Biden Is The Green Energy President

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Wireless refuelling lol

Not really.  It just means that driving, as we know it, will have to change.  The same was true before the automobile made mobility so easy.  If you are going to go longer distances, you are going to need to allow more time for re-charging breaks, or take other forms of transportation (planes, trains, etc.).  You aren't going to make this change without some inconvenience, but we are quite capable of doing it right now. We already have the technology.

[daz28]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not really.  It just means that driving, as we know it, will have to change.  The same was true before the automobile made mobility so easy.  If you are going to go longer distances, you are going to need to allow more time for re-charging breaks, or take other forms of transportation (planes, trains, etc.).  You aren't going to make this change without some inconvenience, but we are quite capable of doing it right now. We already have the technology.

The big money interest in Washington only need you to have a car capable of getting to work and back so you can create some more wealth for them with your labor.  In all likelihood your convenience and family trips were probably never even brought up in the conversation.  #realtalk

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

The big money interest in Washington only need you to have a car capable of getting to work and back so you can create some more wealth for them with your labor.  In all likelihood your convenience and family trips were probably never even brought up in the conversation.  #realtalk

You seem to want to go off on some big-money tangent. I do not. Everything cannot possibly be a conspiracy!  We don't need any of this Green New Deal crap.  Just pass the regulation and get on with it.  Industries of all kinds have been adjusting for decades.

[daz28]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

You seem to want to go off on some big-money tangent. I do not. Everything cannot possibly be a conspiracy!  We don't need any of this Green New Deal crap.  Just pass the regulation and get on with it.  Industries of all kinds have been adjusting for decades.

Money controlling Washington isn't a conspiracy.  It's as real as real gets.  When talking politics, there's no way to get around that fact.  The notion that green new deal is the problem is the actual problem.  They get people hating the term, then they don't have to discuss the issue.  Same with defund the police, etc.  If they roll all the issues into a catch phrase, then the catch phrase dismisses all the issues.  Neat trick

[Chef Jim]

32 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Switching gears (pardon the pun), if the Biden Administration really wants to get Americans off of fossil fuels why not start by simply regulating it so the auto companies can no longer make and sell gas powered vehicles by a certain date/year?  Let's say 2026....five years from now.  Why do anything else?  What is all the federal spending for?  Gas powered cars will slowly fade away.  After all they don't last forever.  We already have time tested electric car technology. The government passes new regulations on auto safety and emissions all the time (miles per gallon, air bags, seat belts, etc.)...what's the problem here? Just require the auto industry to change.  Next crisis?

Have you been asleep here in CA?  We already have the mandate. 

29 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Simple answer.

 

They would be voted out.............and they need that power.

Or recalled. 

[daz28]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

Have you been asleep here in CA?  We already have the mandate. 

california doesn't have to fear mandates the way Washington does, though.  They've been mandating everything for years, and they don't fear it politically near as much

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Have you been asleep here in CA?  We already have the mandate. 

Or recalled. 

I'm far from asleep. I'm asking why do we know ANY of this Green New Deal spending?  Just pass the regulation and let everything else take care of itself.

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You seem to want to go off on some big-money tangent. I do not. Everything cannot possibly be a conspiracy!  We don't need any of this Green New Deal crap.  Just pass the regulation and get on with it.  Industries of all kinds have been adjusting for decades.

What’s my motivation, as the consumer, to change?  Because government said so doesn’t cut it.  The infrastructure required to make electric vehicles viable would be HUGE!  

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I'm far from asleep. I'm asking why do we know ANY of this Green New Deal spending?  Just pass the regulation and let everything else take care of itself.

I truly hope you’re being sarcastic. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

What’s my motivation, as the consumer, to change?  Because government said so doesn’t cut it.  The infrastructure required to make electric vehicles viable would be HUGE!  

I truly hope you’re being sarcastic. 

