3rdnlng Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 58 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: IF Biden wins I fully expect him to serve a full term. But then what? If he decides not to run again at 81, do we really think the seas will part for Kamala? Watch out for the Cabinet appointments. Kamala will be working hard behind the scenes to stop scenarios like this one. It's been long known that Kamala has a propensity for working behind the scenes and is accomplished at parting things for political advancement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Probably before April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Telling the President to shut up and calling him a clown are examples of Biden acting like a POTUS should? Face it, Biden has been "losing it" for quite some time. We all know that he has a habit of sniffing people's hair. Now that may not sound like a fetish that seems all that bad but the consequences of doing so are serious. It's not good to snort hairspray. If a person does it too many times it tends to cause a permanent condition commonly known as "Brain Cloud". In addition, young girls who probably don't use hairspray often use Johnson & Johnson Baby Shampoo. (out of habit more than anything else) Sniffing this particular brand of baby shampoo causes a propensity to act very strange. A person might just out of the blue cop a feel of an old sheriff's leg or break out in song. Do we really need to have a POTUS act like he has Tourette's Syndrome while attending an international conference? Well played. At least they kept him physically distanced from Trump. I hear that sniffing too much of that Bronx Colors fake tan crap can leave you susceptible to COVID-19. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well played. At least they kept him physically distanced from Trump. I hear that sniffing too much of that Bronx Colors fake tan crap can leave you susceptible to COVID-19. That Covid-19 is a piece of cake for a healthy and strong person. In fact I know of a 74 year old guy who was diagnosed with it on a Friday and felt like running a marathon on Monday. But yes, I'd keep Joey Hairy Legs away from any circumstances that might cause him to catch it, or commit to anything like his intentions to fundamentally change the way our government works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 8 hours ago, RochesterRob said: Whistling in the dark? Not at all. I'm not really allowed to make new "prognostications" for a couple more months per a bet I'm honoring (my bet with the now ousted DR that Biden would win this election pre-dated that bet), otherwise I would offer you the opportunity to make a friendly little wager. Joe Biden has been running for President for the last 3 decades and you guys realistically think he's going to willingly concede his Presidency to someone else? That's just bat-***** crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Joe Biden has been running for President for the last 3 decades and you guys realistically think he's going to willingly concede his Presidency to someone else? No one said willingly. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, B-Man said: No one said willingly. The OP essentially did in his response to my post. He didn't correct himself in any way when I said he (and anyone) is nuts if they think Biden is giving up the Presidency willingly, to which the OP replied "whistling in the dark." He obviously believes Biden is going to willingly concede power and said so to me with that interaction. Edited October 12, 2020 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Technically there's no chance he will 'fully' be there, but I bet the commies will start the attacks to remove him on day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 11:41 AM, B-Man said: Under easy. President Harris will be sworn in by April. Since you are certain, perhaps we could work out a wager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 If he gets to sleep and not be present at press conferences or travel, then I think he makes it close to a full year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 2:54 PM, oldmanfan said: Looks like he will be president and he will carry out the duties of the office. He was just in Erie campaigning. He is showing leadership by wearing masks and distancing and not have potential spreader events. And when your opponent is self-immolating you let him do so. I don't really consider campaign strategy leadership but it's effective in drawing the contrast between him and Trump. It plays well with senior citizens who are most reliable voting block. As far as the question, if Biden is elected I expect him to serve one term and not seek reelection due to health concerns. We might have the first ever women vs. women presidential race with Harris and Haley in 2024. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I don't think there is any set timeline or conspiracy to force the issue, but as soon as he flubs a negotiation with another country they'll claim he's not mentally fit to lead and oust him. This is why they are preparing the 25th amendment stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Biden will not win anyways. If he makes it to next Christmas with a pulse, I would be very surprised. Hunter has a bright political future though. He is young, has experience in international business, and his integrity is admirable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 It's fun watching Trump supporters coming to the realization that Trump might lose and forced to go off on tangents like this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 10/15/2020 at 5:36 AM, Doc Brown said: I don't really consider campaign strategy leadership but it's effective in drawing the contrast between him and Trump. It plays well with senior citizens who are most reliable voting block. As far as the question, if Biden is elected I expect him to serve one term and not seek reelection due to health concerns. We might have the first ever women vs. women presidential race with Harris and Haley in 2024. I can't imagine Harris getting the nomination. Haley might. Found these odds on 2024: https://sports.coral.co.uk/event/politics/politics-international/us-elections/2024-us-presidential-election/13970376/main-markets For Republicans: Kanye, Dan Crenshaw, Haley. Rest are eh. For Dems: a ton of blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Kemp said: It's fun watching Trump supporters coming to the realization that Trump might lose and forced to go off on tangents like this. Yes. This thread will be great for a club. It has zero substance, but we can all feel cute by making stupid predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: I can't imagine Harris getting the