97bills Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 12 hours ago, ytownblofan said: Hyde is a leader both on the field and in the locker room, and if we have learned anything from McD he is willing to keep and continue to pay his leaders (looking at you Lee Smith). I personally would be shocked if we moved on from him. I agree but I would love to add someone that can bring the wood in run support 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I’d be surprised if they cut him before his deal ran out but wouldn’t be all that worried. He’s certainly replaceable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 If they had a guy on the team ready to step up it would make sense. Do not create a hole and need. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, 97bills said: I agree but I would love to add someone that can bring the wood in run support I had a quick look for something that explains the role of a free safety. Not sure it's the best, found this: https://postemaperformance.com/free-safety-position-football/ Run-stopping While they don’t have as physical of a role in the running game as strong safeties, run support is very important. As they usually are lined up in a deep part of the field, they have to find the ball carrier, pursue at the right angle, and make a solid tackle. For the majority of the game, they are lined up deep, which means they are the last line of defense. If a free safety is making too many tackles in the running game, that likely means that the defenders in front of them are losing their individual battle. The safety should be exactly that, a safety net that you hopefully won’t need but is there if they have to prevent a big play. Note the point that the job of the free safety as a last line of defense, focuses on his ability to take at the right angle and make a solid tackle and to pursue the play if needed. A free safety who "brings the wood" too hard may tend to miss altogether, which is the very thing a good free safety is NEVER to do. I mean, sure, it would be great to have Ed Reed or Eric Berry, but those guys were both drafted in the 1st round for a reason, and stayed on the teams that drafted them pretty much all career for a reason too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I had a quick look for something that explains the role of a free safety. Not sure it's the best, found this: https://postemaperformance.com/free-safety-position-football/ Run-stopping While they don’t have as physical of a role in the running game as strong safeties, run support is very important. As they usually are lined up in a deep part of the field, they have to find the ball carrier, pursue at the right angle, and make a solid tackle. For the majority of the game, they are lined up deep, which means they are the last line of defense. If a free safety is making too many tackles in the running game, that likely means that the defenders in front of them are losing their individual battle. The safety should be exactly that, a safety net that you hopefully won’t need but is there if they have to prevent a big play. Note the point that the job of the free safety as a last line of defense, focuses on his ability to take at the right angle and make a solid tackle and to pursue the play if needed. A free safety who "brings the wood" too hard may tend to miss altogether, which is the very thing a good free safety is NEVER to do. I mean, sure, it would be great to have Ed Reed or Eric Berry, but those guys were both drafted in the 1st round for a reason, and stayed on the teams that drafted them pretty much all career for a reason too. 👍🏼 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I sure hope he doesn't leave. He's very good and we don't need any more soft spots on our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Guess we may find out what our depth at FS looks like today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 On 10/30/2020 at 1:08 PM, Thurman#1 said: I think the cap saving is even slightly less than that. $4.05 M salary $1.0 M roster bonus $100K workout bonus ... so we'd get out of paying $5.15M, but ... We'd be hit with $1.6 M in dead money. So the total saved would be $3.65 M ... ... unless he collects his contractual Pro Bowl bonus of $400K, and if he makes the Pro Bowl he'll have very easily been worth $4.05 M You're right that $3.65M is not a lot of space and that we wouldn't get a comp pick, and that we would almost certainly have to spend yet more money to bring in an FA to replace him. The OP doesn't make any real sense. The $1.6M from his signing bonus counts toward the cap whether he’s on the team or not. His roster bonus and salary ($5.15M total) only count if he’s on the team. So it’s a $1.6M hit if he’s cut or traded in the offseason or $6.75M if he is on the team. The cap savings is $5.15M (less his replacement’s cost if you want to be technical). Personally I want him on the team. The only thing I’d want to see besides him playing out his contract would be an extension. I will watch his play more closely since some are saying he isn’t having a good season. Even if that’s true, he has played well up until now and he’s still only 29. Maybe he’s