Tyreek Hill thought Mahomes was "trash" in first training camp

[Whitey13]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

Fuller is absolutely a Top 15 WR in the NFL.

 

What the hell?

 

WR I'd take in front of Fuller and most would last better throughout a season since Will has yet to play 16 games in any year

Nuk

Tyreek Hill

Davante Adams

Stefon Diggs

Keenan Allen

Adam Theilen 

Mike Evans

Kenny Golladay

Tyler Lockett

DK Metcalf

Michael Thomas

Julio Jones

Chris Godwin

Bandon Cooks

Ty Hilton

[Big Turk]

13 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

No, they are competing against KC's Offense. KC's Offense will light up the scoreboard and there's nothing you can do about it. The only way to beat KC is to outscore them. And to do that, you need a completely stacked set of weapons. Relying on Gabe Davis and Devin Singletary to beat the Chiefs, will not get it done. Not enough. Not nearly enough. The Chiefs are a budding dynasty and it takes a special team knock them off. Will Fuller is a special, game-changing WR.

 

Actually there is something they could do about it...they already did.  They held KC's offense to 26 points and we were not playing particularly well that game on D...once we started pressuring Mahomes late in the game we got better results but it was already too late at that point.  

 

The whole reason we started pressuring more was because they saw the results they got from it even against Mahomes versus the results they got when sitting back in zones.

Edited December 3, 2020 by matter2003

[JoshAllenReceipts]

4 minutes ago, Whitey13 said:

 

WR I'd take in front of Fuller and most would last better throughout a season since Will has yet to play 16 games in any year

Nuk

Tyreek Hill

Davante Adams

Stefon Diggs

Keenan Allen

Adam Theilen 

Mike Evans

Kenny Golladay

Tyler Lockett

DK Metcalf

Michael Thomas

Julio Jones

Chris Godwin

Bandon Cooks

Ty Hilton

 

 

TY Hilton LOL. Now you're clearly trolling. Good one.

 

Isn't Fuller a Top 8 WR in Fantasy Scoring this year? And Fuller's true impact goes beyond his stats, btw.

[Whitey13]

Just now, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

 

TY Hilton LOL. Now you're clearly trolling. Good one.

 

Isn't Fuller a Top 8 WR in Fantasy Scoring this year? And Fuller's true impact goes beyond his stats, btw.

 

You're trying to pull in Fantasy stats into a whose a top WR in the NFL like fantasy actually matters.

 

I know true impact goes beyond stats. The Bills offense with John Brown scores 32 ppg and 22 without him. Maybe you should get off this Will Fuller is better than everyone lovefest

[Jay_Fixit]

I mean, I thought Mahomes was gonna be trash too and I never actually played with him.

 

Big whiff.

[JoshAllenReceipts]

6 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Actually there is something they could do about it...they already did.  They held KC's offense to 26 points and we were not playing particularly well that game on D...once we started pressuring Mahomes late in the game we got better results but it was already too late at that point.  

 

The whole reason we started pressuring more was because they saw the results they got from it even against Mahomes versus the results they got when sitting back in zones.

 

If Mahomes needs to drive the length of the field for a TD, he can and he will at any time that he wants to. 

 

"There is no defense for the perfect throw"

 

The Chiefs are going to score and you must be able to keep up. Period.

 

Give Josh a Will Fuller so he has a legit shot at beating Mahomes.

3 minutes ago, Whitey13 said:

 

You're trying to pull in Fantasy stats into a whose a top WR in the NFL like fantasy actually matters.

 

I know true impact goes beyond stats. The Bills offense with John Brown scores 32 ppg and 22 without him. Maybe you should get off this Will Fuller is better than everyone lovefest

 

 

TY Hilton

 

I repeat:TY Hilton

 

It's like you haven't been watching the 2020 season.

 

TY Hilton ? You're not even a good troll.

3 minutes ago, Whitey13 said:

 

You're trying to pull in Fantasy stats into a whose a top WR in the NFL like fantasy actually matters.

 

I know true impact goes beyond stats. The Bills offense with John Brown scores 32 ppg and 22 without him. Maybe you should get off this Will Fuller is better than everyone lovefest

 

 

Just look at Fuller's stats and impact on an Offense. He is clearly a Top 15 NFL WR and that's not up for debate. Forget Fantasy. Look at his STATS. 

 

You do realize that TY Hilton has been terrible this year, right ? Try watching football, this is pathetic. TY Hilton? Seriously?