nomination. Haley might. Found these odds on 2024: https://sports.coral.co.uk/event/politics/politics-international/us-elections/2024-us-presidential-election/13970376/main-markets For Republicans: Kanye, Dan Crenshaw, Haley. Rest are eh. For Dems: a ton of blah The only value I see in any of those lines might be Cuban at 100/1. If Americans want a business man in office who doesn't have Trump's massive bagage he'd be my choice. Haley reminds me of an '04 Obama though and that's where my money would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The only value I see in any of those lines might be Cuban at 100/1. If Americans want a business man in office who doesn't have Trump's massive bagage he'd be my choice. Haley reminds me of an '04 Obama though and that's where my money would go. Haley didn't have the convention speech 04 Obama did. Even my Republican friends were like whoa after Obama's 04 speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Haley didn't have the convention speech 04 Obama did. Even my Republican friends were like whoa after Obama's 04 speech. True. I was impressed with her SOTU response in 2016 and she was one of the few who were able to escape the Trump administration unscathed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: True. I was impressed with her SOTU response in 2016 and she was one of the few who were able to escape the Trump administration unscathed. SOTU was really good. I don't think it's the best political platform to jump out of. In football context, the convention is Monday night football with all eyes on you. SOTU response from the majority party is like an 8 am Sunday London game. I think the election will highly favor the Dems this year. If it does, does that signal a strict refusal of Trump-ian politics? Maybe. If GA and TX are even close, I think the Republican establishment will distance itself as far from Trump as possible. Who does that leave for 2024? Romney? I think Romney has set himself up great as a post-Trump Republican. Ted Cruz? Maybe. As a personal aside... My wife used to work at a republican restaurant that was a little costly. During Obama era when there was a shut down, Cruz led most of the people away from that restaurant to a cheaper place called T Coast to hold his meetings during the shut down. If the election is close, do we see someone like Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, etc take up the 2024 role? Jim Jordan though is probably DOA due to his Ohio State issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) What's most peculiar about Joe Biden's ascent to the Democratic nomination is how little his historical and current views and positions align with ideals and objectives of the "core" constituents of the party in 2020. Which at this point is a very left leaning agenda. Very little Biden has stated and supported during the campaign provides any evidence that he personally supports many of these positions or plans on pursuing them if elected. So either the potential Presidents positions needs to be modified or the expectations of the left need to move to center. Otherwise something just isn't right here. A cynical person might suspect the Party is running a Trojan Horse campaign with a moderate candidate to bamboozle the electorate into giving the far left power as being "honest" about their true intentions would likely lead to defeat. Note that Pelosi is pushing a 25th Amendment legislation designed to give the Congress powers that the 25th Amendment restricts to the Executive branch. Powers to remove the President if the legislature deems him/her as "unfit" to hold office. She herself has stated this is not intended to be used against Trump but in future situations where it might be necessary. Such legislation removes the need for a change to be "voluntary". So might it be necessary in the case of a President Biden? Which brings us to the topic of a potential Harris presidency. I expect by the Summer of 2021 this will be reality. Edited October 16, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: SOTU was really good. I don't think it's the best political platform to jump out of. In football context, the convention is Monday night football with all eyes on you. SOTU response from the majority party is like an 8 am Sunday London game. I think the election will highly favor the Dems this year. If it does, does that signal a strict refusal of Trump-ian politics? Maybe. If GA and TX are even close, I think the Republican establishment will distance itself as far from Trump as possible. Who does that leave for 2024? Romney? I think Romney has set himself up great as a post-Trump Republican. Ted Cruz? Maybe. As a personal aside... My wife used to work at a republican restaurant that was a little costly. During Obama era when there was a shut down, Cruz led most of the people away from that restaurant to a cheaper place called T Coast to hold his meetings during the shut down. If the election is close, do we see someone like Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, etc take up the 2024 role? Jim Jordan though is probably DOA due to his Ohio State issues. It's a good question although I think there's still a 50/50 shot Trump gets reelected. My guess is f the Republicans have a really bad November then Trump will be seen as the major problem and it won't be any of the sychophants of Trump you mentioned (Jordan, Gaetz, Cruz). To lose the House, Senate, and presidency in four years should be a massive red flag that they need to switch strategy to a more moderate Republican. It will likely be Haley or somebody from outside Washington. I think there's too much ill will towards Romney for his impeachment vote of Trump and the fact he lost a presidential election already so I doubt he even runs. If it's a narrow defeat then Republicans will just blame it as bad timing with covid and a Trump like figure is more likely to win. MAGA politicians and hardline conservatives will likely run and draw the most support (Donald Trump Jr., Gaetz, Krenshaw, Jordan, Cruz, Cotton, etc.). It's a long way off though so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: It's a good question although I think there's still a 50/50 shot Trump gets reelected. My guess is f the Republicans have a really bad November then Trump will be seen as the major problem and it won't be any of the sychophants of Trump you mentioned (Jordan, Gaetz, Cruz). To lose the House, Senate, and presidency in four years should be a massive red flag that they need to switch strategy to a more moderate Republican. It will likely be Haley or somebody from outside Washington. I think there's too much ill will towards Romney for his impeachment vote of Trump and the fact he lost a presidential election already so I doubt he even runs. If it's a