Biden and the crises er challenge on the border

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Does anyone have evidence that the border states have exhausted all possibilities of working with the Feds or are they just playing childish political games?  Because if there is I'll change my stance.  But until then.........

Well, border security is a Federal responsibility and conditions have demonstrated they've abdicated that responsibility.  The border is not secure, the border is not closed, and the border is not under control.  So with limited to no authority to enforce Federal law what does anyone suggest the States do here?   

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Well, border security is a Federal responsibility and conditions have demonstrated they've abdicated that responsibility.  The border is not secure, the border is not closed, and the border is not under control.  So with limited to no authority to enforce Federal law what does anyone suggest the States do here?   

Well for one not act like a child and ship the migrants off to sanctuary cities.  How about use this as a rally for the mid terms and the 2024 election. Let the GOP regain control and allow them to work on border security. I know this doesn’t solve the problem of today but this has been decades in the making. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Sanctuary Cities Seethe as Illegal Immigrants Actually Arrive.

 

The surest sign that public policies are simply virtue signals is when the messages don’t cost anything. The easiest way to tell when that signal starts to fail is to watch politicians flounder as the costs start to rise and voters demand relief.

 

It was free—and meaningless—for progressive churches to post banners calling themselves “nuclear free zones” during the Reagan era. Their dwindling congregations loved it. It was free, after George Floyd‘s murder, to post woke catechism signs on your front lawn, proclaiming “In this house, we believe: Black Lives Matter, women’s rights are human rights, no human is illegal” and so on. Maybe the neighbors gave you high-fives. And for years it has been free for deep-blue cities to proclaim themselves “sanctuaries” for illegal immigrants. That’s changing now that voters want some sanctuary for themselves.

 

Changes like this happen when voters realize the old virtue signals actually entail serious costs—and that they will have to pay them. That is exactly what’s happening in New York City and Washington D.C. now that Texas governor Greg Abbott is sending those cities a few busloads of illegal immigrants from his state.

 

These progressive bastions were silent when the Biden administration flew planeloads of illegal immigrants to suburban airports in the middle of the night. TV coverage was prohibited, and the arrivals were secretly dispersed. Abbott’s buses, by contrast, arrive downtown greeted by local TV crews. Now you can hear the politicians screech.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/sanctuary-cities-seethe-illegal-immigrants-actually-arrive-opinion-1734120

 

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[Doc]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

How can they not be a pawn??

 

Let me ask you was his done to make a political statement?  Yes or no?

 

What makes you say its political?  Illegals have been getting flown or bussed all over the country.  Just because they don't get to choose where they go?  Sorry, not political, just TFB.  I don't ask to stay at someone's house (much less break into it) and demand to sleep in their master bedroom.

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

How can they not be a pawn??

 

Let me ask you was his done to make a political statement?  Yes or no?

No

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

No

 

Then what was the purpose of sending them to ONLY sanctuary cities and not spread out among other areas of the US? 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

What makes you say its political?  Illegals have been getting flown or bussed all over the country.  Just because they don't get to choose where they go?  Sorry, not political, just TFB.  I don't ask to stay at someone's house (much less break into it) and demand to sleep in their master bedroom.

 

See above. 

[Doc]

56 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Then what was the purpose of sending them to ONLY sanctuary cities and not spread out among other areas of the US? 

 

See above. 

 

It's the word before "cities."

[Chef Jim]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's the word before "cities."

 

So it's political.  Got it. 

[SoCal Deek]

52 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

So it's political.  Got it. 

No!! 
Sorry Chef….I know you don’t like to hear but YOU ARE WRONG.

[Chef Jim]

31 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

No!! 
Sorry Chef….I know you don’t like to hear but YOU ARE WRONG.

Why am I WRONG!! 🙄

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Why am I WRONG!! 🙄

Because you’re trying to put this on Texas as if this problem started yesterday. But it didn’t. They had a year and a half of this madness in which the Federal Government has abandoned its responsibilities and specifically targeted them. I believe Texas has been more than patient. They’ve waited, they’ve spoken, they’ve pleaded, and they’ve screamed. To label their current actions as political is ignoring everything that’s gone on since the Biden Administration appointed Kamala to fix this. Sorry…but I believe Texas passed desperation a long, long, long time ago. 

Edited September 13, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[Chef Jim]

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Because you’re trying to put this on Texas as if this problem started yesterday. But it didn’t. They had a year and a half of this madness in which the Federal Government has abandoned its responsibilities and specifically targeted them. I believe Texas has been more than patient. They’ve waited, they’ve spoken, they’ve pleaded, and they’ve screamed. To label their current actions as political is ignoring everything that’s gone on since the Biden Administration appointed Kamala to fix this. Sorry…but I believe Texas passed desperation a long, long, long time ago. 