Edited December 3, 2020 by JoshAllenReceipts

[Whitey13]

2 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

If Mahomes needs to drive the length of the field for a TD, he can and he will at any time that he wants to. 

 

"There is no defense for the perfect throw"

 

The Chiefs are going to score and you must be able to keep up. Period.

 

Give Josh a Will Fuller so he has a legit shot at beating Mahomes.

 

 

TY Hilton

 

I repeat:TY Hilton

 

It's like you haven't been watching the 2020 season.

 

TY Hilton ? You're not even a good troll.

 

Is that what has your panties in a knot? I'd take Courtland Sutton over him to and he hasn't played this year

[JoshAllenReceipts]

1 minute ago, Whitey13 said:

 

Is that what has your panties in a knot? I'd take Courtland Sutton over him to and he hasn't played this year

 

 

TY Hilton.

 

TY Hilton.

 

Better than Will Fuller.

 

In Year 2020.

 

You are special. Why am I arguing with you?

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

Fuller is absolutely a Top 15 WR in the NFL.

 

What the hell?

 

A guy who has never even had a 700 yard season before this year is suddenly a top 15 WR?  Where is Randy Moss??  C'MON MAN!

[JoshAllenReceipts]

1 minute ago, Whitey13 said:

 

Is that what has your panties in a knot? I'd take Courtland Sutton over him to and he hasn't played this year

 

I don't care who you would take over him, as you clearly are not the smartest tool in the shed. Your opinion means nothing to me. 

 

TY Hilton. In Year 2020. Wow. WOW.

[ROCBillsBeliever]

51 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

 

Holy smokes.

 

I stopped reading after that. That comment shows you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Will Fuller is one of the very best WRs in the world.

 

Will Fuller is on par with Stefon Diggs as a WR, not much difference. You can make the case that a healthy Fuller is even better than Diggs. He's certainly faster and more explosive than Diggs. He is a bonafide #1 WR, a true difference maker. The Texans Offense splits with and without Fuller are drastic. Fuller would make Josh better, makes all the other WRs better, makes the RBs better.

 

Imagine not understanding The Butterfly Effect on the entire Offense that a player like Will Fuller brings. Will Fuller is an impact weapon who makes everybody on his Offense better with his mere presence on the field.

 

Learn something, my guy.

 

 

You gotta play it a little more subtle, when you're the player's agent. People might catch on, bud  

[JoshAllenReceipts]

Just now, matter2003 said:

 

A guy who has never even had a 700 yard season before this year is suddenly a top 15 WR?  Where is Randy Moss??  C'MON MAN!

 

Why would u not include this year? The most recent year is the most relevant.

 

Is Josh Allen not a Top 10 QB right now because he never threw for 300 yards in a game before this year? Your logic makes 0 sense.

 

A healthy Fuller is a Top 10 WR every time he steps on the field.

[Whitey13]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

I don't care who you would take over him, as you clearly are not the smartest tool in the shed. Your opinion means nothing to me. 

 

TY Hilton. In Year 2020. Wow. WOW.

 

Your problem is you're just looking and arguing for Will Fuller in 2020 and not his career. 

 

Anyways like you said this is going no where, have a good day.

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

If Mahomes needs to drive the length of the field for a TD, he can and he will at any time that he wants to. 

 

"There is no defense for the perfect throw"

 

The Chiefs are going to score and you must be able to keep up. Period.

 

Give Josh a Will Fuller so he has a legit shot at beating Mahomes.

 

 

TY Hilton

 

I repeat:TY Hilton

 

It's like you haven't been watching the 2020 season.

 

TY Hilton ? You're not even a good troll.

 

 

Just look at Fuller's stats and impact on an Offense. He is clearly a Top 15 NFL WR and that's not up for debate. Forget Fantasy. Look at his STATS. 

 

You do realize that TY Hilton has been terrible this year, right ? Try watching football, this is pathetic. TY Hilton? Seriously?

 

If he could do it anytime he wanted to, they would never punt. They would never be in close games.  They would never see leads evaporate like against TB last week or have to get a last second score to win in like they did against Carolina and the Raiders(2nd game). They wouldn't have had to go to OT to beat a Chargers team with a rookie QB playing in his first game that he found out literally right before kickoff he was playing in. They certainly wouldn't get their ass kicked in the second half like they did against the Raiders in the first game.

 

Oh but let me guess...he really wasn't trying to score in those games for a lot of them right?

