leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Angry people? I feel like I know where you stand on when you feel anarchy is appropriate, but thank you, I’ll allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: I love how you compare this to the summer riots as if they're the same and a gaggle of jackasses jump to agree. They are not similar, and I'll be the first to say the summer rioters that broke laws should rot in jail too. We were one semi delusional man's (Pence I mean) decision away from having much bigger problems. If he goes with the Orange shart's moronic plan who knows what chaos comes then. Certainly the left would respond/likely riot. It's very similar. People being told (what might be) a lie (election stolen/black people being killed indiscriminately by police) leading to rioting, violence, destruction of property, injury and death. Both were terrible but J6 was one afternoon while the Summer of 2020 was, well, the Summer of 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) Imagine actually having principles and being able to condemn ALL political violence as bad, wrong, inappropriate. Edited June 20, 2022 by DRsGhost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 The Spin on Real Aim of J6 Committee Begins, as Adam Kinzinger Hits the Height of Hot Takes Let’s just be frank here, even if the Democrats will not be. The Jan. 6 Committee has nothing to do with the truth or “justice.” It’s about trying to do all they can to hurt the Republican position before the midterms, and deflect from the horrible results of the policies of Joe Biden and the Democrats. Just as importantly, it’s about doing whatever they can to block out President Donald Trump from ever becoming president again, so they can hold onto their power. They don’t get that the more they throw down on this exercise, the more it antagonizes most of the American people, who are concerned with the here and the now of the struggle the Democrats have made it to deal with the present. But while the Democrats want to paint the Committee as some noble cause, a little bit of the truth about what it’s all about leaked out onto some of the networks on the Sunday shows. Listen as they talk with a Republican who worked for Paul Ryan and John Boehner, Brendan Buck. Oh, he’s current and relevant. Not. He tries to suggest that the purpose isn’t to try to influence the public, but to influence US Attorney General Merrick Garland. https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/06/19/the-spin-on-real-aim-of-j6-committee-begins-as-adam-kinzinger-hits-the-height-of-hot-takes-n581008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Doc said: It's very similar. People being told (what might be) a lie (election stolen/black people being killed indiscriminately by police) leading to rioting, violence, destruction of property, injury and death. Both were terrible but J6 was one afternoon while the Summer of 2020 was, well, the Summer of 2020. Those ARE similarities but yet not at all the same. I'm not going to through the many ways they differ its redundant and borderline stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, DRsGhost said: Imagine actually having principles and being able to condemn ALL political violence as bad, wrong, inappropriate. I haven't seen any progressive posters here defend the Summer riots like conservative posters defend Jan 6. Maybe it happened a lot and I didn't see but I'm doubtful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 33 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Those ARE similarities but yet not at all the same. I'm not going to through the many ways they differ its redundant and borderline stupid. If that’s what helps you believe that one afternoon of one was worse than months of the other… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: If that’s what helps you believe that one afternoon of one was worse than months of the other… Or he could not worry about teasing out the similarities and differences and just be a principled person and condemn ALL political violence no matter what. Not only have the people on the right here condemned the violence on J6, as far as I know most have also agreed that the non-violent Capitol selfie taker trespassers should also be charged appropriately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, DRsGhost said: Or he could not worry about teasing out the similarities and differences and just be a principled person and condemn ALL political violence no matter what. Not only have the people on the right here condemned the violence on J6, as far as I know most have also agreed that the non-violent Capitol selfie taker trespassers should also be charged appropriately. Agree except if they were let-in by the CP, I don't think they should be charged. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Agree except if they were let-in by the CP, I don't think they should be charged. lmao - they were all let in - including Miss American Taliban? Why was she shot? Anyhow............................. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 11 hours ago, DRsGhost said: Imagine actually having principles and being able to condemn ALL political violence as bad, wrong, inappropriate. I did that. I get a cookie? You won't find a comment of mine defending the summer riots. They still ain't the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 11:23 PM, L Ron Burgundy said: I love how you compare this to the summer riots as if they're the same and a gaggle of jackasses jump to agree. They are not similar, and I'll be the first to say the summer rioters that broke laws should rot in jail too. We were one semi delusional man's (Pence I mean) decision away from having much bigger problems. If he goes with the Orange shart's moronic plan who knows what chaos comes then. Certainly the left would respond/likely riot. of course they would have! I expect They would’ve burned Washington down if Trump somehow won too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: of course they would have! I expect They would’ve burned Washington down if Trump somehow won too. They said exactly that. Biden