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26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Teams have tried winning that way for years. The margin for error in the NFL is too thin to be a consistent winning team without a top quarterback.

 

True, it isn't the way I would want to do it, but if you keep getting to the playoffs you just never know.

 

A flag that is not thrown (CLE/KC), a flag that is thrown (GB/TB), a bad snap at the wrong time (CLE/PIT) and the entire game can change. 

 

I wouldn't bet on a team like CLE or BAL winning it all, because as you said the margin is small, but if a couple breaks go their way they can absolutely win it all. 

 

The more talented team doesn't always in a single elimination scenario. Both Cleveland and Baltimore have plenty of talent, but also can become extremely dangerous if a few things go their way in a given game. 

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8 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

2021 Browns schedule besides Steelers 2x, Ravens 2x, Bengals 2x. 

 

Cardinals-@Patriots-@Vikings-@Chargers-@Chiefs-@Packers-Texans-Lions-Bears-Raiders-Broncos. 

 

Cleveland has the #9th toughest schedule in 2021. 

 

https://fbschedules.com/cleveland-browns-schedule/

 

Unless Baker Mayfield hits another level I don't see Cleveland making the playoffs in 2021. JMO

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I count double digit wins there pretty easily. Cleveland is making the playoffs.

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The way people are acting as if the Browns have won anything yet makes me want them to fall on their collective asses tbh. And I like the Browns, it just seems like the "team that wins the offseason" almost always disappoints.

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6 minutes ago, Boxcar said:

The way people are acting as if the Browns have won anything yet makes me want them to fall on their collective asses tbh. And I like the Browns, it just seems like the "team that wins the offseason" almost always disappoints.

No one is acting like the Browns have won anything.  The message I’ve received from those not hating on the browns:  it looks like the Browns have done an incredible job acquiring talent.  Some say that they have bypassed the Bills in talent, but still need to get it done on the field. I haven’t seen anyone say they’ve done anything but “win the offseason”.  The media is saying a lot of the same.  People love what the Browns did in the draft and offseason all together.  
 

I’ve always hated cleveland teams in every sport, but I have high grades on a lot of the players that they’ve acquired.  The run game is for real and Baker has the tools to “be good enough” to win a SB if the team is talented enough, imo. 

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5 hours ago, billsrul120 said:

I can agree with the idea that Mayfield could improve with more time in the system but a more important point is to look at how the Stefanski introduced a run first system knowing that Mayfield would be his QB.  They don't think it's a good recipe for him to be controlling the game with his arm which is telling in a league that is more and more reliant on throwing.  Good luck paying him as a top quarterback when your system is designed to deemphasize the QB. 

 

Stefanski prioritized the run in Minnesota too. And Chubb is a top tier RB, as is Hunt. It would be stupid to NOT prioritize the run. 

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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I count double digit wins there pretty easily. Cleveland is making the playoffs.

Yeah I think so too. Curious how Baker does still though. Still don't see him doing quite enough myself. We'll see....

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4 hours ago, NewEra said:

No one is acting like the Browns have won anything.  The message I’ve received from those not hating on the browns:  it looks like the Browns have done an incredible job acquiring talent.  Some say that they have bypassed the Bills in talent, but still need to get it done on the field. I haven’t seen anyone say they’ve done anything but “win the offseason”.  The media is saying a lot of the same.  People love what the Browns did in the draft and offseason all together.  
 

I’ve always hated cleveland teams in every sport, but I have high grades on a lot of the players that they’ve acquired.  The run game is for real and Baker has the tools to “be good enough” to win a SB if the team is talented enough, imo. 

Not people here, silly. I'm talking about pundits, like Keyshawn Johnson.

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3 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

Stefanski prioritized the run in Minnesota too. And Chubb is a top tier RB, as is Hunt. It would be stupid to NOT prioritize the run. 

Passing is more valuable om a down to down basis than running.  If a team is prioritizing the run they either don't understand today's game or know that the QB is incapable.

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39 minutes ago, billsrul120 said:

Passing is more valuable om a down to down basis than running.  If a team is prioritizing the run they either don't understand today's game or know that the QB is incapable.

 

Yes, passing is more valuable, to an extent. If you have the best online or close, and the best RB duo in the game, you run the ball. Period. Teams are built to stop the pass now, so if you can establish the run, you do. Also, if defense is a weakness, then running helps mask that to an extent. 

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We won't know for sure until the season is in full swing, but FWIW...KC has the toughest schedule in 2021.  Buf has something like 3rd easiest.  The first round bye is LEGIT.  

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4 hours ago, Boxcar said:

Not people here, silly. I'm talking about pundits, like Keyshawn Johnson.

Idk.....i watch the majority of the daily talk shows on YouTube and I haven’t seen anyone crown them anything other than the winners of the offseason.  Not many have the Browns inside the top 4.  Many don’t even have them too 6-7.  
 

the Browns are being talked about more than us and the majority of the teams because they made splashy signings as they had more cap room.  We didn’t add much of anything new except Breida and Sanders in FA other than resigning our players (which isn’t deemed as splashy, even though they are very important).  The browns had a splashy draft.  We added several long term pieces that will pay dividends, mostly down the road.

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14 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Teams have tried winning that way for years. The margin for error in the NFL is too thin to be a consistent winning team without a top quarterback.

I agree.

 

In 2019 the 49ers had a dominating run game, they were #2 in attempts, #2 in rush yards, #1 in rush TDs.