 

Let's jump off Mahomes nuts for a second. The Chiefs are very good, but they are not invincible.  They are not Patriot level of unbeatable and likely never will be.  No team probably will be again.

Edited December 3, 2020 by matter2003

[JoshAllenReceipts]

1 minute ago, Whitey13 said:

 

Your problem is you're just looking and arguing for Will Fuller in 2020 and not his career. 

 

Anyways like you said this is going no where, have a good day.

 

 

"TY Hilton is better than Will Fuller"

 

 

Wow. You were serious too. Yikes.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

 

"TY Hilton is better than Will Fuller"

 

 

Wow. You were serious too. Yikes.

 

This is a bills message board - we're all friends here (for the most part anyway).  This isn't twitter... let it go.

[noacls]

Fuller is a bum,  was nothing until he got all juiced up!

[Beast]

On 12/2/2020 at 10:37 AM, ScottLaw said:

Good call... I recall a poster here getting trashed because he spoke to Ed Oliver at a bar and Oliver said Allen was trash. 

 

Poor guy got absolutely destroyed here... im sure the story was 100% true.

But if that poster said Oliver told him Allen was an amazing QB, I bet you wouldn’t have believed him.

[downunderbill]

22 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Gee.... people overreacting on TBD...

 

Does that happen often?

 

Certainly not in gameday threads.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

This is a bills message board - we're all friends here (for the most part anyway).  This isn't twitter... let it go.

 

It's the Ten Duel Commandments

It's the Ten Duel Commandments

Number one

The challenge, demand satisfaction
If they apologize, no need for further action...

 

Number two

If they don't, grab a friend, that's your second

Your lieutenant when there's reckoning to be reckoned

 

Number three
Have your seconds meet face to face

Negotiate a peace

Or negotiate a time and place

This is commonplace, 'specially 'tween recruits

Most disputes die, and no one shoots

Number four
If they don't reach a peace, that's alright
Time to get some pistols and a doctor on site

You pay him in advance, you treat him with civility

You have him turn around so he can have deniability

 

Five

Duel before the sun is in the sky

Pick a place to die where it's high and dry

Number six

Leave a note for your next of kin
Tell 'em where you been
Pray that hell or heaven lets you in

 

Seven

Confess your sins
Ready for the moment of adrenaline when you finally face your opponent

 

Number eight

Your last chance to negotiate
Send in your seconds, see if they can set the record straight

Dneveu

Matter2003, sir

Can we agree that forum fights are dumb and immature?

Sure
But your man has to answer for his words, Dveneu

With a loss? We both know that's absurd, sir

Hang on, how many lost their fantasy leagues because Fuller was injured or suspended?

Okay, so we're doin' this

 

Number nine

Look 'em in the eye, aim no higher
Summon all the courage you require
Then count

One two three four

Five six seven eight nine

 

Number

Ten paces

Fire

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

It's the Ten Duel Commandments

It's the Ten Duel Commandments

Number one

The challenge, demand satisfaction
If they apologize, no need for further action...

 

Number two

If they don't, grab a friend, that's your second

Your lieutenant when there's reckoning to be reckoned

 

Number three
Have your seconds meet face to face

Negotiate a peace

Or negotiate a time and place

This is commonplace, 'specially 'tween recruits

Most disputes die, and no one shoots

Number four
If they don't reach a peace, that's alright
Time to get some pistols and a doctor on site

You pay him in advance, you treat him with civility

You have him turn around so he can have deniability

 

Five

Duel before the sun is in the sky

Pick a place to die where it's high and dry

Number six

Leave a note for your next of kin
Tell 'em where you been
Pray that hell or heaven lets you in

 

Seven

Confess your sins
Ready for the moment of adrenaline when you finally face your opponent

 

Number eight

Your last chance to negotiate
Send in your seconds, see if they can set the record straight

Dneveu

Matter2003, sir

Can we agree that forum fights are dumb and immature?

Sure
But your man has to answer for his words, Dveneu

With a loss? We both know that's absurd, sir

Hang on, how many lost their fantasy leagues because Fuller was injured or suspended?

Okay, so we're doin' this

 

Number nine

Look 'em in the eye, aim no higher
Summon all the courage you require
Then count

One two three four

Five six seven eight nine

 

Number

Ten paces

Fire

 

Talk less... smile more. 😃

[LeGOATski]

On 12/2/2020 at 8:58 AM, matter2003 said:

 

Some games he definitely would be in the discussion, others not so much. Still working on consistency but his floor has moved up tremendously since his rookie year.