Trust me there is no sarcasm intended here whatsoever. Yes, the fueling station changes 'could be' huge, but those are not provided by government.  The road is, but not the fueling stations!  The roads don't need to change.  What's the federal spending for? 

And what's my motivation as a consumer?  Easy, there won't be any gas powered cars on the showroom floor.  You don't see any coal burning refrigerators either, do you? 

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Trust me there is no sarcasm intended here whatsoever. Yes, the fueling station changes 'could be' huge, but those are not provided by government.  The road is, but not the fueling stations!  The roads don't need to change.  What's the federal spending for? 

And what's my motivation as a consumer?  Easy, there won't be any gas powered cars on the showroom floor.  You don't see any coal burning refrigerators either, do you? 

Ummmm many refrigerators are powered by coal. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

49 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Switching gears (pardon the pun), if the Biden Administration really wants to get Americans off of fossil fuels why not start by simply regulating it so the auto companies can no longer make and sell gas powered vehicles by a certain date/year?  Let's say 2026....five years from now.  Why do anything else?  What is all the federal spending for?  Gas powered cars will slowly fade away.  After all they don't last forever.  We already have time tested electric car technology. The government passes new regulations on auto safety and emissions all the time (miles per gallon, air bags, seat belts, etc.)...what's the problem here? Just require the auto industry to change.  Next crisis?

I’m fine with it. You do know the oil market is the only jenga block holding this US economy’s world standing up? 
 

not exports, but trade of oil in the global currency... dollars. 
 

It might be good to rip off the band aid, but how different is Armageddon from succumbing to Chinese and Russian world dominance? I suppose it’s inevitable too and there might be some class mobility in Asia too. 

[daz28]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’m fine with it. You do know the oil market is the only jenga block holding this US economy’s world standing up? 
 

not exports, but trade of oil in the global currency... dollars. 
 

It might be good to rip off the band aid, but how different is Armageddon from succumbing to Chinese and Russian world dominance? I suppose it’s inevitable too and there might be some class mobility in Asia too. 

Well, we can always do our transactions in a speculative currency based on nothing, what could go wrong?  #Bitcoin

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

Well, we can always do our transactions in a speculative currency based on nothing, what could go wrong?  #Bitcoin

Fair point

[SoCal Deek]

11 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’m fine with it. You do know the oil market is the only jenga block holding this US economy’s world standing up? 
 

not exports, but trade of oil in the global currency... dollars. 
 

It might be good to rip off the band aid, but how different is Armageddon from succumbing to Chinese and Russian world dominance? I suppose it’s inevitable too and there might be some class mobility in Asia too. 

To put a finer point on the discussion, I’m not advocating for this switch. I’m asking why we need to get involved in global agreements, or tax the crap out of everyone, or go deeper into debt as a nation to put it into place. If this is indeed so critical for our survival as a species then just lead the way with the regulations and let the rest take care of itself through the marketplace of competition, ideas and ingenuity. 

Edited May 5, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

On this episode of The Federalist Radio Hour, Federalist Western Correspondent Tristan Justice joins Culture Editor Emily Jashinsky to discuss his recent reporting in New Mexico on how the Biden administration’s anti-oil and gas policies are causing anxiety in the state.

 

“There is a dynamic of bipartisan recognition that the Biden administration’s policies to delay, if not outright ban, new leases down the road is possibly going to present a big problem for the state,” Justice said.

 

“The governor has already requested some type of waiver to this potential leasing ban, but environmentalists have already taken over Santa Fe.”

“New Mexico is a blue state now and the people in the industry spoke about how antagonistic that their own state government has already been that there is an exodus of producers going from New Mexico to Texas,” Justice said. 

 

Overregulation exacerbates the problem and the people who work and live in oil and gas communities, Justice said.

 

“If the Democrats and progressives just regulate oil to death, the oil is not going to dry up underneath but the money absolutely will, and so will these communities in Southeast New Mexico,” he said. 