narrow defeat then Republicans will just blame it as bad timing with covid and a Trump like figure is more likely to win. MAGA politicians and hardline conservatives will likely run and draw the most support (Donald Trump Jr., Gaetz, Krenshaw, Jordan, Cruz, Cotton, etc.). It's a long way off though so who knows. That's one thing I'm worried about is a close election. In my opinion this Trump politics is toxic. Looking at guys like Crenshaw and Gaetz. A close election would get chalked up to being it wasn't out of policy but it was COVID. I just don't know who is mainstream enough in the Republicans 4 years from now. Maybe one of their governors? On the Dem side if I were to pick anyone it would be Corey Booker. However since he won a seat in Congress, he's become less of a person I'd support. Edited October 16, 2020 by Backintheday544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: I just don't know who is mainstream enough in the Republicans 4 years from now. Maybe one of their governors? I don't think the Republican Party of 4 years ago even exists, anymore. I'm not even sure it will ever return. It is now a Party ruled by Trump supporters, which means conspiracy theorists and deniers of facts. Qanon nominees have already infiltrated and they are more likely to increase in numbers, no matter who wins the Presidency. If Trump wins, they will be emboldened. If he loses, he will create a new media empire and drive Fox out of business, with people like Hannitty, Carlson, and Ingraham jumping ship, which will in turn create a truly nutjob network. Obviously just an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kemp said: I don't think the Republican Party of 4 years ago even exists, anymore. I'm not even sure it will ever return. It is now a Party ruled by Trump supporters, which means conspiracy theorists and deniers of facts. Qanon nominees have already infiltrated and they are more likely to increase in numbers, no matter who wins the Presidency. If Trump wins, they will be emboldened. If he loses, he will create a new media empire and drive Fox out of business, with people like Hannitty, Carlson, and Ingraham jumping ship, which will in turn create a truly nutjob network. Obviously just an opinion. A rather poor opinion at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: A rather poor opinion at that. What's your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: What's your opinion? 32 minutes ago, Kemp said: I don't think the Republican Party of 4 years ago even exists, anymore. I'm not even sure it will ever return. It is now a Party ruled by Trump supporters, which means conspiracy theorists and deniers of facts. Qanon nominees have already infiltrated and they are more likely to increase in numbers, no matter who wins the Presidency. If Trump wins, they will be emboldened. If he loses, he will create a new media empire and drive Fox out of business, with people like Hannitty, Carlson, and Ingraham jumping ship, which will in turn create a truly nutjob network. Obviously just an opinion. The Republican Party will still be around. I fail to see how the disintegration will occur in terms of Kemp's assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: The Republican Party will still be around. I fail to see how the disintegration will occur in terms of Kemp's assessment. Where will the Republican party be 4 years from now? What values will they have? Will they be different than today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 52 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Where will the Republican party be 4 years from now? What values will they have? Will they be different than today? Values are timeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, realtruelove said: Values are timeless. What are these timeless values? I edited this to make this convo quicker. When I asked what are your timeless values, you'll most some things. I'll read them and be like Trump is the opposite of those so I'll respond and say that. So let's skip a couple messages. What are the timeless values of the Republican party and how has Trump upheld them? Edited October 17, 2020 by Backintheday544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: What are these timeless values? I edited this to make this convo quicker. When I asked what are your timeless values, you'll most some things. I'll read them and be like Trump is the opposite of those so I'll respond and say that. So let's skip a couple messages. What are the timeless values of the Republican party and how has Trump upheld them? Sometimes you should think before you respond. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 50 minutes ago, realtruelove said: Sometimes you should think before you respond. Yea, I did... I'd love to hear your answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Yea, I did... I'd love to hear your answers. Trustworthy, Honest, Fair, Demanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, realtruelove said: Trustworthy, Honest, Fair, Demanding And you think those are the values of the current Republican party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 There are no parties, only values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Where will the Republican party be 4 years from now? What values will they have? Will they be different than today? It's amazing how quickly parties can pivot. But they've got to take an electoral thrashing to do it. Britain: Jeremy Corbin's Labour Party was a disaster. No sooner did they get crushed in an election than it pivoted back hard to the center. USA: George McGovern's Democratic Party was a disaster. Lost 49 of 50 states. 4 years later Jimmy Carter won the election. My take: the current coalitions that form the Democratic and Republican parties are inherently unstable. Democrats: the party of POC, + highly educated/higher income whites Republicans: the party of evangelical Christians, wealthy older whites, and poorly educated younger whites. There really isn't a lot of unity of interest in these coalitions other than they hate the other side. That's typically not sustainable. Edited October 17, 2020 by The Frankish Reich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, realtruelove said: There are no parties, only values. And your values...Trustworthy, Honest, Fair, Demanding.... Who encompasses that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 What are you worried about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 minute ago, realtruelove said: What are you worried about? Nothing. I'm asking for your opinions. I'm interested to hear what you have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Be like water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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