better win, and win comfortably or else the ***** is REALLY gonna hit the fan! But, but that's different! Edited June 21, 2022 by DRsGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: They said exactly that. Biden better win, and win comfortably or else the ***** is REALLY gonna hit the fan! But, but that's different! I didn’t run a simulation, but I did read the tea leaves. Major players in the dem arena raised the concern of election security a year before the election. Sens Warren and Klobuchar are not low level players in the game. To boot, the election came 5 years after the constant drumbeat of Trump being an illegitimate president propped up by Russia. It was a highly effective strategy in spite of the fact that the nebulous claims of collusion were disproven. The only question was which side was making the claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 19 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: I haven't seen any progressive posters here defend the Summer riots like conservative posters defend Jan 6. Maybe it happened a lot and I didn't see but I'm doubtful. Please point to the conservative posters defending 1/6. You actually have it backwards. There appear to be a lot more conservatives condemning 1/6 than progressives condemning the summer of 2020. Maybe that’s why one was an afternoon and the other lasted a summer. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Please point to the conservative posters defending 1/6. You actually have it backwards. There appear to be a lot more conservatives condemning 1/6 than progressives condemning the summer of 2020. Maybe that’s why one was an afternoon and the other lasted a summer. Refusing to call it an insurrection is not defending the events of J6. We already know the FBI had informants there on J6. Questioning just how many FBI CHSs were among the crowd on J6 and what role they might have played is also not defending what happened on J6. Questioning why people with no prior criminal record are being held pretrial without bail for 18 months in squalid conditions at the DC jail is also not defending what happened on J6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 28 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: Refusing to call it an insurrection is not defending the events of J6. We already know the FBI had informants there on J6. Questioning just how many FBI CHSs were among the crowd on J6 and what role they might have played is also not defending what happened on J6. Questioning why people with no prior criminal record are being held pretrial without bail for 18 months in squalid conditions at the DC jail is also not defending what happened on J6. None of your BS matters. Conald had his goons there for a reason. And don’t forget: voter fraud: "I just want to find eleven thousand seven hundred and eighty votes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Please point to the conservative posters defending 1/6. You actually have it backwards. There appear to be a lot more conservatives condemning 1/6 than progressives condemning the summer of 2020. Maybe that’s why one was an afternoon and the other lasted a summer. They are consistent though, you have to give them that. One of the additional sad realities of the summer of 2020 was the abject disregard of COVID protocol with massive gatherings across the country, and the spread that surely followed. Tens of thousands of people were coming together week after week--traveling to/from all across the country and bringing the virus home with them. Still, it was hard to find a liberal or a dem in leadership who spoke in favor of common sense, and in reality encouraged the behavior and the spread. So, while huddled in bunkers of their own choosing, supporting shut downs and lockdowns for the masses, they watched in blissful ignorance as the virus spread. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: They are consistent though, you have to give them that. One of the additional sad realities of the summer of 2020 was the abject disregard of COVID protocol with massive gatherings across the country, and the spread that surely followed. Tens of thousands of people were coming together week after week--traveling to/from all across the country and bringing the virus home with them. Still, it was hard to find a liberal or a dem in leadership who spoke in favor of common sense, and in reality encouraged the behavior and the spread. So, while huddled in bunkers of their own choosing, supporting shut downs and lockdowns for the masses, they watched in blissful ignorance as the virus spread. I will distill your post down to three words which I used recently Masters of Hypocrisy. EDIT: And before someone comes back with some whataboutsims we're all hypocrites at some level. That's why I used the words Masters Of...... Edited June 21, 2022 by Chef Jim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: They are consistent though, you have to give them that. One of the additional sad realities of the summer of 2020 was the abject disregard of COVID protocol with massive gatherings across the country, and the spread that surely followed. Tens of thousands of people were coming together week after week--traveling to/from all across the country and bringing the virus home with them. Still, it was hard to find a liberal or a dem in leadership who spoke in favor of common sense, and in reality encouraged the behavior and the spread. So, while huddled in bunkers of their own choosing, supporting shut downs and lockdowns for the masses, they watched in blissful ignorance as the virus spread. They blatantly encouraged it out in the open. These people are NEVER to be taken seriously again. https://time.com/5848212/doctors-supporting-protests/ Positions like Boyd’s, which are widely shared in the medical community, may strike some people as hypocritical. Why, in the middle of a pandemic, after months of telling people to stay indoors to stop the spread of COVID-19, are doctors encouraging thousands of people to gather? The answer, for many in health care, is simple: Racism is a public-health issue that long predates coronavirus. Without action, they say, it will postdate it, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 12 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: of course they would have! I expect They would’ve burned Washington down if Trump somehow won too. Did they riot when he won his first election? I'm referring to a hypothetical if Pence (and others) make different decisions. Had that happened yeah there would be craziness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Did they riot when he won his first election? Ummmmm. Yes. Trump's Inauguration Day. and don't forget the George Floyd DC riots by the Left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ummmmm. Yes. Trump's Inauguration Day. and don't forget the George Floyd DC riots by the Left. Other than those. I think L'Ron mean riot riots, not just riots. 