 

 

[unbillievable]

38 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

On this episode of The Federalist Radio Hour, Federalist Western Correspondent Tristan Justice joins Culture Editor Emily Jashinsky to discuss his recent reporting in New Mexico on how the Biden administration’s anti-oil and gas policies are causing anxiety in the state.

 

“There is a dynamic of bipartisan recognition that the Biden administration’s policies to delay, if not outright ban, new leases down the road is possibly going to present a big problem for the state,” Justice said.

 

“The governor has already requested some type of waiver to this potential leasing ban, but environmentalists have already taken over Santa Fe.”

“New Mexico is a blue state now and the people in the industry spoke about how antagonistic that their own state government has already been that there is an exodus of producers going from New Mexico to Texas,” Justice said. 

 

Overregulation exacerbates the problem and the people who work and live in oil and gas communities, Justice said.

 

“If the Democrats and progressives just regulate oil to death, the oil is not going to dry up underneath but the money absolutely will, and so will these communities in Southeast New Mexico,” he said. 

 

 

 

Southeast New Mexico is mostly Republican.

The Democrats running the state don't care what happens to conservative rural communities.

[All_Pro_Bills]

On 5/5/2021 at 8:11 AM, SoCal Deek said:

To put a finer point on the discussion, I’m not advocating for this switch. I’m asking why we need to get involved in global agreements, or tax the crap out of everyone, or go deeper into debt as a nation to put it into place. If this is indeed so critical for our survival as a species then just lead the way with the regulations and let the rest take care of itself through the marketplace of competition, ideas and ingenuity. 

Because the corporate financial institutions have been pushing for carbon taxes credits for year's so they can create and run trading markets and make a bundle of cash off the idea of buying and selling carbon credits.  They've been on the financial networks discussing the idea and they're drooling out of their mouths with excitement over the chance for this to happen.  And globalists love the idea because it provides them another vehicle for un-elected and unaccountable of control over sovereign nations and their citizens.  Governments and bureaucrats love it because more taxes means more programs and more power.  The 99.9% that comprise working people and the ordinary citizens of the world get to pay more taxes that suck more money out of their pockets and pollution levels remain the same. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Because the corporate financial institutions have been pushing for carbon taxes credits for year's so they can create and run trading markets and make a bundle of cash off the idea of buying and selling carbon credits.  They've been on the financial networks discussing the idea and they're drooling out of their mouths with excitement over the chance for this to happen.  And globalists love the idea because it provides them another vehicle for un-elected and unaccountable of control over sovereign nations and their citizens.  Governments and bureaucrats love it because more taxes means more programs and more power.  The 99.9% that comprise working people and the ordinary citizens of the world get to pay more taxes that suck more money out of their pockets and pollution levels remain the same. 

 

 

In a nutshell! 

[B-Man]

 

 

Watch: John Kerry admits the solar panels that will save us from the climate end times are being produced by Uyghur slaves.

 

 

https://notthebee.com/article/watch-john-kerry-admits-the-solar-panels-that-will-save-us-from-the-climate-end-times-are-being-produced-by-uyghur-slaves

[B-Man]

 

[daz28]

Let's all get on board for a sensible green energy transition.  If the lobbyists shut up long enough, we could use data as to what/when decisions we think we should make.  

 

 

Side note: saw a meme said electric vehicles batteries cost 200% of the original car price to replace?  How is that possible?  Something about electric car salvage yards in france

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

PUTIN again...........

 

 

 

 

Killing energy jobs in Oklahoma and creating them in St. Petersburg is so comically inept and villainous you could never even try it without the entire press in your back pocket.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Finally.............I agree with the Biden/Harris administration.

 

 

Biden Climate Advisor Says Nuclear Energy Is "Essential"

 

https://redstate.com/kiradavis/2021/05/20/biden-climate-advisor-says-nuclear-energy-is-essential-n383740

 

[Tiberius]

Wow, really interesting. I know new things break down a lot, though. So will wait and see how this goes. 

