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The Frankish Reich Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Country A is at War with "Country" (semi-autonomous entity) B. They are both firing rockets at each other. Something blows up in Country B. It is natural and obvious to attribute that to Country A. Later, if new facts emerge, that may change. This is no different than what happens when it turns out that a U.S. serviceman in Afghanistan is wounded, and it turns out that it was due to friendly fire. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 As a result of this lie, American embassies are attacked in Countries D, E, and F No big deal, happens all the time. . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 NY Times' Front Page Picture for Gaza Explosion Story Couldn't Possibly Be More Misleading https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/18/ny-times-front-page-pic-for-gaza-hospital-explosion-story-couldnt-possibly-be-more-misleading-n2388683 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommy Callahan Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Country A is at War with "Country" (semi-autonomous entity) B. They are both firing rockets at each other. Something blows up in Country B. It is natural and obvious to attribute that to Country A. Later, if new facts emerge, that may change. This is no different than what happens when it turns out that a U.S. serviceman in Afghanistan is wounded, and it turns out that it was due to friendly fire. maybe its the fog of war. maybe its the same investors for the military industrial also sit on the boards of corporate media. But same crap played out countless times with Ukraine reporting. Like Danzel said, they rush for first. and in turn, dont worry about details or facts. Denzel Washington Blasts the Media on Dishonesty and 'Fake News' - YouTube Edited October 18, 2023 by Tommy Callahan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Finding Qanon with another gem. The problem is not waiting for ANY facts to emerge before pushing out your BS reporting while treating terrorist propaganda as fact at any point in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommy Callahan Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: . Didn't Orwell call that "newspeak" it's a fine example of it. They call them militants when they are terrorist that are also terrorizing the Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 The thing to understand is that — just as in the Michael Brown / George Floyd era — these false reports aren’t just the result of bias or sloppiness. They’re intentional propaganda, designed to justify a violent response like riots in city centers, or at U.S. embassies. It doesn’t matter if/when they’re proven false. And yes, the press outlets involved know all this and are complicit. JIM TREACHER: The Curious Case of the Hospital That Didn’t Blow Up. As it turns out, the people who behead babies and lie about it will also lie about other stuff. Yesterday we got the news that Israel blew up a hospital in Gaza and killed 500 people. However, there were a few minor, nitpicky problems with the story: 1) The hospital wasn’t blown up, 2) Nowhere near 500 people were killed, and 3) Israel had nothing to do with it. It didn’t happen the way Hamas claimed it happened. A misfiring Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket hit the hospital. It torched some cars in the parking lot and killed some unfortunate people, but not 500. That’s awful for the people who were killed, but Israel didn’t kill them. If any of this is a shock to you, then you must work in the media. https://jimtreacher.substack.com/p/the-curious-case-of-the-hospital?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=206067&post_id=138072949&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=131lq&utm_medium=email 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Didn't Orwell call that "newspeak" it's a fine example of it. They call them militants when they are terrorist that are also terrorizing the Palestinians. More just like altering history to control the narrative. Orwellian newspeak was an attempt to make language less expressive and people easier to control. It was double plus good, just like the New York Times... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, B-Man said: The thing to understand is that — just as in the Michael Brown / George Floyd era — these false reports aren’t just the result of bias or sloppiness. They’re intentional propaganda, designed to justify a violent response like riots in city centers, or at U.S. embassies. It doesn’t matter if/when they’re proven false. And yes, the press outlets involved know all this and are complicit. JIM TREACHER: The Curious Case of the Hospital That Didn’t Blow Up. As it turns out, the people who behead babies and lie about it will also lie about other stuff. Yesterday we got the news that Israel blew up a hospital in Gaza and killed 500 people. However, there were a few minor, nitpicky problems with the story: 1) The hospital wasn’t blown up, 2) Nowhere near 500 people were killed, and 3) Israel had nothing to do with it. It didn’t happen the way Hamas claimed it happened. A misfiring Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket hit the hospital. It torched some cars in the parking lot and killed some unfortunate people, but not 500. That’s awful for the people who were killed, but Israel didn’t kill them. If any of this is a shock to you, then you must work in the media. https://jimtreacher.substack.com/p/the-curious-case-of-the-hospital?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=206067&post_id=138072949&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=131lq&utm_medium=email Isn't believing Israeli intelligence (one of the combatants, with a vested interest in showing that it did not attack a hospital, a war crime) without question, seconded by the USA (which has expressed support for Israel), just an example of the same thing? The "fact" is we don't know anything for sure, at least not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Another means to reduce cognitive dissonance is selective exposure. This theory has been discussed since the early days of Festinger's proposal of cognitive dissonance. He noticed that people would selectively expose themselves to some media over others; specifically, they would avoid dissonant messages and prefer consonant messages.