People need to check themselves

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

McDermott will never be more than a mediocre coach, he is already severly outclassed by the likes of Vrabel and many other first time young HC's.

I remember when people said that about Andy Reid.

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Oliver is playing with a leg still likely not 100%, heard this was the first game without a knee brace.

 

Doubt Edmunds shoulder is OK.  Won't be surprised if a couple weeks after the season ends, you hear he's having surgery one it.  Likely one of these injuries that playing on it won't make it worse, but basically he's playing with one arm.

 

Milano missed three complete games and didn't finish two others, played a total of a little over two whole games.

 

Norman and Wallace have both been active and healthy for about ten minutes this year.

 

H Phillips is about one full year beyond ACL injury

 

By my account we've lost 5 games by starters on defense and 4 on offense.  Did we lose nine games of starters to injury all of last season total?

 

Many teams have lost players to injury,  or even didn't bring back many starters from last season, where as we did, think it was 18 starters total.   So why in particular on the defensive side are we playing so bad, injuries and don't think this team has much depth there to overcome.

 

In the past Beane has been given great credit for finding gems like a Jordan Phillips, this year excluding Williams the tackle, Beane's luck may have run out in that regard.

We were very healthy last season.

[Penfield45]

Why do fans always have to bring up how bad we used to be when trying to defend McDermott 

 

usually when all you have is the bad teams of the past to defend your HC ...he isn’t very good 

3 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

Titans?

we beat the titans with Mariota and they missed 6 field goals lol 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Penfield45

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

Compare him to the rest of the league now not the Bills ineptitude of the last 20 years.

 

 

Ok he went to the playoffs two out of the last three years with Tyrod Taylor and a second year Rookie QB that was very raw.  How many of the other coaches have done that the last 3 years.

[Do The Reich Thing]

3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

4th and inches, we have 4 DL on the LOS, 3 LB's 3 yards off the LOS, 2 CB's on receivers, and no idea where the safeties were.  The prosecution rests y'ana.

I about lost my ***** when I saw this happen live. 

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

With the schedule as it was I would have been thrilled with 4-2 in the beginning of the season.     It is way too early to panic but something does need to be done about the front seven.   It is possible to still support the team and see them as a playoff contender and at the same time still be worried about a potential glaring hole that could damage the season if not addressed.

Isn't it amazing that people who picked us to be 9-7 are upset because we are 4-2.  Lol some sports fans really amaze me.

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Nobody with half a brain wants to see anyone fired at this point.  It's just blowing off steam.  

 

But there is concern.  I was willing to give the entire team a pass for last week given the injuries and strange circumstances leading up to the game.  This week, though, they seemed clearly outclassed in every respect.  Yes, the Chiefs are a damn good team and the reigning champs, but they shouldn't be able to dominate a legitimate playoff team on the road like they did.  The way we played (and coached), we weren't beating many teams tonight (outside of the absolute dregs like the NJ teams).

The goal should never be the playoffs. You play any sport to achieve a championship. This current 2020 team has a promising qb and terrible defense. This team is not structured to make a deep playoff run. We're basically getting scolded by the OP because we're tired of accepting mediocrity.  And yes making the playoffs every year but getting bounced immediately IS MEDIOCRITY.  Ask Andy Dalton. Other than the Jets this week I don't see another guaranteed win on our schedule. Even the Chargers (Herbert) and Broncos (Lock) will be tough games. The remainder of this season will be brutal if we don't get help on defense. 

Edited October 20, 2020 by LABILLBACKER

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

Go ask Bengals fans what they thought about Marvin Lewis 

 

McD was a great coach to get us over that hump but he will never take us deep into the playoffs or win a SB. He just isn't at that level. years of mediocrity have blinded bills fans into believing he is a top tier HC. 

I remember some people on this board saying what a great coach Marvin Lewis is/was.

 

"Hey, he gets his team to the playoffs, right?"

4 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Do we?

Yes

[BullBuchanan]

I've seen this movie too many times.

Yes, McDermott lead the team that broke the curse, and he'll always hold a place in Bills history for that. However, you can't just rest on that. Both times we did it stacking wins against inferior competition, and this year so far is shaping up to be much of the same. If we keep getting blown out by anyone that's an actual championship contender, then we aren't contenders - we're pretenders.

You shouldn't get praise for that just because you're in Buffalo.

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

McDermott has basically been the same mayonnaise all 4 years he's been here...

yeah, we should fire him because there’s no chance he gets any better.

12 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

Beat the bad teams, lose against the good ones.

 

Pull a win out of your ass. Finish around .500 yearly. 

 

Take advantage of weak schedules.

Career .500 coach.

 

IF McDermott is Lewis, move on sooner rather than later.

GO watch tapes of Jim Kelly to make yourself feel better.

 

I haven't seen a good football team for more than 2/3 of my entire life.

Hes not entirely wrong.

 

McD for the culture guy he is great at he is equally as bad at coaching football games.

 

 

 

Yeah, McDermott is bad at coaching football games.....

 

Beane is bad at drafting and signing free agents.....