I’m not blaming Texas.  Where have I blamed Texas for the problem?  All I’m saying is a a political move and a childish one to boot using migrants as pawns.   
 

Read this Op-Ed by Abbott and tell me it’s not political.  
 

https://nypost.com/2022/08/23/greg-abbott-eric-adams-is-all-talk-when-it-comes-to-open-borders/amp/

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I’m not blaming Texas.  Where have I blamed Texas for the problem?  All I’m saying is a a political move and a childish one to boot using migrants as pawns.   
 

Read this Op-Ed by Abbott and tell me it’s not political.  
 

https://nypost.com/2022/08/23/greg-abbott-eric-adams-is-all-talk-when-it-comes-to-open-borders/amp/

I’m sure you’re right Chef.

Have a good night. 

Edited September 13, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[Chef Jim]

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m sure you’re right Chef.

Have a good night. 

You give up easily.  
 

You freak out as if it being political is a bad thing.  For someone who spends a lot of time on a political message board you don’t realize that when a politician does something it’s usually….wait for it…..political!  The fact that a) he’s only sent about 5% of migrants apprehended  and b) he’s only sending them to cities run my democrats and deemed “sanctuary cities his motivation is pretty obvious. He’s showing that the left’s immigration policies suck (and they do). Unfortunately he’s using humans as pawns to make his point.  Sorry you don’t see it that way. 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

So it's political.  Got it. 

 

Political on whose part?  The "sanctuary" cities' part?  OK, I'll buy that.

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

You give up easily.  
 

You freak out as if it being political is a bad thing.  For someone who spends a lot of time on a political message board you don’t realize that when a politician does something it’s usually….wait for it…..political!  The fact that a) he’s only sent about 5% of migrants apprehended  and b) he’s only sending them to cities run my democrats and deemed “sanctuary cities his motivation is pretty obvious. He’s showing that the left’s immigration policies suck (and they do). Unfortunately he’s using humans as pawns to make his point.  Sorry you don’t see it that way. 

Chef….now come on man! When someone says that an elected official is being ‘political’ it generally means that they are doing things just to get elected. You can’t really believe that Texas officials aren’t sincere in their concern for an immigration problem that they didn’t create but that they’re bearing the brunt of. Can you? On the other hand, if you’re trying to say that everything a politician does is political then your comment is literally pointless. Sorry.

 

And I agree with Doc here. The ones being ‘political’ are the officials in the until now un-impacted cities who suddenly changed their tune when the impact hit their doorstep. Now THAT’S being political. 

Edited September 13, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[Chef Jim]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Chef….now come on man! When someone says that an elected official is being ‘political’ it generally means that they are doing things just to get elected. You can’t really believe that Texas officials aren’t sincere in their concern for an immigration problem that they didn’t create but that they’re bearing the brunt of. Can you? On the other hand, if you’re trying to say that everything a politician does is political then your comment is literally pointless. Sorry.

 

And I agree with Doc here. The ones being ‘political’ are the officials in the until now un-impacted cities who suddenly changed their tune when the impact hit their doorstep. Now THAT’S being political. 

So you don’t know what doing something political is.  It’s not ONLY to get elected. In this case what TX is doing is pointing to what’s being done in Democrat led cities. It’s their way of emphasizing what’s wrong with the politics of the left. That’s doing something political. It’s not just to get them re-elected but to make sure their opponents don’t. 
 

Again, because they are sending migrants ONLY to democrat ran sanctuary cities is them making a political point.  

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So you don’t know what doing something political is.  It’s not ONLY to get elected. In this case what TX is doing is pointing to what’s being done in Democrat led cities. It’s their way of emphasizing what’s wrong with the politics of the left. That’s doing something political. It’s not just to get them re-elected but to make sure their opponents don’t. 
 

Again, because they are sending migrants ONLY to democrat ran sanctuary cities is them making a political point.  

Morning Chef

I guess we’re going to disagree on what doing something ‘political’ means. 

[Chef Jim]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Political on whose part?  The "sanctuary" cities' part?  OK, I'll buy that.

On both parts. 🙄

 

You can’t play this game one sided.  If you feel the democrats in this issue are playing politics by, as SoCal said, by changing their tune it’s because Republicans like Abbott forced their hand. 
 

What I think is VERY telling here is that you and SoCal think doing something to score political points it somehow dirty. It’s not. It’s what politicians do for Christ’s sake. 😂

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Morning Chef

I guess we’re going to disagree on what doing something ‘political’ means. 