[14] Through selective exposure, people actively (and selectively) choose what to watch, view, or read that fit to their current state of mind, mood or beliefs.[15] In other words, consumers select attitude-consistent information and avoid attitude-challenging information.[16] This can be applied to media, news, music, and any other messaging channel. The idea is, choosing something that is in opposition to how you feel or believe in will increase cognitive dissonance. (stress) In fact, recent research has suggested that while a discrepancy between cognitions drives individuals to crave for attitude-consistent information, the experience of negative emotions drives individuals to avoid counter attitudinal information. In other words, it is the psychological discomfort which activates selective exposure as a dissonance-reduction strategy (avoid the stresser) The contradiction of a belief, ideal, or system of values causes cognitive dissonance that can be resolved by changing the challenged belief, yet, instead of effecting change, the resultant mental stress restores psychological consonance to the person by misperception, rejection, or refutation of the contradiction, seeking moral support from people who share the contradicted beliefs or acting to persuade other people that the contradiction is unreal The corporate media/social media companies know and profits from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 If you believe a word from Hamas...you might be incredibly stupid. And wait, the hospital wasn't hit and 500 people didn't die? Just when you thought Hamas couldn't sink into the cesspool any more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Doc said: If you believe a word from Hamas...you might be incredibly stupid. And wait, the hospital wasn't hit and 500 people didn't die? Just when you thought Hamas couldn't sink into the cesspool any more... At first I thought that, how did they expect to get away with this lie ? When the sun came up this morning the hospital was still going to be there. And then I started to read responses from around the world and here also, It showed me why. It doesn't matter that it was disproved, the lie is fact now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, B-Man said: They’re intentional propaganda, designed to justify a violent response like riots in city centers, or at U.S. embassies. It doesn’t matter if/when they’re proven false. And yes, the press outlets involved know all this and are complicit Edited October 18, 2023 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Country A is at War with "Country" (semi-autonomous entity) B. They are both firing rockets at each other. Something blows up in Country B. It is natural and obvious to attribute that to Country A. Later, if new facts emerge, that may change. This is no different than what happens when it turns out that a U.S. serviceman in Afghanistan is wounded, and it turns out that it was due to friendly fire. You are actually defending calling innocent people terrorists? Seriously WTF is wrong with you. BTW country B is run by a literal terrorist organization so maybe an intelligent person waits for confirmation that a hospital actually was blown up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: You are actually defending calling innocent people terrorists? I don't know where you got that. Stop making things up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 42 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: You are actually defending calling innocent people terrorists? Seriously WTF is wrong with you. BTW country B is run by a literal terrorist organization so maybe an intelligent person waits for confirmation that a hospital actually was blown up? He's too busy looking for qanon and then telling us that we're all supporting whatever nonsense he finds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 55 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I don't know where you got that. Stop making things up. Someone who indiscriminately bombs hospitals is a terrorist, how else would you define those actions? The NYT called the Israelis terrorist by blaming them for this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 41 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Someone who indiscriminately bombs hospitals is a terrorist, how else would you define those actions? The NYT called the Israelis terrorist by blaming them for this. Well that's certainly a circuitous route ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 3 hours ago, B-Man said: At first I thought that, how did they expect to get away with this lie ? When the sun came up this morning the hospital was still going to be there. And then I started to read responses from around the world and here also, It showed me why. It doesn't matter that it was disproved, the lie is fact now. I've searched and nowhere have I seen that it's still standing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 12 hours ago, B-Man said: At first I thought that, how did they expect to get away with this lie ? When the sun came up this morning the hospital was still going to be there. And then I started to read responses from around the world and here also, It showed me why. It doesn't matter that it was disproved, the lie is fact now. Going deeper into the false coverage... Notice the main thrust of the reporting was never about the 500 dead, efforts to bring aid to the victims or anything of the sort. The main thrust was to blame Isreal. If it was about being first to report, how hard is this headline? Explosion near Gaza Hospital. Hamas, Isreal Blame Each Other. Unconfirmed Casualties Could Climb To 500. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 9 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well that's certainly a circuitous route ... Not circuitous at all, stating this group did an action that everyone agrees is terrorism. Apparently that concept is hard for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Wait...is Finding Qanon dancing around and hand waving in defense of terrorists? How very Qanon-ish of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) "axis of evil", "GOP rebels", Natalee Holloway, "Fetterman slaps down squad", "the devil", "hero"...it's dumbed down, dualist "news" for morons. everything is simple black or white. No gray. No attempt at explanations or motivations. Violence is entertainment. And these are supposed to be journalists. A profession known for its innate longing to ask and answer difficult questions and for intellectualism. Fox is helping destroy America through propaganda and kindergarten level reporting (the headlines in the link will change. the quality of the reporting won't): https://www.foxnews.com Compare. While far from perfect, more "fair and balanced" with stories on both sides of the potentially most impactful story and war in decades and no titillation for idiots living lives of quiet desperation: https://www.cnn.com and before you all start throwing around "elite" here's what intellectualism actually means (good in journalists, agree?): the exercise of the intellect at the expense of the emotions. PHILOSOPHY the theory that knowledge is wholly or mainly derived from pure reason; rationalism. Edited October 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 26 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: "axis of evil", "GOP rebels", Natalee Holloway, "Fetterman slaps down squad", "the devil", "hero"...it's dumbed down, dualist "news" for morons. everything is simple black or white. No gray. No attempt at explanations or motivations. Violence is entertainment. And these are supposed to be journalists. A profession known for its innate longing to ask and answer difficult questions and for intellectualism. Fox is helping destroy America through propaganda and kindergarten level reporting (the headlines in the link will change. the quality of the reporting won't): https://www.foxnews.com Compare. While far from perfect, more "fair and balanced" with stories on both sides of the potentially most impactful story and war in decades and no titillation for idiots living lives of quiet desperation: https://www.cnn.com and before you all start throwing around "elite" here's what intellectualism actually means (good in journalists, agree?): the exercise of the intellect at the expense of the emotions. PHILOSOPHY the theory that knowledge is wholly or mainly derived from pure reason; rationalism. You must have missed the intellectualism (good in journalism) in the changing headlines and reporting in the NYT, aka “The Paper of Record” over the last 48-72 hours. Your hiatus did nothing for your “awareness”. Pity. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: You must have missed the intellectualism (good in journalism) in the changing headlines and reporting in the NYT, aka “The Paper of Record” over the last 48-72 hours. Your hiatus did nothing for your “awareness”. Pity. Journalists working in respected acclaimed outlets generally do their best. sometimes they don't and make mistakes- like in any profession, medicine for example. sometimes they're just not any good. Watch for the outlets with consistently nuanced and balanced reporting. u won't find that on Fox. Edited October 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Journalists working in respected acclaimed outlets generally do their best. sometimes they don't and make mistakes- like in any profession, medicine for example. sometimes they're just not any good. Watch for the outlets with consistently nuanced and balanced reorting. u won't find that on Fox. Once upon a time, perhaps. Media outlets, no matter which side they are on, are no longer about reporting. They are about advocating. Everyone knows that. Seeing these journalists as truth seekers is more than a little naive. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/opinion/the-public-editor-is-the-new-york-times-a-liberal-newspaper.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said: Not circuitous at all, stating this group did an action that everyone agrees is terrorism. Apparently that concept is hard for you. How about "Israeli missile misses target, hits parking lot outside hospital." Which was certainly possible, now looking unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Once upon a time, perhaps. Media outlets, no matter which side they are on, are no longer about reporting. They are about advocating. Everyone knows that. Seeing these journalists as truth seekers is more than a little naive. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/opinion/the-public-editor-is-the-new-york-times-a-liberal-newspaper.html "Some are more equal than others" - Orwell. https://www.purevpn.com/blog/unbiased-news-sources/ https://www.makeuseof.com/top-unbiased-news-sources/ And my fav from League of Women voters https://my.lwv.org/california/torrance-area/article/how-reliable-your-news-source-understanding-media-bias-2022 Edited October 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 LMAO. referencing very biased sites to tell one what source are trustworthy. LMAO. In reality some lies got the terrorist supporters to loudly tell everyone exactly what they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 42 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: referencing very biased sites to tell one what source are trustworthy. Notice eye roll never calls out any of the 💩 Bonnie posts from REDSTATE and all the other pathetic “sources” she shares? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Just now, BillStime said: Notice eye roll never calls out any of the 💩 Bonnie posts from REDSTATE and all the other pathetic “sources” she shares? its like one of you post something, then the other replies following the same exact script. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: its like one of you post something, then the other replies following the same exact script. Will you stop embarrassing @BillsFanNCand his girl Julie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: How about "Israeli missile misses target, hits parking lot outside hospital." Which was certainly possible, now looking unlikely. How about not reporting on something based on what Hamas claims? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Tommy Callahan said: LMAO. referencing very biased sites to tell one what source are trustworthy. LMAO. In reality some lies got the terrorist supporters to loudly tell everyone exactly what they are. Post some ranking sources for media bias that you approve of....Sure, WSJ is far left. Moron. 28 minutes ago, Doc said: How about not reporting on something based on what Hamas claims? How bout you trade in your lab coat for a helmet and go report for us? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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