 

All part of overreaction Monday/Tuesday 
 

 

 

 

[CountDorkula]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

yeah, we should fire him because there’s no chance he gets any better.

Yeah, McDermott is bad at coaching football games.....

 

Beane is bad at drafting and signing free agents.....

 

All part of overreaction Monday/Tuesday 
 

 

 

 

Ive been on this I dont like Mcdermotts style for a long time now. You can go back to his first year here and find me saying teh exact same stuff.

 

My attitude towards him hasn't changed.

[twist_to_open]

14 hours ago, Watkins90 said:

Before Sean McDermott, this team hadn't made the playoffs in 17 years. We were the butt of the NFL for, forever. 

 

McDermott has gotten us to the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years. Think about that, we went 17 years without a playoff appearance and now we have been there two out of the last 3 years. 

 

I don't get the hate for McDermott, he has simply gotten the job done. He has gotten us what we all wanted, a chance at the Super Bowl. You can't get a chance if you don't make the playoffs. Beane and McDermott reset this team, and are now building it to compete each and every year. Now, it's about building on last year's playoff appearance and turning it into a playoff win and then eventually a Super Bowl. I think some here forget how bad it was here for 17 years. 

 

Let's cool the fire everyone takes. Lets see where this team is after the Patriots game. 

I wish I would've read this post before I burnt all my Bills gear!

[NewEra]

12 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

The best since those coaches, but is he really that good? He's 29-25, with the majority of those wins against bad teams. And his defense is in the midst of an epic collapse. Pretty mediocre I think.

He made the playoffs with Tyrod and Nathan peterman.  Look at the team he inherited.  Look at how they broke down that team, gutted it and still made the playoffs....with a bunch of bums.  But he’s bar a coaching football.

 

 

He’s not Bill Belichick.  Bill Belichick wasn’t always Bill Belichick.  6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 11-5, 5-11.  36-44.  He certainly wasn’t any good.
 

Andy Reid was fired.  I’ve heard that Andy Reid sucks for 2 decades....right here on this board.

 

John harbaugh was about to be fired.  He sucks.

 

Dick vermeil is 120-109- he sucks, barely .500

 

Marv Levy was 31-42 After his first 5 years.....prior to coaching the Bills.

 

So, do you propose that we fire McDermott?

 

 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Ive been on this I dont like Mcdermotts style for a long time now. You can go back to his first year here and find me saying teh exact same stuff.

 

My attitude towards him hasn't changed.

You sound a lot like bomani Jones talking about Josh Allen

 

You hated him from the start and you can’t admit that he’s getting better. 

 

he’s a good coach.  think w/e you like. 

[NewEra]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

Not right now no. But forget making any hay with Allen on his rookie deal with this vanilla coach...

 

If McDermott doesn't win a playoff game this season he is on the hotseat with potentially firing next season if things are not looking MUCH better.

 

McDermott is THE reason the Bills did not select Mahomes, he wanted to build the defense first. A defense that after 3+ years of building is bottom 5...

Keep thinking that.....you’re wrong.   Why would he then trade up for Zay Jones and draft Dawkins with his next 3 picks?  
 

Carolina is THE reason we didn’t select Mahomes.  Beane and Co didn’t scout QBs in Carolina because they had Cam.  While he wasn’t yet our GM, he had more to do with it than is said in the media, hence, why you think it was McD that wanted to build a D, while using 2 of his first 3 picks on O.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

14 hours ago, Watkins90 said:

Before Sean McDermott, this team hadn't made the playoffs in 17 years. We were the butt of the NFL for, forever. 

 

McDermott has gotten us to the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years. Think about that, we went 17 years without a playoff appearance and now we have been there two out of the last 3 years. 

 

I don't get the hate for McDermott, he has simply gotten the job done. He has gotten us what we all wanted, a chance at the Super Bowl. You can't get a chance if you don't make the playoffs. Beane and McDermott reset this team, and are now building it to compete each and every year. Now, it's about building on last year's playoff appearance and turning it into a playoff win and then eventually a Super Bowl. I think some here forget how bad it was here for 17 years. 

 

Let's cool the fire everyone takes. Lets see where this team is after the Patriots game. 

You don’t want to be the 2011-2015 Cincinnati Bengals, who made the Playoffs for 5 straight years and couldn’t win a single game. Then the core got old, attrition and regression in draft hits took the team apart.

 

The bar should be raised now to win a Playoff game. Not hey look, we’re still in the league.