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Thanks to a groundbreaking innovation by one of America’s most iconic brands, “green energy” might finally escape the culture wars.

If, that is, politicians don’t get in the way.

Ford unveiled an electric version of its best-selling F-150 pickup truck Wednesday. Based on the specs released so far, it looks as good as or superior to its traditional combustion-engine cousin in almost every way.

Living up to its name, the F-150 Lightning can go from zero to 60 miles per hour in 4.4 seconds. It can tow up to 10,000 pounds. Its battery can be used as a backup power source, which could power a house for up to three days, according to Ford, or charge power tools on a work site. Its standard-range battery is expected to travel 230 miles per full charge, while the extended-range battery reaches 300 miles. Not as far as the range on a gas-powered truck, of course, but still pretty good.

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Then there’s the price.

The base model starts at $39,974 — and that’s before factoring in tax incentives for electric vehicles. Including those incentives, such as a $7,500 federal tax credit, the Lightning is expected to be one of the least expensive full-size pickups on the market, gas or electric, when it hits the road next year. Possibly the least expensive, if you live in a state offering additional generous tax breaks.

This is no pokey, jelly-bean-shaped car designed for tree-huggers. Nor is it a spaceship-like ride for Bay Area tech bros. This is not a vehicle designed for virtue-signaling concerns about climate change, though it absolutely does broadcast the virtues of a bright, decarbonized, lower-pollution future.

The Lightning will be a better, faster, more functional and more affordable truck that can appeal to red-staters and blue-collar workers. If produced and purchased at scale, trucks such as this one could revolutionize car culture and eventually shrink the country’s carbon footprint. Tesla has already worked wonders in making electric vehicles (EVs) cool and more widely available. It produced about 500,000 vehicles in total last year; but as a share of the auto market, Ford’s F-series is in a league of its own, with about 800,000 trucks sold last year

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/20/why-fords-f-150-lightning-could-elevate-green-energy-culture-wars/

[SoCal Deek]

21 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Wow, really interesting. I know new things break down a lot, though. So will wait and see how this goes. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/20/why-fords-f-150-lightning-could-elevate-green-energy-culture-wars/

Tibs, I think you’re misunderstanding the debate. There are very few that have any real problem with electric vehicles. You can buy one if you’d like. I might myself. The debate is whether the government should be purposefully choking off the plentiful and cheap supply of alternative fossil fuels in order to force people to get one. Case in point...I’ve never heard anyone say that Tesla isn’t a pretty decent car. 

[B-Man]

[B-Man]

 

 

Your Sunday Clarice.

 

Democrat Projectionists

By Clarice Feldman

 

I’m not the first person to note that whatever Democrats accuse their opponents of doing, it is they, in fact, who are doing it. If you are puzzled why the Biden Administration scotched the Keystone Pipeline but gave a thumbs up on the Russian Nord Stream 2 pipeline to Germany, perhaps this explanation will help. Under the banner of “green energy” to control emissions. Germany began shutting down the cleanest emitting power stations: nuclear. In 2000, nuclear had a 29.5 percent share of its power generation mix. In 2020 that share dropped to 11.4 percent and next year every one of its nuclear plants is scheduled to be shut down.

 

Where will the lost energy generation come from? Russia. Do you think that this will place Germany increasingly at the mercy of Russia? I do, and it’s not just Germany.

 

Platts Analytics said Russian pipeline gas supply to northwest, central and eastern Europe, and Italy would rise from around 130 Bcm/year in 2020 to around 150 Bcm/year by 2040.

 

Does it look to you as it does to me, that the green energy/climate change movement is but a means to increase the political fortunes of China and Russia while weakening the West?

 

For years the U.S. has fought construction of this pipeline.

 

In December 2019, then-president Trump approved sanctions against any company assisting in the development of this pipeline into Western Europe. Congress included those sanctions in the defense bill, agreeing that this is a security risk. 

 

In January, President Biden pulled the permit for the Keystone XLPipeline from Canada to the U.S., killing 10,000 mostly unionized building trade jobs. 