 

Josh playing his worst game is still good enough to probably beat half the teams in the league of not more.

 

Also...as an aside...has Josh ever thrown a pick 6? I don't recall seeing one...some QBs have a tendency for those type of INTs like Winston(and Matt Schaub going back a while) and others never seem to have them happen...

Well, now you've done it!

 

Wtf man....

 

#1 fan rule: don't jinx your own team!

[mjt328]

5 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

Holy smokes.

 

I stopped reading after that. That comment shows you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Will Fuller is one of the very best WRs in the world.

 

Will Fuller is on par with Stefon Diggs as a WR, not much difference. You can make the case that a healthy Fuller is even better than Diggs. He's certainly faster and more explosive than Diggs. He is a bonafide #1 WR, a true difference maker. The Texans Offense splits with and without Fuller are drastic. Fuller would make Josh better, makes all the other WRs better, makes the RBs better.

 

Imagine not understanding The Butterfly Effect on the entire Offense that a player like Will Fuller brings. Will Fuller is an impact weapon who makes everybody on his Offense better with his mere presence on the field.

 

Learn something, my guy.

 

I feel like you are overrating Fuller by quite a bit.

 

He wasn't even the #1 wide receiver on his own team until this year, after DeAndre Hopkins was traded.

He has never played a full season in 5 years, and just got suspended for the remainder of 2020.

 

I'm not necessarily a stat guy.  But this is the first season Fuller has ever caught more than 50 balls.  He's never had more than 1000 yards.  He's never had double-digit touchdowns.  As the top (and pretty much only target) on the Houston offense, his projected stats (before the suspension) would have looked remarkably similar to what John Brown put up on our pathetic offense in 2019.  Fuller's per game stats over the first five years of his career are as follows... 3.9 catches per game, 58.6 yards per game, 0.45 touchdowns per game.

 

So again, my question is...

Why do we dump John Brown, who has already proven to be a key piece in THIS offense (not Houston's), so we can spend MORE money on a guy who has put up similar numbers through his career, can't stay healthy and is already on the NFL's substance abuse watch list?

 

 

[Ramza86]

4 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said:

 

 

TY Hilton LOL. Now you're clearly trolling. Good one.

 

Isn't Fuller a Top 8 WR in Fantasy Scoring this year? And Fuller's true impact goes beyond his stats, btw.

 

OK ill help him out....Ill take out TY and add

 

Terry Mclaurin

Bobby Woods

Allen Robinson

Cooper Kupp

All 3 Steeler WRs

AJ Brown

[JoshAllenReceipts]

17 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

 

OK ill help him out....Ill take out TY and add

 

Terry Mclaurin

Bobby Woods

Allen Robinson

Cooper Kupp

All 3 Steeler WRs

AJ Brown

 

Nope.

 

 

27 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

I feel like you are overrating Fuller by quite a bit.

 

He wasn't even the #1 wide receiver on his own team until this year, after DeAndre Hopkins was traded.

He has never played a full season in 5 years, and just got suspended for the remainder of 2020.

 

I'm not necessarily a stat guy.  But this is the first season Fuller has ever caught more than 50 balls.  He's never had more than 1000 yards.  He's never had double-digit touchdowns.  As the top (and pretty much only target) on the Houston offense, his projected stats (before the suspension) would have looked remarkably similar to what John Brown put up on our pathetic offense in 2019.  Fuller's per game stats over the first five years of his career are as follows... 3.9 catches per game, 58.6 yards per game, 0.45 touchdowns per game.

 

So again, my question is...

Why do we dump John Brown, who has already proven to be a key piece in THIS offense (not Houston's), so we can spend MORE money on a guy who has put up similar numbers through his career, can't stay healthy and is already on the NFL's substance abuse watch list?

 

 

 

 

If John Brown can't return to form this season, he may be a Cut Candidate this offseason. He signed a 3 year deal 2 years ago and only the 1st 2 years were grtd.

 

If the Bills decide to cut J Brown due to age/injury/unreliability....that opens the door for Fuller as a replacement (Upgrade)

 

The fit in Buffalo is perfect too. Fuller belongs in a Spread Passing Offense with a big-arm QB.

Edited December 3, 2020 by JoshAllenReceipts

[Jay_Fixit]

I just read someone say Will Fuller is a top 15 WR in the NFL.

