WEATHER DOT COM Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) No kidding, Ben Edited December 24, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Hey if you were a criminal and wanted to Pardon your criminal friends wouldn't you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On the bright side it looks like he's accepted the fact he won't be president anymore. Well intentioned Trump people donating to the "stop the steal" grifter pacs should take note. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 It’s the one major mistake made by the founders. Giving the chief executive this kind of power is more the power’s of a king, not the head of one of three co-equal branches of government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Duncan Hunter also on this list along with his wife. They were both found guilty of stealing campaign funds for personal use. Trump most likely pardoned them because he doesn’t feel there is anything wrong with that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Pardons are always an issue, just depends on who ya voted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 FBI team leader: How I know the Blackwater defendants didn't deserve a pardon from Trump https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/24/opinions/blackwater-defendants-pardon-trump-opinion-oconnor/index.html pardons for murders , what a president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Pardons are always an issue, just depends on who ya voted for. These are particularly odious...60 of the 65 pardons the Trump has issued involve people directly involved with Trump and his criminal enterprise. I wonder when he sneaks the Ghislaine Maxwell pardon in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Buftex said: These are particularly odious...60 of the 65 pardons the Trump has issued involve people directly involved with Trump and his criminal enterprise. I wonder when he sneaks the Ghislaine Maxwell pardon in... Compelling stuff Buf. Edge of the seat observation. I hadn't thought of a presidential pardon as political in any way/shape/form in the past. This is the first time ever, and of course goes along with @transplantbillsfan and @Bob in Mich theory that no president has ever lied about anything ever. It's pretty shocking. Of course you're right --all the pardons that went before were those issued out of the goodness of presidential hearts to right wrongs and set the wrongly accused free. I am curious though--How would he "sneak" the Maxwell pardon in? Are you suggesting that there are secret pardons beyond the 65 that cause you such olfactory distress? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Compelling stuff Buf. Edge of the seat observation. I hadn't thought of a presidential pardon as political in any way/shape/form in the past. This is the first time ever, and of course goes along with @transplantbillsfan and @Bob in Mich theory that no president has ever lied about anything ever. It's pretty shocking. Of course you're right --all the pardons that went before were those issued out of the goodness of presidential hearts to right wrongs and set the wrongly accused free. I am curious though--How would he "sneak" the Maxwell pardon in? Are you suggesting that there are secret pardons beyond the 65 that cause you such olfactory distress? By "sneak", I meant that he will do it at a time when there is a minimal amount of media attention... I am sure, even the blindest of Trump supporters have caught on to his "weekend newsdump" practice, after four years. As for the rest...bury your head in the sand. No doubt, other presidents have pardoned people who's fortunes were intertwined with their own...but not to this extent. But no other president has been soaking in so much criminality. If you think this is what all presidents do, you are a hopeless Cult .45'er. It's Christmas. Not worth the time to try to argue with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Compelling stuff Buf. Edge of the seat observation. I hadn't thought of a presidential pardon as political in any way/shape/form in the past. This is the first time ever, and of course goes along with @transplantbillsfan and @Bob in Mich theory that no president has ever lied about anything ever. It's pretty shocking. Of course you're right --all the pardons that went before were those issued out of the goodness of presidential hearts to right wrongs and set the wrongly accused free. I am curious though--How would he "sneak" the Maxwell pardon in? Are you suggesting that there are secret pardons beyond the 65 that cause you such olfactory distress? It's bad when the Repubs do...the same stuff they do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buftex said: By "sneak", I meant that he will do it at a time when there is a minimal amount of media attention... I am sure, even the blindest of Trump supporters have caught on to his "weekend newsdump" practice, after four years. As for the rest...bury your head in the sand. No doubt, other presidents have pardoned people who's fortunes were intertwined with their own...but not to this extent. But no other president has been soaking in so much criminality. If you think this is what all presidents do, you are a hopeless Cult .45'er. It's Christmas. Not worth the time to try to argue with you. I wasn’t arguing. I was saying if you think presidents and parties don’t maximize use of pardons for personal political gain, you’re a fool. Thank you for the clarity, you went with the ...”not to this extent” argument that’s so fashionable for liberal voters these days. Sound reasoning. Thanks for clarifying your point on ‘sneak’. That’s most definitely a thing, done all the time. 5 minutes ago, Doc said: It's bad when the Repubs do...the same stuff they do. Oh yeah, but only because of the “extent” rule. When Biden was accused of sexual assault by Tara Reade, I think the argument was that while he was alleged to have forcefully penetrated her with his fingers, it wasn’t to the “extent” that it mattered because as a non-Biden supported she was disposable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On the long list of government nonsense that causes me ulcers, presidential pardons is way, way down near the very bottom. No matter which President does it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Oh yeah, but only because of the “extent” rule. When Biden was accused of sexual assault by Tara Reade, I think the argument was that while he was alleged to have forcefully penetrated her with his fingers, it wasn’t to the “extent” that it mattered because as a non-Biden supported she was disposable. Oh yeah this reminds me has Trump given his DNA in that rape lawsuit yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 24 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Oh yeah this reminds me has Trump given his DNA in that rape lawsuit yet? The one where the woman had to be convinced by her friend that she’d been raped? And then later claimed that women fantasize about being raped and that it’s “sexy”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Doc said: The one where the woman had to be convinced by her friend that she’d been raped? And then later claimed that women fantasize about being raped and that it’s “sexy”? No the one where he attempted to use the Department of Justice as a shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Oh yeah this reminds me has Trump given his DNA in that rape lawsuit yet? Talk to me G money. What’s a rape lawsuit? Please be specific on the case your talking about—time date place and litigants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I wasn’t arguing. I was saying if you think presidents and parties don’t maximize use of pardons for personal political gain, you’re a fool. Thank you for the clarity, you went with the ...”not to this extent” argument that’s so fashionable for liberal voters these days. Sound reasoning. Thanks for clarifying your point on ‘sneak’. That’s most definitely a thing, done all the time. Oh yeah, but only because of the “extent” rule. A list of Obama's pardons. I think a reasonable person can see that that most all of them did not involve people who were trying to facilitate crimes for the benefit of the president. https://www.thoughtco.com/people-pardoned-by-president-barack-obama-3367599 Edited December 25, 2020 by Buftex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Buftex said: A list of Obama's pardons. I think a reasonable person can see that that most all of them did not involve people who were trying to facilitate crimes for the benefit of the president. https://www.thoughtco.com/people-pardoned-by-president-barack-obama-3367599 The amazing part is that he didn’t pardon any of the folks targeted during the no-holds barred partisan 4 year investigation into every aspect of his personal and political life. oh, wait.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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