Royale with Cheese Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The coverage has been light? A quick google search and it pops up everywhere. It will be talked about on every major sporting outlet today, without fail. This high standard that athletes are held to is crazy to me. They spoke out on what they know. Systemic racism, police brutality, etc. against people of color. Now they have to be on the front lines of all racism and inequality to be taken seriously? Is this for all athletes or only black athletes? Admittedly, I don't know a ton about anti-semitic tropes or the argument of Black Hebrew Israelites. I fully understand that what Jackson said was ignorant, hurtful and that he should be disciplined for it. That said, I'm not sure I'd go on a Twitter rant blasting him for it. It's about the hypocrisy. The WNBA owner makes negative statements towards BLM....they want her out of the league because you can't have someone in the league making racist remarks. DeSean Jackson makes anti-semitic remarks by quoting Hitler and he will get picked up by another team if he is released. This story isn't anywhere near as big as Donald Sterling, Drew Brees, John Rocker etc..... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, Jaraxxus said: "please forgive him." Interesting choice of words in today's environment. It took one phone call and all the players forgave Brees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The coverage has been light? A quick google search and it pops up everywhere. It will be talked about on every major sporting outlet today, without fail. This high standard that athletes are held to is crazy to me. They spoke out on what they know. Systemic racism, police brutality, etc. against people of color. Now they have to be on the front lines of all racism and inequality to be taken seriously? Is this for all athletes or only black athletes? Admittedly, I don't know a ton about anti-semitic tropes or the argument of Black Hebrew Israelites. I fully understand that what Jackson said was ignorant, hurtful and that he should be disciplined for it. That said, I'm not sure I'd go on a Twitter rant blasting him for it. Some folks here hold athletes to a higher standard than they do the president. Sad! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The coverage has been light? A quick google search and it pops up everywhere. It will be talked about on every major sporting outlet today, without fail. This high standard that athletes are held to is crazy to me. They spoke out on what they know. Systemic racism, police brutality, etc. against people of color. Now they have to be on the front lines of all racism and inequality to be taken seriously? Is this for all athletes or only black athletes? Admittedly, I don't know a ton about anti-semitic tropes or the argument of Black Hebrew Israelites. I fully understand that what Jackson said was ignorant, hurtful and that he should be disciplined for it. That said, I'm not sure I'd go on a Twitter rant blasting him for it. Yeah, the coverage has been light. It happened two days ago. The coverage on TBD was light, it was a random link posted in an Eagles’ salary cap thread. Matthew Berry is asking if anyone in the NFL has actually come out against this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: It took one phone call and all the players forgave Brees. And now some “fans” turned on Brees because he had the nerve to try and learn. 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Yeah, the coverage has been light. It happened two days ago. The coverage on TBD was light, it was a random link posted in an Eagles’ salary cap thread. Matthew Berry is asking if anyone in the NFL has actually come out against this. It’s the top headline on the ESPN homepage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Here we go, t-minus whatever til whac-a-mole sets in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: It took one phone call and all the players forgave Brees. https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/05/new-york-jets-jamal-adams-drew-brees-jake-fromm-apologies-george-floyd/ Maybe Adams will tell DJax to save the BS ass apologies. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Yeah, the coverage has been light. It happened two days ago. The coverage on TBD was light, it was a random link posted in an Eagles’ salary cap thread. Matthew Berry is asking if anyone in the NFL has actually come out against this. Well, heck, if it's not the center of TBD then NO ONE in the country must be talking about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s the top headline on the ESPN homepage. And it's the 4th topic on NFL.com. It's not anywhere near John Rocker, Donald Sterling or Drew Brees stories. https://www.nfl.com/ Edited July 8, 2020 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) It is nothing but complete hypocrisy. You have players like Fromm who has a private text chain released from a person who likely has an agenda. The post when read without any context is not flattering to say the least but conveniently the haha parts are often left out of the discussion where Fromm could easily have been making a joke that was in poor taste but not meant to be racist. Allen was quickly vilified for his posts from when he was 14 and 15 years old. Essentially, he was quoting rap lyrics and he was labeled a racist and had to work hard to earn the trust of his teammates. The Brees issue is a joke, he basically states that he does not think it is right to kneel during the anthem (something many others also agree with) but he is torn apart for his opinion. There was no honest debate, there was no trying to see the other side, it was you don’t see it the way BLM sees it so you are wrong and are on the side of racists. Apologize now or be labeled a racist and Brees caved and apologized for having an opposite viewpoint on a complicated issue. Jackson on