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35 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't want to argue "more athletic and stronger" at this point (don't bet the rent money Lamp against Boettger though) but keep in mind that after playing 16 games at LG, the Chargers let him walk and he wound up signing a contract for vet minimum with very little guaranteed, one month into FA. 

 

Ask yourself why is that, if he's more athletic and stronger than any of the guys he's competing with on a decidedly average interior OL and such a great pass blocker?

 

 

That's your opinion, but whether it's Bobby Johnson's opinion or Brandon Beane's opinion is TBD.  I don't think they agree with you - though the reason they brought him in is that every season is a new year and they're hedging their bets in case their expectations for Ford and Feliciano are not fulfilled.

 

BTW what's Lamp's history playing elsewhere than LG?

 

 

I agree with you that the Bills will not let $$ stop them from making playing or roster decisions based on skill.  So it's inconsequential to the discussion of who is the best during the season, but it probably reflects the team's current perception of value going into the season, wouldn't you agree?

 

Agree that is my hope.  I have to say that his run blocking last year was not good, but perhaps he was fighting through hampering injuries.

In which case his injury history is a concern.

 

 

Disagree.  When used in the run game according to his skill set, Morse is an excellent run blocker.

 

 

I love me some Mongo, but No on both points.  I thought he showed better in 2019 than this past season, so perhaps injuries hampered him, but he's not a better center than Morse and some of his blocking (both pass and run) last season was best described as "porous".  Some of his shotgun snaps left me saying "it's a good thing our QB is 6'5" with long arms"

 

People don't realize that Feliciano staying an extra game at C once Morse returned may have had as much to do with Feliciano as with Morse once Ford went out for the season (he's said that C was easier for him to play than G with the injury)

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Darryl Williams' starting spot is quite safe. But Brown is a nice prospect.    The guard spots should see a nice battle. I like Lamp. (I love Lamp?)

My understanding is that Brown has a ways to go in his development, so I think we're looking at a move like this in 2022 at the earliest 

I know we extended Darryl Williams this year, however, with especially Spencer Brown, it will be interesting to see if he lights it up at RT... maybe Williams goes to swing or guard.   Watch

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't want to argue "more athletic and stronger" at this point (don't bet the rent money Lamp against Boettger though) but keep in mind that after playing 16 games at LG, the Chargers let him walk and he wound up signing a contract for vet minimum with very little guaranteed, one month into FA. 

 

Ask yourself why is that, if he's more athletic and stronger than any of the guys he's competing with on a decidedly average interior OL and such a great pass blocker?

 

 

That's your opinion, but whether it's Bobby Johnson's opinion or Brandon Beane's opinion is TBD.  I don't think they agree with you - though the reason they brought him in is that every season is a new year and they're hedging their bets in case their expectations for Ford and Feliciano are not fulfilled.

 

BTW what's Lamp's history playing elsewhere than LG?

 

 

I agree with you that the Bills will not let $$ stop them from making playing or roster decisions based on skill.  So it's inconsequential to the discussion of who is the best during the season, but it probably reflects the team's current perception of value going into the season, wouldn't you agree?

 

 

Good takes and makes sense. And all of that is my opinion. I consider myself somewhat of an Online guru. Been a varsity coach 13 years and it's what I study, but that doesn't make me an expert. Definitely my opinion based on what I see. Lamp was drafted right after they picked Zay Jones, so I wonder if he was high on our board. No way of knowing that, but I think it is just a case of adding a guy with a lot of upside for competitive purposes. I also like Ryan Bates more than most and I am not a Feliciano fan. To me he's more bark than bite. You can't be rah rah lets run the football and then complete whiff and blow blocks. Now if we can transfer his attitude and effort onto one of these more "talented" guys, you have the makings of a special player. 

 

I agree with @GunnerBill in that Morse has really underachieved as has Ford. Those are major issues to me as well. If you cut Morse and plugged Bates in at center, I don't think there would be a much, if any, drop off in play. Myae some issues with communication, which is where Morse excels. Ford is still raw and very young, but he's been a huge disappointment.

 

On Lamp, I actually think he project to be a very good center. He was a college left tackle and has played both left and right guard in the pros.  

 

 

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13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Good takes and makes sense. And all of that is my opinion. I consider myself somewhat of an Online guru. Been a varsity coach 13 years and it's what I study, but that doesn't make me an expert. Definitely my opinion based on what I see. Lamp was drafted right after they picked Zay Jones, so I wonder if he was high on our board. No way of knowing that, but I think it is just a case of adding a guy with a lot of upside for competitive purposes. I also like Ryan Bates more than most and I am not a Feliciano fan. To me he's more bark than bite. You can't be rah rah lets run the football and then complete whiff and blow blocks. Now if we can transfer his attitude and effort onto one of these more "talented" guys, you have the makings of a special player. 

 

I agree with @GunnerBill in that Morse has really underachieved as has Ford. Those are major issues to me as well. If you cut Morse and plugged Bates in at center, I don't think there would be a much, if any, drop off in play. Myae some issues with communication, which is where Morse excels. Ford is still raw and very young, but he's been a huge disappointment.

 

On Lamp, I actually think he project to be a very good center. He was a college left tackle and has played both left and right guard in the pros.  

 

 

 

I also start from the maybe biased perspective of having really liked Lamp in his draft but I agree with much of this. I think in terms of potential talent upgrade from our 2020 line to 2021 Lamp hitting is really the only route I see. 

 

I do agree on Feliciano as well. As much as I think he isn't the biggest problem (if your smallest resource investment in the oline plays at a Feliciano level I think you are not in a bad place) I agree fans love his attitude and that blinds them at times to some of his play. 