 

The move certainly created bad relations with Canada but it made green proponents happy:

 

More at the link:https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/05/democrat_projectionists.html

[B-Man]

 

 

 

New Poll: Americans Aren’t Willing to Pay for the ‘Green New Deal’—And It’s Not Even Close.

 

https://fee.org/articles/new-poll-americans-aren-t-willing-to-pay-for-the-green-new-deal-and-it-s-not-even-close/

 

 

[JaCrispy]

On 5/23/2021 at 11:36 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

Your Sunday Clarice.

 

Democrat Projectionists

By Clarice Feldman

 

I’m not the first person to note that whatever Democrats accuse their opponents of doing, it is they, in fact, who are doing it. If you are puzzled why the Biden Administration scotched the Keystone Pipeline but gave a thumbs up on the Russian Nord Stream 2 pipeline to Germany, perhaps this explanation will help. Under the banner of “green energy” to control emissions. Germany began shutting down the cleanest emitting power stations: nuclear. In 2000, nuclear had a 29.5 percent share of its power generation mix. In 2020 that share dropped to 11.4 percent and next year every one of its nuclear plants is scheduled to be shut down.

 

Where will the lost energy generation come from? Russia. Do you think that this will place Germany increasingly at the mercy of Russia? I do, and it’s not just Germany.

 

Platts Analytics said Russian pipeline gas supply to northwest, central and eastern Europe, and Italy would rise from around 130 Bcm/year in 2020 to around 150 Bcm/year by 2040.

 

Does it look to you as it does to me, that the green energy/climate change movement is but a means to increase the political fortunes of China and Russia while weakening the West?

 

For years the U.S. has fought construction of this pipeline.

 

In December 2019, then-president Trump approved sanctions against any company assisting in the development of this pipeline into Western Europe. Congress included those sanctions in the defense bill, agreeing that this is a security risk. 

 

In January, President Biden pulled the permit for the Keystone XLPipeline from Canada to the U.S., killing 10,000 mostly unionized building trade jobs. 

 

The move certainly created bad relations with Canada but it made green proponents happy:

 

More at the link:https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/05/democrat_projectionists.html

Biden, seriously, stands a good chance to go down as one of the worst American presidents ever...and not because he is incapable- although I understand why some might argue this...

 

But, simply, his policies seek to benefit everyone else BUT Americans- from oil pipelines, to the boarder, to saying the greatest threat to the country is not China or Russia, but rather domestic white supremacy (oy vey)...it’s almost like he is doing and saying everything our foreign adversaries would sign up for...not very encouraging imho...

[Tiberius]

9 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Biden, seriously, stands a good chance to go down as one of the worst American presidents ever...and not because he is incapable- although I understand why some might argue this...

 

But, simply, his policies seek to benefit everyone else BUT Americans- from oil pipelines, to the boarder, to saying the greatest threat to the country is not China or Russia, but rather domestic white supremacy (oy vey)...it’s almost like he is doing and saying everything our foreign adversaries would sign up for...not very encouraging imho...

Lol, ya ok. 

 

Anyway....

 

Yesterday was a huge day in climate change news. 

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ExxonMobil shareholders voted Wednesday to install at least two new independent directors to the company’s board, a resounding defeat for chief executive Darren Woods and a ratification of shareholders’ unhappiness with the way the company had been addressing climate change and its lagging financial performance.

 

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In Europe, a Dutch court ordered Royal Dutch Shell, considered one of the more forward-thinking companies in the industry, to make deeper-than-planned cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. And in the United States, Chevron lost a shareholder vote directing the company to take into account its customers’ emissions when planning reductions.

And...