the other hand makes overtly racist and dangerous remarks and there is barely a peep from his peers. No Tre White’s condemning him right away. No, he just needs to be educated and apologize and all is immediately forgiven. No need to earn the trust back overtime. I’m not even go to try and list the countless insensitive remarks made by black athletes and entertainers toward other races, sexes and gays. The treatment is always the same, just try and educate yourself and apologize and you are forgiven. There is no being ostracized for years or having to actually put in the work to earn people’s trust back. A simple apology is all that it takes. And I’m fine with that if we treated all people the same. But just as the me too movement started to go too far and dig up every text, post, action in the past and label men rapists and sexists sometimes without any proof, this BLM movement is heading down the same path. I understand there are bad people out there. There are actual racists and believe it or not there are racists among all the races as hard as that might be to believe among some people. There are sexist pigs, there are just plain bad people. Those are the people that based on evidence and clear pattern of behavior should be scorned and punished. But the sanctions should be distributed equally. I mean, is that not what we as good people want. That we all just get treated the same no matter our race, sex, religious beliefs. If you are a dirtbag than you should be treated as one no matter your background. I do believe there are extremists on both the left and the right. These are generally the bad and misguided people and they are trying to pull out country apart. I believe there are enough good people out there with some common sense, but as the days go on I am beginning to question if there are enough people in the middle and whether they want to do anything about it rather than get bullied in one direction or the other. Our country depends on this group so I hope they stand up soon like a parent needs to do at times and take control of this situation. Edited July 8, 2020 by racketmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: And it's the 5th topic on NFL.com. It's not anywhere near John Rocker, Donald Sterling or Drew Brees stories. Riley Cooper screamed the n word at concert and didn’t miss a game. What do you want? 1 minute ago, racketmaster said: It is nothing but complete hypocrisy. You have players like Fromm who has a private text chain released from a person who likely has an agenda. The post when read without any context is not flattering to say the least but conveniently the haha parts are often left out of the discussion where Fromm could easily have been making a joking that was in poor taste but not meant to be racist. Allen was quickly vilified for his posts from when they were 14 and 15 years old. Essentially, he was quoting rap lyrics and he was labeled a racist and had to work hard to earn the trust of his teammates. The Brees issue is a joke, he basically states that he is not think it is right to kneel during the anthem (something many others also agree with) but he is torn apart for his opinion. There was no honest debate, there was no trying to see the other side, it was you don’t see it the way BLM sees it so you are wrong and are on the side of racists. Apologize now or be labeled a racist and Brees caved and apologized for having an opposite viewpoint on a complicated issue. Jackson on the other hand makes overly racist and dangerous remarks and there is barely a peep from his peers. No Tre White’s condemning him right away. No, he just needs to be educated and apologize and all is immediately forgiven. No need to earn the trust back overtime. I’m not even go to try and list the countless incentive remarks made by black athletes and entertainers toward other races, sexes and gays. The treatment is always the same, just try and educate yourself and apologize and you are forgiven. There is no being ostracized for years or having to actually put in the work to earn people’s trust back. A simple apology is all that it takes. And I’m fine with that if we treated all people the same. But just as the me too movement started to go too far and dig up every text, post, action in the past and label men rapists and sexists sometimes without any proof, this BLM movement is heading down the same path. I understand there are people out there. There are actual racists and believe it or not there are racists among all the races as hard as that might be to believe among some people. There are sexist pigs, there are just plain bad people. Those are the people that based on evidence and clear pattern of behavior should be scorned and punished. But the sanctions should be distributed equally. I mean, is that not what we as good people want. That we all just get treated the same no matter our race, sex, religious beliefs. If you are a dirtbag than you should be treated as one no matter your background. I do believe there are extremists on both the left and the right. These are generally the bad and misguided people and they are trying to pull out country apart. I believe there are enough good people out there with some common sense, but as the days go on I am beginning to question if there are enough people in the middle and whether they want to do anything about it rather than get bullied in one direction or the other. Our country depends on this group so I hope they stand up soon like a parent needs to do at times and take control of this situation. Literally nothing happened to Fromm or Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Some folks here hold athletes to a higher standard than they do the president. Sad! You have a point there. 