[billsfan61184]

How about the defense yielding 245 yards in the ground and 466 overall in which a team did what they wanted when they wanted. How about 15 percent or $30M of our entire cap tied up in 3 DEs in Hughes, Addison and Murphy and all we have is 4 sacks from these 3 guys. We have too many hard working, over paid defensive guys courtesy of coach. We made great strides with the passing offense. This league is now a year to year league because of qb contracts. In this day and age ..... with qbs on rookie contracts you can't afford to waste their early years. This putrid defense is on coach and GM. It's only going to get more difficult when 20 percent of cap is tied up in qb in a few years. Can't afford to keep a 29 yr old run stopper on edge for almost 9m in Murphy. Could have used that money this year to get a legitimate starting lb to go next to Edmunds and Milano and not have some washed up imposter playing the role of a starting lb in Klein. it's time for a change in philosophy with the d line. Hard working over achievers arent going to cut it..... it's time for a pure edge rusher with our top pick. If Oliver is going to make it in this league it's not between the "A" gap.... he's getting destroyed/ manhandled. It's time to adapt to your talent coach..... definition of insanity is doing same thing over and over and expecting different results. Quintin Jefferson is not a DT....he's a hybrid..... you don't think teams know we have an undersized DT in Oliver and a hybrid guy that should be more outside in a 3-4 defense in Jefferson. Put this with Edmunds not getting off blocks and ultimately you have holes the size of the Grand Canyon in the middle of our defense. It also has made our safeties reactive with absolutely no proactive ability to cause havoc with pre snap looks or deceptions. They have become paralyzed tacklers on the back end because of having to make so many tackles and not being able to be aggressive at the line of scrimmage.

[CountDorkula]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He made the playoffs with Tyrod and Nathan peterman.  Look at the team he inherited.  Look at how they broke down that team, gutted it and still made the playoffs....with a bunch of bums.  But he’s bar a coaching football.

 

 

He’s not Bill Belichick.  Bill Belichick wasn’t always Bill Belichick.  6-10, 7-9, 7-9, 11-5, 5-11.  36-44.  He certainly wasn’t any good.
 

Andy Reid was fired.  I’ve heard that Andy Reid sucks for 2 decades....right here on this board.

 

John harbaugh was about to be fired.  He sucks.

 

Dick vermeil is 120-109- he sucks, barely .500

 

Marv Levy was 31-42 After his first 5 years.....prior to coaching the Bills.

 

So, do you propose that we fire McDermott?

 

 

 

 

 

You sound a lot like bomani Jones talking about Josh Allen

 

You hated him from the start and you can’t admit that he’s getting better. 

 

he’s a good coach.  think w/e you like. 

 

Dan Quinn made a superbowl in Atlanta, lost and just got fired.

 

The bar needs to be higher than Look the team is relevant and in games now.

 

McDermott has not improved as a head coach. Still makes bad in game decisions, is awful with clock management. uses timeouts and weird and inopportune times.

 

hes currently a few games over .500

 

The next 6 weeks after the Jets game is going to tell us who McDermott is, no more cupcake schedule.

 

There is a very real chance that this team goes on an extended losing streak against the like of Seattle, AZ, New England, LAC, Pitsburgh, San Fran

 

 

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Honestly, "blah blah blah", being an NFL HC is a results based position, and McDermott is not much over .500 all the while not having any great wins.

 

He needs to get results come playoff time, bottom line. He has not improved his gameday management going on 4 seasons, he's soft. He currently has no running game, his vaunted D has epically fallen and his QB is regressing.  Not looking good for him IMO.

the Blah blah blah is you just making stuff up

yeah, he sucks, fire him. That’s what you said.

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

Why do fans always have to bring up how bad we used to be when trying to defend McDermott 

 

usually when all you have is the bad teams of the past to defend your HC ...he isn’t very good 

we beat the titans with Mariota and they missed 6 field goals lol 

 

Well Bills made a crap load of mistakes didn't help neither in previous game. lol 

[CountDorkula]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

the Blah blah blah is you just making stuff up

yeah, he sucks, fire him. That’s what you said.

 

Firing him right now is not the plan.

 

Lets see where we are in 4 weeks. very winnable Jets game followed by a gauntlet of teams that are Some of the best in the NFL currently.

 

Is the Bills go on a 3,4 o5 game losing streak questions need to be answered. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

13 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

 

Dan Quinn made a superbowl in Atlanta, lost and just got fired.

 

The bar needs to be higher than Look the team is relevant and in games now.

 

McDermott has not improved as a head coach. Still makes bad in game decisions, is awful with clock management. uses timeouts and weird and inopportune times.

 

hes currently a few games over .500

 

The next 6 weeks after the Jets game is going to tell us who McDermott is, no more cupcake schedule.

 

There is a very real chance that this team goes on an extended losing streak against the like of Seattle, AZ, New England, LAC, Pitsburgh, San Fran

 

 

Absolutely. 

 

I don't want to hear about Allen being raw out of Wyoming, or Edmunds is only in his third year, or Oliver is still adjusting. 

 

These are your franchise cornerstones. And if they can't get it done, it's on Beane to identify it and keep the pipeline of talent flowing in here. 

 

Fans should be past clapping like seals for ending The Drought. 

 

A 10-3 loss in Jacksonville when Bortles played the worst game of his career is not going in the keepsake of cherished memories. Also, squandering a 16-0 lead against a middling Texans team with Allen panicking is not quality. 

 

The realistic bar should be ending the Playoff Win Drought at 25 years this year. 

 

We love ya' McDermott, but the expectations should be higher for this team. We need to win a Playoff game this season.