Absolutely.  You say that doing something political is when a politician is doing something to get elected.  I think the simple fact that what Abbott had done has caused leaders of these cities to “change their (political) stance” on illegals in their cities is in response to a move by Republican leaders.  It’s a chess game. It’s politics. 
 

Why have you become so defensive?  It’s not a bad thing. To me the bad thing, and my who original point, is the use of the migrants to make their point. 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

On both parts. 🙄

 

You can’t play this game one sided.  If you feel the democrats in this issue are playing politics by, as SoCal said, by changing their tune it’s because Republicans like Abbott forced their hand. 
 

What I think is VERY telling here is that you and SoCal think doing something to score political points it somehow dirty. It’s not. It’s what politicians do for Christ’s sake. 😂

You’re missing the point, and it’s really very odd. What most people mean by being political is doing something contrary to your beliefs and positions just to score an electoral or legislative  advantage. Some would call it being hypocritical or insincere. In the case of Texas, I don’t see how any of that fits. Are they taking actions to prove or make a point? Sure! But that’s not what the vast majority of people call being ‘political’. 

[Tommy Callahan]

him not addressing the boarder is pandering to some of his extreme base.

 

As long as one trying to sneak in  just has to use the magic words "asylum" things wont change.

 

same with the fact this countries asylum programs are often way more generous than the median income in the countries many of these folks come from and provides housing, food and monetary support.

 

Some time ago the narrative when from seasonal migrants to Asylum seekers.

 

https://www.ccmaine.org/docs/Refugee Immigration Services/159-RefugeesandAccesstoFund.pdf

 

https://otda.ny.gov/programs/bria/faqs.asp

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

You’re missing the point, and it’s really very odd. What most people mean by being political is doing something contrary to your beliefs and positions just to score an electoral or legislative  advantage. Some would call it being hypocritical or insincere. In the case of Texas, I don’t see how any of that fits. Are they taking actions to prove or make a point? Sure! But that’s not what the vast majority of people call being ‘political’. 

Here’s a definition. 

 
Score Political Points

To gain political power or sway, especially at the expense of someone else

 

At the expense of who in this case?  Democrat leaders and migrants. So classic example of “scoring political points!”   
 

It’s like no one can say anything “bad” about a Republican with some on the right flipping out.  And BTW this isn’t bad. It’s pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.  Who cares if it’s politically motivated. 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

On both parts. 🙄

 

You can’t play this game one sided.  If you feel the democrats in this issue are playing politics by, as SoCal said, by changing their tune it’s because Republicans like Abbott forced their hand. 
 

What I think is VERY telling here is that you and SoCal think doing something to score political points it somehow dirty. It’s not. It’s what politicians do for Christ’s sake. 😂

 

Why is sending illegals to cities that are sanctuaries for them political?  It's not like they're being send to deep red cities where they'll immediately be deported.  At least in sanctuary cities they're safe.  But since they're sanctuary cities, they should take on the burden of housing illegals, not Texas just because it's a border state.  It's not "political" because they're not being sent where they want.  

Edited September 13, 2022 by Doc

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Why is sending illegals to cities that are sanctuaries for them political?  It's not like they're being send to deep red cities where they'll immediately be deported.  At least in sanctuary cities they're safe.  But since they're sanctuary cities, they should take on the burden of housing illegals, not Texas just because it's a border state.  It's not "political" because they're not being sent where they want.  

Oh I see. Abbott is sending them to sanctuary cities to they’ll be taken care of?  Is this why you consider it apolitical? 

[Chef Jim]

11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Chef….now come on man! When someone says that an elected official is being ‘political’ it generally means that they are doing things just to get elected. 

And to address this? Ummm is Abbott running for re-election in 2 months?  🤔

[B-Man]

 

 

                                                         

 

 

 

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[Doc]

29 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Oh I see. Abbott is sending them to sanctuary cities to they’ll be taken care of?  Is this why you consider it apolitical? 

 

Yup.  Again they're sanctuary cities for a reason.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Here’s a definition. 

 
Score Political Points

To gain political power or sway, especially at the expense of someone else

 

At the expense of who in this case?  Democrat leaders and migrants. So classic example of “scoring political points!”   
 

It’s like no one can say anything “bad” about a Republican with some on the right flipping out.  And BTW this isn’t bad. It’s pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.  Who cares if it’s politically motivated. 

You can say all the bad things you want about Republicans as far as I'm concerned.  It defies logic that the border crisis--with bodies and victims too many to count on both sides of the border--remains basically unchanged for the last 50 years.  That's on every R and D that lacked the courage--or just as likely benefitted politically or financially--to try and solve this problem.    