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Riley Cooper screamed the n word at concert and didn’t miss a game. What do you want? Literally nothing happened to Fromm or Allen. Nothing has happened to Brees. Nothing has happened to the Patriots draft choice with the three percenter tattoo. They both said "so sorry, didn't realize what it really meant, Me bad!" and Rohrwasser had his tattoo removed. That seems to be the end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Awesome, can I play the Whatabout Game too? <consults Russian right-wing troll manual> Let’s see? DJ immediately apologized and took back his statement. How come I’m not hearing complaints about the PC Thought Police bullying him into changing his tune? Didn’t you complain about that with Brees and Fromm? I thought it was a free country and we can say whatever we want? How come you complained about it then, but not now? Well, I guess: - You’re a hypocrite - Everything you’ve said on this topic is invalid - You must really not care about free speech - The above is unchangeable and ever-lasting - Your ancestors will laugh at you until the end of time - Your neighbor will soon start tapping your wife This is fun! Yay, culture wars!! ??? Keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Social media will be the end of mankind... in addition to being offended, And saying/writing/doing offensive things, there is also this newer evolution of a polarity where people are either; offended that other others aren’t offended enough, or offended that others are as offended As they are. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, racketmaster said: It is nothing but complete hypocrisy. You have players like Fromm who has a private text chain released from a person who likely has an agenda. The post when read without any context is not flattering to say the least but conveniently the haha parts are often left out of the discussion where Fromm could easily have been making a joking that was in poor taste but not meant to be racist. Allen was quickly vilified for his posts from when they were 14 and 15 years old. Essentially, he was quoting rap lyrics and he was labeled a racist and had to work hard to earn the trust of his teammates. Literally nothing happened to Fromm or Allen. Even by all player accounts, Allen had one single conversation with the team about it and everyone moved on. Same deal for Fromm. Rightfully so, as they weren't big deals. I'm absolutely not excusing what Jackson did, but I would also absolutely classify it in the same group as the Fromm/Allen stuff. Idiots on phones. Discuss it, learn from it, grow from it, and move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I'm surprised DeSean isn't "standing tall" on this like he did when he was caught being a bigot back in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Riley Cooper screamed the n word at concert and didn’t miss a game. What do you want? Literally nothing happened to Fromm or Allen. You mean that being demonized in the media and from players around the league was nothing. They were told they would have to work hard to earn the trust of there teammates back in order to be accepted. That is something. And for what there comments were and the ages they said them, I don’t really think any more punishment was warranted. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Moran Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 That apology didn't feel authentic at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Riley Cooper screamed the n word at concert and didn’t miss a game. What do you want? Yeah and his comments divided the locker room. Is Jackson's comments dividing the Eagles locker room now? The backlash is no where near it. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/1/4579906/riley-cooper-remarks-eagles-teammates-2013-nfl-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Literally nothing happened to Fromm or Allen. Even by all player accounts, Allen had one single conversation with the team about it and everyone moved on. Same deal for Fromm. Rightfully so, as they weren't big deals. I'm absolutely not excusing what Jackson did, but I would also absolutely classify it in the same group as the Fromm/Allen stuff. Idiots on phones. Discuss it, learn from it, grow from it, and move on. Again, this is not correct. Both Fromm and Allen had to stand up in front of their teammates and apologize. They met with the team leaders and they were told they needed to earn the trust of their teammates back overtime. Allen has done that, we shall see with Fromm. Again, how bad were their comments. Allen’s were almost ridiculous considering the age he made them and that he was quoting rap lyrics. Let’s go back into everyone’s social media and texts from when they were 13 and 15 years old. I’m sure there are so things that without context or even with context that we would all want back because at that age you are just an immature kid. Again they both faced major blowback from the media and scrutiny from their teammates. They never did any overt acts to harm anyone nor committed any crimes so I’m not sure how much more punishment they deserved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, racketmaster said: You mean that being demonized in the media and from players around the league was nothing. They were told they would have to work hard to earn the trust of there teammates back in order to be accepted. That is something. And for what there comments were and the ages they said them, I don’t really think any more punishment was warranted. Do you? Fromm said only elite white people should have guns. I believe he is kidding but that is absolutely a stupid thing to put out there. but again, a rookie (who isn’t that good imo) had one zoom meeting and the team moved on and no ones cares about Fromm anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Patrick Moran said: That apology didn't feel authentic at all Jackson just said "If my apology wasnt authentic, may my 8 year old get hit by a car" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yeah and his comments divided the locker room. Is Jackson's comments dividing the Eagles locker room now? The backlash is no where near it. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/8/1/4579906/riley-cooper-remarks-eagles-teammates-2013-nfl-season They kept him on the team and he didn’t miss a game. Take up your cause with Julian Edelman. again, Jackson is a moron and no one would be sad if he’s cut. So what’s the story? 12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Social media will be the end of mankind... in addition to being offended, And saying/writing/doing offensive things, there is also this newer evolution of a polarity where people are either; offended that other others aren’t offended enough, or offended that others are as offended As they are. I agree with general post but it’s too lazy to blame social media. Social media is great if used correctly. I kinda like it because it catches people being idiots and they can’t hide anymore. I do think the biggest issue is how everyone overreacts the second a story comes out. but just go to dog twitter pages and make yourself happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: They kept him on the team and he didn’t miss a game. Take up your cause with Julian Edelman. again, Jackson is a moron and no one would be sad if he’s cut. So what’s the story? Blatant antisemitism which appears to be a non issue for almost the entirety of the leagues players? Other than that though, nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They kept him on the team and he didn’t miss a game. Take up your cause with Julian Edelman. again, Jackson is a moron and no one would be sad if he’s cut. So what’s the story? The story is there's not equality in condemning hate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because he keep repeating the same stupid argument. And everything was prefaced with Brees is a good guy. but how many white players called out Riley Cooper? Mike asked if players call each other out. I answered. And I don’t know how many called out Cooper. Does it matter? Was it anywhere near the same situation as now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fromm said only elite white people should have guns. I believe he is kidding but that is absolutely a stupid thing to put out there. but again, a rookie (who isn’t that good imo) had one zoom meeting and the team moved on and no ones cares about Fromm anymore. Yes, we can agree it was stupid but like I said in the original post he put haha after that. If he had followed that up with a plan to actually make rich white people be the only ones able to buy assault weapons then that would have be a clear act of racism. The man was likely joking and again it was in poor taste but he did put the haha in the text for a reason. I’m not sure what else Fromm could do but apologize to the team over zoom because they are not meeting in person. And I’m not sure if you have ever had to apologize to a group of men that you don’t really know but it is likely not the most comfortable thing to do and if Fromm is a good person the whole issue was probably agonizing to him. But I’m context, what else more could be done. Should he be banned from the league, a league that has given second and third chances to people who have committed actual crimes and have harmed people? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, racketmaster said: It is nothing but complete hypocrisy. You have players like Fromm who has a private text chain released from a person who likely has an agenda. The post when read without any context is not flattering to say the least but conveniently the haha parts are often left out of the discussion where Fromm could easily have been making a joking that was in poor taste but not meant to be racist. Allen was quickly vilified for his posts from when they were 14 and 15 years old. Essentially, he was quoting rap lyrics and he was labeled a racist and had to work hard to earn the trust of his teammates. The Brees issue is a joke, he basically states that he is not think it is right to kneel during the anthem (something many others also agree with) but he is torn apart for his opinion. There was no honest debate, there was no trying to see the other side, it was you don’t see it the way BLM sees it so you are wrong and are on the side of racists. Apologize now or be labeled a racist and Brees caved and apologized for having an opposite viewpoint on a complicated issue. Jackson on the other hand makes overly racist and dangerous remarks and there is barely a peep from his peers. Do you think because something like 70% of the NFL players are black, grew up in black families, usually in minority-dominated communities, they might naturally be expected to have more concern and be more vocal about issues that they perceive to affect them and their families and communities directly? Maybe the players care more about black issues because they have seen the effects of racism up close and personal in their own lives? There are relatively few Jewish players in the NFL. HEY! WHAT HAS ROSEN SAID ABOUT THIS? Has he totally failed to speak up? It's just strange to me because one of the criticisms I sometimes read about people with a liberal bent, from people with a conservative bent, is that liberals are "social justice warriors" and "white knights" who get all worked up about every perceived injustice or slight in the world. Isn't the implication of the phrase "social justice warrior", someone who is reactive against every slight to social justice whether or not they are personally and philosophically concerned? Now that black players are not all individually and publically worked up about an instance of anti-semitism that has been condemned by the NFL, condemned by the team, apologized for by the player and removed, that's a problem? Maybe...they aren't "social justice warriors" but men who are concerned about issues that affect them? I don't get it. Actually, I think I do get it but I'll stop there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Where can you read what he actually said can't find it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: The story is there's not equality in condemning hate. I do see your point to an extent. But Julian Edelman, one of the few Jewish players, hasn’t said anything. And I feel most players think Jackson is an idiot. But I do see your point. but I guess, for better or worse, people tend to stick to the issues that affect them. When something happens to a trans person, do you expect Sammy Watkins to call them out? And again, it seems athletes are held to higher standards than politicians (unless they can use it to pander to their base). 