 

Trolling or not, that’s a serious LOL.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

On 12/3/2020 at 7:35 AM, JoshAllenReceipts said:

The Bills can sign their own version of Tyreek Hill this offseason...Will Fuller is an UFA. I would try and sign Will Fuller as a replacement for J Brown. Pair him with Diggs on the outside next year and the Offense could average 40 points per game. Fuller's PED suspension lowers his price tag, opening the door for the Bills to steal him. He is a PERFECT fit in the Bills Spread Offense.

 

Stefon Diggs is not enough weaponry to beat the Chiefs. This team needs Will Fuller to become unstoppable.

 

This football team is driven by Josh Allen and the WRs, so I would definitely make Will Fuller the #1 priority Free Agent. 

 

Message to Bills GM Brandon Beane, Key Steps to building 2021 Bills:

 

1) Sign Will Fuller in FA.

2) Draft the best available TE in Round 1.

3) Draft the best available RB in Round 2, an explosive homerun type RB.

 

Surround Josh with the best weapons you can possibly surround him with, and just let him smash teams on a weekly basis.

 

"But what about the Defense???" Focus on situational Defense. Be good enough. Nobody in the NFL really plays defense anymore, besides the Steelers (they are the 1 outlier)

 

 

 

1) The likelihood of them signing an expensive FA next year with $2.9 Mill left under the cap to roll over to next year and $4.8M  available next year ... effectively zero. Expect our most expensive FA to be barely mid-range.

 

2) And plenty of people play defense. Not all play sensational defense but most of the best teams play good defense. The difference between the 2018 Chiefs and the 2019 SB winners was picking up two defensive difference makers (Mathieu and Frank Clark) and getting a lot better on that side of the ball. The Saints have a terrific defense, as of course do the Steelers and Ravens. So do the Rams, Colts, Dolphins and the Niners, who if they weren't horribly injured would be easily a top ten team.

 

2) A TE and an RB in rounds one and two? That might not be zero but it's wildly low. RB isn't one of their top five needs. TE might be top 5 but they're unlikely to address it with a first-rounder.

[Thurman#1]

23 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

Actually there is something they could do about it...they already did.  They held KC's offense to 26 points and we were not playing particularly well that game on D...once we started pressuring Mahomes late in the game we got better results but it was already too late at that point.  

 

The whole reason we started pressuring more was because they saw the results they got from it even against Mahomes versus the results they got when sitting back in zones.

 

 

They used coverage against Mahomes. It worked very well but KC just said, oh ok, we'll just run all game.

[dma0034]

15 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I just read someone say Will Fuller is a top 15 WR in the NFL.

 

Trolling or not, that’s a serious LOL.

 

 

 

I think he's in the discussion but not there. I mostly say this because he never plays a full season. 

 

Elite:

Mike Thomas

DK Metcalf

Julio Jones

Tyreek Hill

Adam Theilen

Deandre Hopkins

Stefon Diggs

Devante Adams

Keenan Allen

Terry McClaurin

 

--Very good:

Devonte Parker

Justin Jefferson

Cooper Kupp

Robert Woods

Allen Robinson

AJ Brown

Tyler Lockett

Chris Godwin

Mike Evans

Will Fuller

OBJ

Javoris Landry

Kenny Golladay

Calvin Ridley

Tyler Boyd

Tee Higgins

 

[Jay_Fixit]

11 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

I think he's in the discussion but not there. I mostly say this because he never plays a full season. 

 

Elite:

Mike Thomas

DK Metcalf

Julio Jones

Tyreek Hill

Adam Theilen

Deandre Hopkins

Stefon Diggs

Devante Adams

Keenan Allen

Terry McClaurin

 

--Very good:

Devonte Parker

Justin Jefferson

Cooper Kupp

Robert Woods

Allen Robinson

AJ Brown

Tyler Lockett

Chris Godwin

Mike Evans

Will Fuller

OBJ

Javoris Landry

Kenny Golladay

Calvin Ridley

Tyler Boyd

Tee Higgins

 

Outside of maybe Devante Parker, I’d take every single one of those receivers over Will Fuller.

[C.Biscuit97]

18 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I just read someone say Will Fuller is a top 15 WR in the NFL.

 

Trolling or not, that’s a serious LOL.

 

 

Fuller is a less durable Lee Evans. A good player but if he’s your number 1, you are not going to be that good.