 

As for Abbott, I think it can be political maneuvering and strategic planning for Texas all at once.  It's exceptionally easy to sit back and posture on the greater good from NY or DC when not dealing with the underlying problem.  Perhaps by dealing first hand with the crisis on a much, much smaller scale than a border state, some additional understanding might result and serious people sit down to figure it out.

 

 

 

I'm all for engagement and solutions to the crisis, but it seems very few politicians are willing to do that. 

[SoCal Deek]

54 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And to address this? Ummm is Abbott running for re-election in 2 months?  🤔

Everyone is always running for something Chef. Once again you can posture that everything an elected official does is political….and I guess to some extent/definition it is….but suggesting that Biden’s immigration policies aren’t real or that they aren’t impacting Texas is nothing short of ridiculous. 

[Doc]

26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Everyone is always running for something Chef. Once again you can posture that everything an elected official does is political….and I guess to some extent/definition it is….but suggesting that Biden’s immigration policies aren’t real or that they aren’t impacting Texas is nothing short of ridiculous. 

 

Or that they're not political.  Trying to reduce the strain on border states is trying to fix a problem and sanctuary cities are the best place to put them.  If they have relatives somewhere else, have someone get them a bus ticket and go there.

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Everyone is always running for something Chef. Once again you can posture that everything an elected official does is political….and I guess to some extent/definition it is….but suggesting that Biden’s immigration policies aren’t real or that they aren’t impacting Texas is nothing short of ridiculous. 

 

Now you're getting it.  However I have no idea why you've directed the last sentence to me. 

 

Here's the thing you may help you understand why it is political what Abbott is doing.  Are the immigration policies of our Federal Government impacting California?  We live here so the answer is "of course!"  Is Newsom sending busloads of migrants to DC/NYC/Chicago?  No.  

 

Let me clear my position up on this.  Part of me thinks it's hysterical what Abbott is doing.  However using migrants to make his point bothers me. 

[aristocrat]

 

[SoCal Deek]

5 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Now you're getting it.  However I have no idea why you've directed the last sentence to me. 

 

Here's the thing you may help you understand why it is political what Abbott is doing.  Are the immigration policies of our Federal Government impacting California?  We live here so the answer is "of course!"  Is Newsom sending busloads of migrants to DC/NYC/Chicago?  No.  

 

Let me clear my position up on this.  Part of me thinks it's hysterical what Abbott is doing.  However using migrants to make his point bothers me. 

Here’s where we differ. I think Newsome NOT busing them out is political. I’d label Abbott’s solution as practical, not political. 😉 Only a politician, when faced with a problem, sits there and postures instead of doing something about it. 

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Here’s where we differ. I think Newsome NOT busing them out is political. I’d label Abbott’s solution as practical, not political. 😉 Only a politician, when faced with a problem, sits there and postures instead of doing something about it. 

 

Abbott sending 5% of migrants apprehended is a solution??  I hope you're being facetious.  I would even go so far as to label what Abbott is doing as a political stunt.  It's all optics and zero solution.  

 

Come on Deek...it's ok to call out one of our own. 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Abbott sending 5% of migrants apprehended is a solution??  I hope you're being facetious.  I would even go so far as to label what Abbott is doing as a political stunt.  It's all optics and zero solution.  

 

Come on Deek...it's ok to call out one of our own. 

 

Again, we disagree. And it’s OK to do that as well. Something has to change here. Someone needs to do something. If you want to call it a stunt I’m fine with that. Abbott’s trying to shake things up. Nothing else has worked. This wasn’t his first move, or even his go-to solution but you can only yell for help so many times before you have to shoot up a flare. No?

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Again, we disagree. And it’s OK to do that as well. Something has to change here. Someone needs to do something. If you want to call it a stunt I’m fine with that. Abbott’s trying to shake things up. Nothing else has worked. This wasn’t his first move, or even his go-to solution but you can only yell for help so many times before you have to shoot up a flare. No?

Absolutely.  Someone had to shoot up a flair.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By pulling a political stunt. 😁

 

BTW Google Abbot Political Stunt and you’ll see a lot of people agree with me. Sure it’s mostly left wing outlets but still I’m not the only one calling what it is. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

Absolutely.  Someone had to shoot up a flair.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By pulling a political stunt. 😁

 

BTW Google Abbot Political Stunt and you’ll see a lot of people agree with me. Sure it’s mostly left wing outlets but still I’m not the only one calling what it is. 

I’m sure they do. Thanks for the discussion. 

[aristocrat]

 

[BillsFanNC]

Wake up Kamala.

 

You have guests!