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Mike asked if players call each other out. I answered. And I don’t know how many called out Cooper. Does it matter? Was it anywhere near the same situation as now? A white guy calling someone the n word in a sport where the majority of players are black? How would that not matter? and he kept his job and I’m sure a certain part of the fanbase was very happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You have a point there. Nothing has happened to Brees. Nothing has happened to the Patriots draft choice with the three percenter tattoo. They both said "so sorry, didn't realize what it really meant, Me bad!" and Rohrwasser had his tattoo removed. That seems to be the end. One of these things is not like the other. Brees disapproving of kneeling for the anthem is not the same as lovingly quoting Hitler, even if you're too ignorant to know that wasn't an actual Hitler quote. I'm sure it's already been said, but imagine the outrage if Fromm, or better yet, Brees, favorably quoted Stonewall Jackson, or George Wallace, they would have to add another order of magnitude to the outrage meter, and they would both be cut before the end of the day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Do you think because something like 70% of the NFL players are black, grew up in black families, usually in minority-dominated communities, they might naturally be expected to have more concern and be more vocal about issues that they perceive to affect them and their families and communities directly? Maybe the players care more about black issues because they have seen the effects of racism up close and personal in their own lives? There are relatively few Jewish players in the NFL. HEY! WHAT HAS ROSEN SAID ABOUT THIS? Has he totally failed to speak up? It's just strange to me because one of the criticisms I sometimes read about people with a liberal bent, from people with a conservative bent, is that liberals are "social justice warriors" and "white knights" who get all worked up about every perceived injustice or slight in the world. Isn't the implication of the phrase "social justice warrior", someone who is reactive against every slight to social justice whether or not they are personally and philosophically concerned? Now that black players are not all individually and publically worked up about an instance of anti-semitism that has been condemned by the NFL, condemned by the team, apologized for by the player and removed, that's a problem? Maybe...they aren't "social justice warriors" but men who are concerned about issues that affect them? I don't get it. Actually, I think I do get it but I'll stop there. Oh please, continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, dorquemada said: One of these things is not like the other. Brees disapproving of kneeling for the anthem is not the same as lovingly quoting Hitler, even if you're too ignorant to know that wasn't an actual Hitler quote. I'm sure it's already been said, but imagine the outrage if Fromm, or better yet, Brees, favorably quoted Stonewall Jackson, or George Wallace, they would have to add another order of magnitude to the outrage meter, and they would both be cut before the end of the day Riley Cooper is on film calling someone the n word! He stayed on the team the entire year. Fromm said elite whites should have guns. There was “outrage” for a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I do see your point to an extent. But Julian Edelman, one of the few Jewish players, hasn’t said anything. And I feel most players think Jackson is an idiot. But I do see your point. but I guess, for better or worse, people tend to stick to the issues that affect them. When something happens to a trans person, do you expect Sammy Watkins to call them out? And again, it seems athletes are held to higher standards than politicians (unless they can use it to pander to their base). A white guy calling someone the n word in a sport where the majority of players are black? How would that not matter? and he kept his job and I’m sure a certain part of the fanbase was very happy with that. Does it matter with regard to the current situation is the point. Do we really want to go the “what about” route? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, T master said: Where can you read what he actually said can't find it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Do you think because something like 70% of the NFL players are black, grew up in black families, usually in minority-dominated communities, they might naturally be expected to have more concern and be more vocal about issues that they perceive to affect them and their families and communities directly? Maybe the players care more about black issues because they have seen the effects of racism up close and personal in their own lives? There are relatively few Jewish players in the NFL. HEY! WHAT HAS ROSEN SAID ABOUT THIS? Has he totally failed to speak up? It's just strange to me because one of the criticisms I sometimes read about people with a liberal bent, from people with a conservative bent, is that liberals are "social justice