 

In the first round of the playoffs beating Minnesota 27-10. Rushing 47 times for 186 2 TDs. Jimmy G, 11 of 19 for 131, 1 TD, 1 INT. 

 

Beating Green Bay 37-20 in the playoffs by rushing 42 of 285, 4TDs. Meanwhile...Jimmy G went 6 of 8 for 77 yards. 

 

Then ran into the Chiefs in the super bowl where they lost 31-20. The run game not as good in this game only rushing 22 times for 141, 1 TD. Although Jimmy G threw 31 times in this game he just couldn't get it done against that defense. 20 of 31 for 219 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT. 

 

A better QB would have won that SB. This and injuries are probably why the 49ers went after a new QB. JMO

 

 

That AFC North is a tough division and the 2020 Steelers had a +104 point differential. The Ravens had a +165 point differential. The Browns had a -11 point differential. 

In my view they played a rather weak 2020 schedule. The Browns Ranking 31st in strength of schedule 2020 http://powerrankingsguru.com/nfl/strength-of-schedule.php

 

I'll stand by what I said in that Cleveland doesn't make the playoffs in 2021 unless Mayfield hits another level. 

 

 

 

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On 5/7/2021 at 1:44 PM, GoBills808 said:

Teams have tried winning that way for years. The margin for error in the NFL is too thin to be a consistent winning team without a top quarterback.

 

Bills tried winning that way in 2015 with Rex, right? 

 

That was the blueprint, right? we got a top-4 defense, we're gonna bring in Greg Roman who took the 49ers to two conference championships and the Superbowl with a top-5 defense and top-5 rushing attack plus a bottom-of-the-league passing attack that was just effective enough to keep teams from playing the run.  So we'll bring in Shady McCoy, we'll use Tyrod Taylor as a dual threat QB who can throw a pretty nice deep ball to a wide-open WR.

 

The Bills went 9-7 and just missed the playoffs by one game the previous year with a #4 D and #18 offense, so it kind of made sense - if you can just improve the offense to middle-of-the-pack or better, you should be able to win 1-2 more games and "get ready, we're going!"

 

Well, we know how that story ended.  The offense improved from #18 to #12, but the defense plummeted from #4 to #15 (19th on yards).

 

To do the Browns justice, I think they have good coaching, strong defense, and a lot of offensive pieces.  But it all has to come together, and a re-focused Baker needs to take a step and be more consistent game to game.

 

 

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On 5/7/2021 at 2:44 PM, GoBills808 said:

Teams have tried winning that way for years. The margin for error in the NFL is too thin to be a consistent winning team without a top quarterback.

I think Baker deserves more credit than a game manager.... he's not a top 5 QB but arguably top 12, IMO.

 

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On 5/7/2021 at 8:43 PM, Boxcar said:

Not people here, silly. I'm talking about pundits, like Keyshawn Johnson.

 

Er, isn't that the very premise of the OP for this entire thread?  That by virtue of last season's showing and the off-season's additions, the Browns have moved past the Bills and are now the premier challenger to KC in the AFC?

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On 5/8/2021 at 2:07 AM, NewEra said:

Idk.....i watch the majority of the daily talk shows on YouTube and I haven’t seen anyone crown them anything other than the winners of the offseason.  Not many have the Browns inside the top 4.  Many don’t even have them too 6-7.  
 

the Browns are being talked about more than us and the majority of the teams because they made splashy signings as they had more cap room.  We didn’t add much of anything new except Breida and Sanders in FA other than resigning our players (which isn’t deemed as splashy, even though they are very important).  The browns had a splashy draft.  We added several long term pieces that will pay dividends, mostly down the road.


 

I totally agree with what you are saying.
 

The biggest issue is: the OP and original point was that the Browns by virtue of the off-season have supplanted the Bills and are right now #2 in the AFC.  The title of the thread is literally 1.) Chiefs 2.) Browns 3.) Bills.

 

So while I totally agree the pundits seem to have the Browns 5th in the AFC and Vegas have them 9th or so in SB odds - the original point of this thread seems to be focused on the Browns via the draft and FA signings - now being the second best AFC team.

 

I went through the rosters via position groups and do not see a huge advantage either way.  The best player on either team is Allen by a wide margin.  The second best player is either Diggs or Chubb.  Myles Garrett is the best Defensive player on either team for what that is worth.

 

My feeling is last year the Browns played the schedule that the Bills played 2 years ago - “easy path” and nearly screwed them selves up with a late season loss to the Jets.  They squeaked into the playoffs and then by virtue of catching a very depleted and dejected Pittsburgh team got a playoff win.  This year that cupcake schedule becomes the juggernaut schedule the Bills faced.  They will need to be better just to get a record near as good.

 

The Bills on the other hand played a juggernaut schedule with the most playoff teams in the out of the contenders and produced a better record and were a significantly better team.  That schedule should back off significantly this year and the team has now dealt with some degree of expectations.  They should be ready to go.

 

Talent wise the 2 teams are close, but the #1 difference is the best player is Josh by far and that supersedes any minor talent gap in other places.  The coaching is also better and more attuned to today’s NFL in Buffalo. 
 

 

 

 

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Browns had one of the easiest schedules last year. The best team they beat was the Colts, just about every other win was against below .500 teams. They also got lucky with an imploding Steelers who sat players to gift them an in.

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