What's next? de Balsio telling residents of the city who they can and cannot allow into their homes? I support common sense restrictions but I don't support the executive branch of government at all levels abusing "emergency powers" to so they can bypass the elected legislature where such actions can be debated among supporters and opponents in order to give the proposals a fair and public hearing. Is that too much to ask? That we follow the process of elected democracy and refuse to cede power to dictatorial edicts. That's pretty much it. We've got a bunch of petty wanna-be dictators that are drunk with power that are content with bypassing and ignoring the fundamental principals and mechanisms of democracy. Edited August 3, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: We can't let fear be the motivating factor the controls every aspect of life here. And the issue isn't what restrictions we need or if you support or don't support them. The issue is demanding that the fundamental principals of democracy be followed. Simply, what gives the Mayor dictatorial authority to promulgate and legislate law and restrictions on who can and cannot enter a private business? What's next? de Balsio telling residents of the city who they can and cannot allow into their homes? I support common sense restrictions but I don't support the executive branch of government at all levels abusing "emergency powers" to so they can bypass the elected legislature where such actions can be debated among supporters and opponents in order to give the proposals a fair and public hearing. Is that too much to ask? That we follow the process of elected democracy and refuse to cede power to dictatorial edicts. The selevtive choice of businesses alone should make this Unconstitutional. Pathetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Just now, Big Blitz said: The selevtive choice of businesses alone should make this Unconstitutional. Pathetic. Assuming the courts have the courage to enforce those fundamental rights and courage is in short supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Time to pay the piper. Vaccine Mandates Aren’t Enough. Make Unvaccinated People Pay If They Harm Others. https://www.barrons.com/articles/coronavirus-vaccine-mask-mandate-unvaccinated-51627939803?mod=hp_COMMENTARY_1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Governor said: Time to pay the piper. Vaccine Mandates Aren’t Enough. Make Unvaccinated People Pay If They Harm Others. https://www.barrons.com/articles/coronavirus-vaccine-mask-mandate-unvaccinated-51627939803?mod=hp_COMMENTARY_1 Who they harming that vaccinated aren't? The vaccinated are carrying around more viral load so... I'll say this..."time to pay the piper" might be the most compelling scientific justification I've heard yet to get vaccinated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Who they harming that vaccinated aren't? The vaccinated are carrying around more viral load so... I'll say this..."time to pay the piper" might be the most compelling scientific justification I've heard yet to get vaccinated! It’s got to fit on a bumper sticker or Republican voters can’t understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 De Blasio finishing up strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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