 

I agree less on Bates. I guess I class myself as a Bates sceptic. I just don't love what I see on the field from him despite him getting a fair amount of buzz since he has been here. His display at tackle (which I accept is not his best spot) in the 2019 week 17 game made Jordan Mills look like Orlando Pace. 

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20 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Good takes and makes sense. And all of that is my opinion. I consider myself somewhat of an Online guru. Been a varsity coach 13 years and it's what I study, but that doesn't make me an expert. Definitely my opinion based on what I see. Lamp was drafted right after they picked Zay Jones, so I wonder if he was high on our board. No way of knowing that, but I think it is just a case of adding a guy with a lot of upside for competitive purposes. I also like Ryan Bates more than most and I am not a Feliciano fan. To me he's more bark than bite. You can't be rah rah lets run the football and then complete whiff and blow blocks. Now if we can transfer his attitude and effort onto one of these more "talented" guys, you have the makings of a special player. 

 

I agree with @GunnerBill in that Morse has really underachieved as has Ford. Those are major issues to me as well. If you cut Morse and plugged Bates in at center, I don't think there would be a much, if any, drop off in play. Myae some issues with communication, which is where Morse excels. Ford is still raw and very young, but he's been a huge disappointment.

 

On Lamp, I actually think he project to be a very good center. He was a college left tackle and has played both left and right guard in the pros. 

 

Good response.  I'm not an OL guru but it's an area I pay a lot of attention to.  While I have your attention tell me what you know about Jamil Douglas?

 

I don't know if Lamp was high on the Bills board, but given they fired Whaley and all the scouts right after the draft, I'm not sure how much difference it makes?  I think he has talent and in fact he's part of the case I made for why Beane has done more with the OL than people think, in a different thread.  I'll be capitol-letters LAMP and link it:

 

Feliciano certainly whiffed and blew blocks in the run game last season, no argument there.  Whiffed and blew blocks in the passing game too.  What neither of us know is how much the Bills personnel assessment is of the role injuries played.  Same with Ford, although with him, when Beane says "he's played more games injured than healthy" as sort of an explanation for his disappointing performance, one thing I hear is "so can he stay healthy?"

 

I feel both Feliciano and Ford have the "benefit of the doubt" but I also feel that Beane is planning to have a healthy amount of competition at the guard position and the message has been thrown down 'get 'er done or sit down'

 

 

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20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I agree less on Bates. I guess I class myself as a Bates sceptic. I just don't love what I see on the field from him despite him getting a fair amount of buzz since he has been here. His display at tackle (which I accept is not his best spot) in the 2019 week 17 game made Jordan Mills look like Orlando Pace. 

 

Oh well hey now.  That was Then, this is Now.  Guys are allowed to improve.

 

I understand being a Bates skeptic, but I don't see how you can critique the drive where he played center against NE.  He did well.  IMHO the major reason Feliciano moved over to C was that as soon as Morse went out, Feliciano went from "snap count" to "whole game" and center was easier on him, Bates did that well. 

 

In 2019, he was a raw rookie seeing the field on offense for the first time at LT (2nd time ever he took significant snaps) with a pretty ineffective QB behind him.  How about this year vs. Seattle or Miami?  Did you notice?   vs Seattle, the announcers were all "oh, the Bills are playing with 3 backup OLmen" at one point, as we were perambulating the football down the field, so they actually didn't.  That's a good thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh well hey now.  That was Then, this is Now.  Guys are allowed to improve.

 

I understand being a Bates skeptic, but I don't see how you can critique the drive where he played center against NE.  He did well.  IMHO the major reason Feliciano moved over to C was that as soon as Morse went out, Feliciano went from "snap count" to "whole game" and center was easier on him, Bates did that well. 

 

In 2019, he was a raw rookie seeing the field on offense for the first time at LT (2nd time ever he took significant snaps) with a pretty ineffective QB behind him.  How about this year vs. Seattle or Miami?  Did you notice?   vs Seattle, the announcers were all "oh, the Bills are playing with 3 backup OLmen" at one point, as we were perambulating the football down the field, so they actually didn't.  That's a good thing.

 

 

He looked a bit better in limited snaps this year. He actually did really well when they bring him in for extra blocker situations. But his play on the field still hasn't justified him being more than a guy who has to justify his place on the roster in camp and pre-season to me. Don't get me wrong I think he makes the 53. But he is not a lock.

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On 5/4/2021 at 10:11 AM, Ya Digg? said:

I'm with you on this.  I keep reading that Feliciano is our nastiest lineman and we need that nastiness.  While that could be true (but VERY debatable) there's also a reason why he was cheap.  I would rather have him as a backup and a spot starter - he's not good enough to be a full time starter.  There were several times last year where he was completely knocked on his butt and the play was blown up because of that.  Don't get me wrong, I think he should be on the team, but I don't like him as a starter.  Nasty and mean and tough (and whatever other superlatives people are throwing at him) are fine, but I would rather have someone in there who is good

 

If you look at games from 2019, I think there was a lot less of Feliciano getting dumped on his butt or beaten.  So it's just possible that being able to train in the off-season vs. recovering from surgery, and being able to be at full strength vs recovering from a torn pec, makes a difference

 

3 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

I think if Cody Ford, does not workout at left guard I would like to see if he could play center because he has the nastiness and pull on traps and screens so if the bills are looking for a backup center try Cody there.

 

You know, at some point when a guy doesn't succeed at one position, you gotta stop seeing where maybe he'd work out better and just move the ***** on.

 

Don't get me wrong, I hope Ford works out at guard.  But he's had his shot at RT and he's gonna get his shot at Guard and do we really want to stake The Franchise on passing him off to Center?

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