playing with an injury or he’s trying to cover for the LBs. I don’t know, but he has earned the benefit of doubt IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, BarleyNY said: The $1.6M from his signing bonus counts toward the cap whether he’s on the team or not. His roster bonus and salary ($5.15M total) only count if he’s on the team. So it’s a $1.6M hit if he’s cut or traded in the offseason or $6.75M if he is on the team. The cap savings is $5.15M (less his replacement’s cost if you want to be technical). Personally I want him on the team. The only thing I’d want to see besides him playing out his contract would be an extension. I will watch his play more closely since some are saying he isn’t having a good season. Even if that’s true, he has played well up until now and he’s still only 29. Maybe he’s playing with an injury or he’s trying to cover for the LBs. I don’t know, but he has earned the benefit of doubt IMO. I want him on the team as well. Unless we draft a safety high - which seems unlikely - or unless Marlowe or Jaquan Johnson are ready to take over, we'd have to replace him with a lower-priced FA which would likely mean a less effective player. Thanks for the corrections, I screwed that up. Edited November 2, 2020 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Hyde has been a good leader, but I just don't feel like there was anything missing with Marlowe in there yesterday. Marlowe ends up with 6 unassisted tackles and a fumble recovery to end the game. Maybe if NE had a better passing game we would have seen Marlowe exposed more in coverage but Hyde just has failed to make almost any impact plays the last 2 seasons. Hyde had 5 ints in 2017 while in 2019 and 2020 he has had just 1. I don't want to release players just to release them but going forward we need to start getting better value from the veterans we choose to pay as the cap situation requires it. Tough decisions need to be made and if they are not made then this team will not sustain any success. Good teams need to draft well and have young cheap talent constantly replacing the bloated veteran contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, racketmaster said: Hyde has been a good leader, but I just don't feel like there was anything missing with Marlowe in there yesterday. Marlowe ends up with 6 unassisted tackles and a fumble recovery to end the game. Maybe if NE had a better passing game we would have seen Marlowe exposed more in coverage but Hyde just has failed to make almost any impact plays the last 2 seasons. Hyde had 5 ints in 2017 while in 2019 and 2020 he has had just 1. I don't want to release players just to release them but going forward we need to start getting better value from the veterans we choose to pay as the cap situation requires it. Tough decisions need to be made and if they are not made then this team will not sustain any success. Good teams need to draft well and have young cheap talent constantly replacing the bloated veteran contracts. We played a team with the worst passing offense in the NFL, on a windy day. I don't think the Free safety was going to be featured. If he misses Seattle too, we can talk about marlowe as a suitable replacement free safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, dneveu said: We played a team with the worst passing offense in the NFL, on a windy day. I don't think the Free safety was going to be featured. If he misses Seattle too, we can talk about marlowe as a suitable replacement free safety. Hyde playing against Seattle will mean nothing. Hyde is useless out there. I'm sure he will float around and make tackles 30 yards down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Hyde playing against Seattle will mean nothing. Hyde is useless out there. I'm sure he will float around and make tackles 30 yards down the field. I think the idea is being in the right place to make plays on the ball so they can't get multiple deep completions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 45 minutes ago, dneveu said: I think the idea is being in the right place to make plays on the ball so they can't get multiple deep completions. You need more than that out a high paid FS. You send out a rookie to stand back there and do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: You need more than that out a high paid FS. You send out a rookie to stand back there and do that. Do tell. I guess 32 GMs on 32 teams that value play at FS are just dumb then. Look, at least educate yourself about the role of a free safety and why it's a difficult position to play and why teams around the league spend an average of $6M at the position (the current world champions, KC, are spending $23M this year) before running off your mouth. Hyde is not a "high paid free safety". He's paid just slightly above average at the position. When he's standing "off the TV screen" it's because that's what the play calls for him to do. There's far more to a FS position than "stand back there" and there's a reason most teams don't have a rookie out there doing that, unless they draft one high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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