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Chevron investors also flexed their muscle Wednesday, casting 61 percent of shares in favor of a proposal asking the oil major to cut its total greenhouse gas emissions, including customers’ emissions, a category known as Scope 3, in addition to its own operations and supply chains, according to a preliminary count announced by Chevron at its annual general meeting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/05/26/exxonmobil-rebel-shareholders-win-board-seats/

[Tiberius]

On 5/22/2021 at 9:47 PM, B-Man said:

HA HA HA, you idiots. Go look at how capitalism works. Look at Ford stock today after it announced its electric vehicle plans lol 🕺

 

 

[TSOL]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

HA HA HA, you idiots. Go look at how capitalism works. Look at Ford stock today after it announced its electric vehicle plans lol 🕺

 

 

 

 

Giant lithium ion batteries are not all that green. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, TSOL said:

 

 

Giant lithium ion batteries are not all that green. 

Change is never a straight line 

[TSOL]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Change is never a straight line 

 

 

And either is the electricity used to charge them. 

 

They are mining the lithium in third world countries and contaminating the land greatly in the process, killing wildlife, contaminating and drying up lakes.

 

Musk is just the worlds greatest salesman. 

Now if the Biden administration can figure out what to do with the spent batteries when their lifespan is used up, then I'd be impressed 

[B-Man]

 

[Orlando Tim]

I am actually curious if anyone can show me one item that was correct from "An Inconvenient Truth"? I understand it was Gore and not Biden but the amount of carbon pumped into the atmosphere has gone up considerably in the past 15 years since that garbage was produced but our environment seems to be the same. In fact since 1990 when I first started hearing this garbage it has basically doubled but no major changes. 

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I am actually curious if anyone can show me one item that was correct from "An Inconvenient Truth"? I understand it was Gore and not Biden but the amount of carbon pumped into the atmosphere has gone up considerably in the past 15 years since that garbage was produced but our environment seems to be the same. In fact since 1990 when I first started hearing this garbage it has basically doubled but no major changes. 

And yet every school kid in America was shown that movie...because it had Gore’s name attached to it. Pretty sad. 

[unbillievable]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I am actually curious if anyone can show me one item that was correct from "An Inconvenient Truth"? I understand it was Gore and not Biden but the amount of carbon pumped into the atmosphere has gone up considerably in the past 15 years since that garbage was produced but our environment seems to be the same. In fact since 1990 when I first started hearing this garbage it has basically doubled but no major changes. 

According to the movie "Day After Tomorrow", the weather will stay the same, then suddenly change overnight in a big storm, and then we'll wake up to the new Ice Age.

 

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

And yet every school kid in America was shown that movie...because it had Gore’s name attached to it. Pretty sad. 

Ironically, showing that Movie to kids now will convince them that all of it was Bul******

[B-Man]

 

 

The West’s Suicide Note.

 

America has been the exception to the G7’s enthusiasm, having repeatedly refused to ratify any of the climate change treaties even when, as now, the U.S. administration was in the hands of climate “emergency” zealots who signed them. Partly as a result, the United States under the Trump administration was able both to reduce its carbon emissions and to re-emerge as an energy super-power by liberating “clean, green” natural gas from the land by fracking.

 

 

Oddly, even masochistically, President Biden was elected to reverse this policy and to embrace the Paris conference aim of achieving Net-Zero emissions by 2050. Seeing this as an opportunity to entrench Net-Zero as a legally-binding international obligation on all governments, the G7 and the IEA each issued a report at around the same time, respectively making the political and the technical case for the inevitability of Net-Zero.

 

 

 

It’s as if the people driving this don’t have our best interests at heart.

 

 

https://the-pipeline.org/net-zero-the-wests-suicide-note/?fbclid=IwAR2wUtcO7qihThSaLbVD-XBIQ1ioG4ySKJsokzZJfB5Tyuv24RXCCOmcLzs

 

(Yes, the site is called the Pipeline, so those of you who are shallow enough to care about such things, can skip it.)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by B-Man

[JaCrispy]

On 6/12/2021 at 5:43 PM, B-Man said:

 

Well, China is still developing so...😉

Edited June 14, 2021 by JaCrispy