🤯 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Ummm WTF? Talk about memory holing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 While we're strolling down memory lane... seems like A LOT more people didn't want Trump than the amount that didn't want Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 hours ago, BillStime said: None of your BS matters. Conald had his goons there for a reason. And don’t forget: voter fraud: "I just want to find eleven thousand seven hundred and eighty votes." English must not be your primary language: He didn’t say I just want to FALSIFY or CREATE eleven thousand… votes. You are an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Cult over Country 🎯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: While we're strolling down memory lane... seems like A LOT more people didn't want Trump than the amount that didn't want Biden. Ask them again now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Ask them again now... You think those same people are going to want Trump now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Police Report Proves Undercover Cops Were Embedded With J6 Protestors BY KEVIN DOWNEY JR. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2022/06/21/police-report-proves-undercover-cops-were-embedded-with-j6-protestors-n1606774 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: You think those same people are going to want Trump now? That and/or far fewer will want Joke. They were sold a lie that Joke could "shut down the virus," improve the economy and be a moderate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: Police Report Proves Undercover Cops Were Embedded With J6 Protestors BY KEVIN DOWNEY JR. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2022/06/21/police-report-proves-undercover-cops-were-embedded-with-j6-protestors-n1606774 I suggest you link to an article with the actual police report, because that article doesn't have it. It links to paywalls and Tweets. Just a suggestion. 1 minute ago, Doc said: That and/or far fewer will want Joke. They were sold a lie that Joke could "shut down the virus," improve the economy and be a moderate. Personally, I think those riots were more about not wanting Trump and I would wager that close to 100% of them still don't want Trump. He didn't do himself any favors while in office and he can't depend on the failures of the succeeding president to win him back voters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I suggest you link to an article with the actual police report, because that article doesn't have it. It links to paywalls and Tweets. Just a suggestion. https://yournews.com/2022/06/20/2363212/epoch-times-police-report-proves-plainclothes-electronic-surveillance-unit-members/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 30 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: English must not be your primary language: He didn’t say I just want to FALSIFY or CREATE eleven thousand… votes. You are an idiot. No - the idiot is the one trying to “explain” what the President didn’t say said. We all heard it - and we all know what he meant. “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Mr. Trump said. Why did Trump bully and threaten these officials in Georgia? “You know what they did and you’re not reporting it,” the president said during the call. “You know, that’s a criminal — that’s a criminal offense. And you know, you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That’s a big risk.” Why did Trump call and bully the Chief Elections Investigator in GA: President Donald Trump urged Georgia's chief elections investigator to find "dishonesty" that could help overturn the state's election results, framing her work as a matter of national importance Is it appropriate for Trump to phone these people? “You have the most important job in the country right now," Trump told Watson, who was leading an audit of absentee ballot signatures in Cobb County at the time, according to the audio. "Because if we win Georgia ... the people of Georgia are so angry at what happened to me, they know I won," he continued, repeating the false claim that he won the state. "Whatever you can do, Frances, it would be — it's a great thing," Trump told her, according to the audio. "It's an important thing for the country. So important. You've no idea. So important. And I very much appreciate it." Watson said her team was "only interested in the truth" and "finding the information that's based on the facts." Trump then asked whether her team of investigators would continue working past Christmas to "keep it going fast." "Because, you know, we have that date of the 6th, which is a very important date," he said, apparently referring to the joint session of Congress to formalize the Electoral College results. Link Keep trying Karen - it’s cute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I suggest you link to an article with the actual police report, because that article doesn't have it. It links to paywalls and Tweets. Just a suggestion. I would suggest the same approach should apply to allegations of criminal behavior by Donald Trump, but really, who would listen? 