warriors" and "white knights" who get all worked up about every perceived injustice or slight in the world. Isn't the implication of the phrase "social justice warrior", someone who is reactive against every slight to social justice whether or not they are personally and philosophically concerned? Now that black players are not all individually and publically worked up about an instance of anti-semitism that has been condemned by the NFL, condemned by the team, apologized for by the player and removed, that's a problem? Maybe...they aren't "social justice warriors" but men who are concerned about issues that affect them? I don't get it. Actually, I think I do get it but I'll stop there. All this implies is that certain bad things can be said from NFL players and there should be limited blowback because of the makeup of the players. By your reasoning, players can blast gays or women and receive less scorn because there are no women they have as teammates and few gays in the lockeroom compared to their heterosexual teammates. I think everyone with a brain realizes that there are issues in black communities that other races that don’t live in those communities have to face. Many have to do with past transgressions and are not applicable to the present day and other issues persist. Some are issues of mistrust and some are issues that the community members themselves need to address and be accountable for. So I do see that black players may be more sensitive to certain remarks but at the same time we as a country start to move forward rather than continually looking back. There has to be a level of trust and forgiveness on all sides so that we can move forward as one country. And there will continue to be bad acts as every group has its share of bad apples. So if a bad apple does something wrong we need to be careful not to label the rest of the group as bad. That is stereotyping and it is generally not healthy to do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They kept him on the team and he didn’t miss a game. Take up your cause with Julian Edelman. again, Jackson is a moron and no one would be sad if he’s cut. So what’s the story? I agree with general post but it’s too lazy to blame social media. Social media is great if used correctly. I kinda like it because it catches people being idiots and they can’t hide anymore. I do think the biggest issue is how everyone overreacts the second a story comes out. but just go to dog twitter pages and make yourself happy. The problem with social media is it’s the amplifier for the extremists that lacked any such platform in the past. I don’t blame the technology, I blame humankind for turning it into something to promote division instead of unity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, racketmaster said: All this implies is that certain bad things can be said from NFL players and there should be limited blowback because of the makeup of the players. By your reasoning, players can blast gays or women and receive less scorn because there are no women they have as teammates and few gays in the lockeroom compared to their heterosexual teammates. I think everyone with a brain realizes that there are issues in black communities that other races that don’t live in those communities have to face. Many have to do with past transgressions and are not applicable to the present day and other issues persist. Some are issues of mistrust and some are issues that the community members themselves need to address and be accountable for. So I do see that black players may be more sensitive to certain remarks but at the same time we as a country start to move forward rather than continually looking back. There has to be a level of trust and forgiveness on all sides so that we can move forward as one country. And there will continue to be bad acts as every group has its share of bad apples. So if a bad apple does something wrong we need to be careful not to label the rest of the group as bad. That is stereotyping and it is generally not healthy to do. DeSean, 2011. Responding presumably to accounts of his comments in the media, Jackson took to Twitter on Friday night, saying he was "standing tall" despite the negative publicity. Deadspin.com first reported the comments, with audio provided by DCFanatic.com. In his cryptic Twitter-style message written in all capital letters, Jackson wrote: "They looking to take ya down at all times no matter how positive and what you do! It's always a way they try to get ya. I'm standing tall." https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=6751846 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Does it matter with regard to the current situation is the point. Do we really want to go the “what about” route? Huh? They kept Cooper who used hate speech. So if they keep Jackson, it seems like they are doing the same thing with Cooper. personally, I would be fine with both of those idiots being cut. They weren’t that good anyways (Jackson is washed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I do see your point to an extent. But Julian Edelman, one of the few Jewish players, hasn’t said anything. And I feel most players think Jackson is an idiot. But I do see your point. but I guess, for better or worse, people tend to stick to the issues that affect them. When something happens to a trans person, do you expect Sammy Watkins to call them out? And again, it seems athletes are held to higher standards than politicians (unless they can use it to pander to their base). A white guy calling someone the n word in a sport where the majority of players are black? How would that not matter? and he kept his job and I’m sure a certain part of the fanbase was very happy with that. I thought that maybe too but the Atlanta Dream owner is a Senator and they want her out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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