6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Personally, I think those riots were more about not wanting Trump and I would wager that close to 100% of them still don't want Trump. He didn't do himself any favors while in office and he can't depend on the failures of the succeeding president to win him back voters. It seems like those riots were about anarchy, just like a lot of riots these days. As for DJT, so much can happen in the next year or so that it is premature to assume that Biden's obvious inability to lead will result in changing hearts and minds of the undecided. I see it like this...play it out through the midterms. The dems will have no shortage of ideas to scuttle the R wave a few months out. Loan forgiveness, some cooked up scandal, whatever. If the Rs can take the house and senate, flip the switch and pursue impeachment/scorched earth against Biden, Pelosi etc if the mood warrants it. Slow walk it in the lead up to the election. With regard to Trump, I would prefer he not run, though that has little to do with his 4 years in office. He's too old at that point, time to sit aside and just lob verbal shots at the dems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, B-Man said: https://yournews.com/2022/06/20/2363212/epoch-times-police-report-proves-plainclothes-electronic-surveillance-unit-members/ So, it gives us a picture of the cover page (thanks? Still no link to a report) And then says this before going into speculation: According to the Department of Justice website, “A CDU is composed of law enforcement officers who are trained to respond to protests, demonstrations, and civil disturbances for the purpose of preventing violence, destruction of property, and unlawful interference with persons exercising their rights under law.” The objective of MPD was “to assist with the safe execution of any First Amendment demonstration and ensure the safety of the participants, public, and the officers.” CDU personnel and Special Operations Division (SOD) members were to “monitor for any demonstration and/or violent activity and respond accordingly,” according to the report. There has been speculation that federal agents and Capitol Police were involved in instigating acts of violence during the protests for the purposes of entrapment. As Red State reported in October 2021, “multiple surveillance videos show masked men opening up the doors to the U.S. Capitol Building to allow protesters to enter. In fact, one video shows them entering while Capitol Police officers simply stand around. Yet, we have no idea who those men are.” So, in your own words @B-Man, what are your conclusions from this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I would suggest the same approach should apply to allegations of criminal behavior by Donald Trump, but really, who would listen? Me too, and? This game of "I know your are but what am I" goes nowhere. 8 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: With regard to Trump, I would prefer he not run, though that has little to do with his 4 years in office. He's too old at that point, time to sit aside and just lob verbal shots at the dems. It's looking like he's going to run. Do you think that's good for the party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Ummmmm. Yes. Trump's Inauguration Day. and don't forget the George Floyd DC riots by the Left. I'm sure you all won't classify those as mostly peaceful? Is it your contention that Jan 6 and these things are equally bad? Serious question. Again, I say anyone breaking the law should be penalized. Imo 99% of protests are pointless so you won't see me stick up for any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Me too, and? This game of "I know your are but what am I" goes nowhere. I'm always willing to stop the game, but after the 4+ years of Russia and things like the Kavanaugh debacle, I simply say "Let's stop the game and work toward unity....but you first.". Not you specifically, but, well, you know. 24 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: It's looking like he's going to run. Do you think that's good for the party? "Good for the party"...I'm don't know. I didn't think he was good for the party to begin with--and in spite of his flaws I enjoyed the persona, The Apprentice etc. I was driving near Springfield, Mass when he announces and thought it was just classic Trump with the rebrand. At the same time, I was disillusioned with R leadership and the thought of Jeb Bush being the nominee sickened me. Another Clinton was a non-starter for me..and I was at the point where I viewed the D/R leadership as just one big party with a few special interests one way or the other. So, I think people underestimate the Trump effect. In spite of 5 years of hammering about what a treasonous person he was, he garnered nearly 75,000,000 votes. I would think the 1/6 issue will cost him very few of those voters, and that all other thing being equal, Biden might drive many, many more to vote for him. The truth is, before COVID, he appeared to be in a very good position to win re-election. The economy was humming, money long held offshore due to onerous tax law was being repatriated, and there was optimism in spite of his own antics, and the intention of the mainstream media outlets to tie everything bad with the world to him. I think there may be a better way to go about things moving forward. I don't claim to know a ton about DeSantis, his legendary status and his 'he's the demon seed' reputation are likely both vastly overstated. I think a more well-disciplined candidate, with a reputation for cutting through the b*llshit, calling out his enemies and throwing shots back at them is a better answer at this point given Trump's age at that point. I do know that regardless of the choice, the dems will attempt to savage him/her with every accusation under the sun. A buddy of mine is a believer in Clinton, a hater of Trump, and suggested that he never really hated Bush the W. The reality is that he did, he used to drip with scorn discussing him, how America "looked" on the international stage, etc etc. It wasn't until W morphed from a war criminal as President to lovable old Gampy Bush, painter in retirement that the edge came off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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