ALF Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 To be sure, there is good reason for Biden -- and all Americans -- to be leery of the debates. As former White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart wrote, "It's a fool's errand to enter the ring with someone who can't follow the rules or the truth." Given Trump's track record with presidential debates, each encounter will likely turn into some mashup of professional wrestling, reality television and presidential politics. One way the commission can make sure the debates are fair and substantive is to carefully choose the moderators. It's telling that Trump's campaign has released a list of suggested moderators that includes right-wing pundits and Fox News personalities who would likely go easy on him. The commission should thoroughly vet reporters who are prepared to ask tough questions, follow up when a candidate fails to answer, and set the facts straight in the face of misleading responses. The moderators must also do their part to choose topics that cover a broad range of issues voters care about, so the American people can get a clear sense of how each candidate would handle the biggest crises facing the nation. As anyone who has seen his interviews with Fox News' Chris Wallace or Jonathan Swan of Axios knows, it's clear why the President prefers his campaign rallies over one-on-one Q&As -- he does not fare well when challenged. https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/opinions/trump-fourth-debate-request-zelizer/index.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Does Biden's running mate really matter? by Matthew Walther Original Article 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Texas: Trump vs. Biden Trafalgar Group (R)* Trump 49, Biden 43 Trump +6 Michigan: Trump vs. Biden EPIC-MRA* Biden 51, Trump 40 Biden +11 Utah: Trump vs. Biden Deseret News/Hinckley Inst.* Trump 50, Biden 31 Trump +19 Michigan Senate - James vs. Peters EPIC-MRA Peters 50, James 40 Peters +10 President Trump Job Approval Rasmussen Reports Approve 48, Disapprove 51 Disapprove +3 Thursday, August 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: Texas: Trump vs. Biden Trafalgar Group (R)* Trump 49, Biden 43 Trump +6 Michigan: Trump vs. Biden EPIC-MRA* Biden 51, Trump 40 Biden +11 Utah: Trump vs. Biden Deseret News/Hinckley Inst.* Trump 50, Biden 31 Trump +19 Michigan Senate - James vs. Peters EPIC-MRA Peters 50, James 40 Peters +10 President Trump Job Approval Rasmussen Reports Approve 48, Disapprove 51 Disapprove +3 Thursday, August 6 ...oh joy...the "Sunday Fecal Float".............YAWN.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Neither did his entire party. Truth Is, Biden Never Had a Firm Grip on Reality by Derek Hunter Original Article Near the end of last year, I casually joked on my podcast that watching Joe Biden campaign was like watching a public service announcement about elder abuse. As with all good humor, it was based in truth, but it wasn’t until recently that I realized just how much truth there was in that joke. But there’s more truth in it than I realized because Joe has not only been the butt of the joke, but he’s also been in on it the whole time. That Biden has lost a step isn’t in dispute. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...oh joy...the "Sunday Fecal Float".............YAWN.......... You are losing, don't cry Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Biden 49, Trump 43 Biden +6 Wisconsin: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Biden 48, Trump 42 Biden +6 Friday, August 7 Trump is still kind of close, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 6 hours ago, ALF said: To be sure, there is good reason for Biden -- and all Americans -- to be leery of the debates. As former White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart wrote, "It's a fool's errand to enter the ring with someone who can't follow the rules or the truth." Given Trump's track record with presidential debates, each encounter will likely turn into some mashup of professional wrestling, reality television and presidential politics. One way the commission can make sure the debates are fair and substantive is to carefully choose the moderators. It's telling that Trump's campaign has released a list of suggested moderators that includes right-wing pundits and Fox News personalities who would likely go easy on him. The commission should thoroughly vet reporters who are prepared to ask tough questions, follow up when a candidate fails to answer, and set the facts straight in the face of misleading responses. The moderators must also do their part to choose topics that cover a broad range of issues voters care about, so the American people can get a clear sense of how each candidate would handle the biggest crises facing the nation. As anyone who has seen his interviews with Fox News' Chris Wallace or Jonathan Swan of Axios knows, it's clear why the President prefers his campaign rallies over one-on-one Q&As -- he does not fare well when challenged. https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/opinions/trump-fourth-debate-request-zelizer/index.html This article argues itself into a corner. Point 1: Biden should probably not debate Trump because Trump lies. Point 1: Trump does not fare well when challenged, so maybe Biden SHOULD debate Trump. Trump has you folks twisted into pretzels. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are losing, don't cry Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Biden 49, Trump 43 Biden +6 Wisconsin: Trump vs. Biden CBS News/YouGov Biden 48, Trump 42 Biden +6 Friday, August 7 Trump is still kind of close, though Just curious what did the polls say at this point for Hillary in those states? I don't think you were part of conversation prior but the polls have always been trash and half of them have results that are outside of margin of error, basically meaning the process is flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, B-Man said: Truth Is, Biden Never Had a Firm Grip on Reality by Derek Hunter Funny how quickly the left forgets how much Biden has lied and plagiarized throughout his entire career. But yeah, Trump is the big liar in this race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Just curious what did the polls say at this point for Hillary in those states? I don't think you were part of conversation prior but the polls have always been trash and half of them have results that are outside of margin of error, basically meaning the process is flawed. Biden has a bigger lead than Clinton did. These polls now are showing up more in line with the 2018 results. Do you think the election will be fair if Trump loses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Orlando Tim Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Biden has a bigger lead than Clinton did. These polls now are showing up more in line with the 2018 results. Do you think the election will be fair if Trump loses? Either you are lying or have no clue- in August Hillary was up by more than 6 in Wisconsin, many polls had her up double digits in August and September. Your question about fair depending on result shows again you determine "fair" on whether you get your way. Fair is determined by process not result to honest people https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton-5659.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Either you are lying or have no clue- in August Hillary was up by more than 6 in Wisconsin, many polls had her up double digits in August and September. Your question about fair depending on result shows again you determine "fair" on whether you get your way. Fair is determined by process not result to honest people https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton-5659.html No, po really, the 2"18 polls are much closer than the 2016 election. Do you think the lectionaries will be fair? Will be be stolen by the Dems? You believe that Trump lie about millions of illegal people voting? Because if if you do, why do you even care at all about the polls? Makes no sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, po really, the 2"18 polls are much closer than the 2016 election. Do you think the lectionaries will be fair? Will be be stolen by the Dems? You believe that Trump lie about millions of illegal people voting? Because if if you do, why do you even care at all about the polls? Makes no sense Show me what you are talking about or just admit you are making it up. As I stated previously the polls are crap, so your defense for lying is the numbers don't matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 ...Joe's cognitive test results...everything looks normal......according to the "Dem Doctrine".....as intended............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Show me what you are talking about or just admit you are making it up. As I stated previously the polls are crap, so your defense for lying is the numbers don't matter? Lying about what? The polls showed a Dem victory in 18 and it happened. You our think the election will be fair? Was trump lying about millions of illegals voting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Orlando Tim Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Lying about what? The polls showed a Dem victory in 18 and it happened. You our think the election will be fair? Was trump lying about millions of illegals voting? Nothing like moving goal posts when you lie, they predicted a blowout and it was 1% difference. As for the illegal voters I will link this article which California only is dealing with people who are coming forward. If 1500 came forward then a lot more are not. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/1500-noncitizens-registered-vote-california-dmv-error/story%3fid=58377069 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, Buffalo Timmy said: Nothing like moving goal posts when you lie, they predicted a blowout and it was 1% difference. As for the illegal voters I will link this article which California only is dealing with people who are coming forward. If 1500 came forward then a lot more are not. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/1500-noncitizens-registered-vote-california-dmv-error/story%3fid=58377069 A blow out? No, it was considered too close to call. You are not being truthful. So yes, the election was a cheat? So Trump is right? Lol. 40 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Oh ha! Still winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tiberius said: A blow out? No, it was considered too close to call. You are not being truthful. So yes, the election was a cheat? So Trump is right? Lol. Oh ha! Still winning! https://politicalwire.com/2018/10/11/evers-leads-by-double-digits-in-wisconsin/ This was in October of 18 but we all knew it would be close since the polls don't aim to be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: https://politicalwire.com/2018/10/11/evers-leads-by-double-digits-in-wisconsin/ This was in October of 18 but we all knew it would be close since the polls don't aim to be correct. The polls accurately predicted the Blue Wave of '18 The '16 polls were right, Clinton did win by 2% of the popular vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: The polls accurately predicted the Blue Wave of '18 The '16 polls were right, Clinton did win by 2% of the popular vote The sad part is you are serious, you can't back up anything you say with actual facts or numbers but keep changing the goal line. But I love the fact you think the polls were right in 2016 because I think they will accurate in the same way this time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BillStime said: I mean, that’s certainly... one... way... of looking at it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Nope Explain how your life has been impacted in a negative way over these past 5 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Explain how your life has been impacted in a negative way over these past 5 months. My life has been worse because I have read several Tea Pain childish propaganda tweets ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chef Jim Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Explain how your life has been impacted in a negative way over these past 5 months. Waiting @BillStime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 16 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The sad part is you are serious, you can't back up anything you say with actual facts or numbers but keep changing the goal line. But I love the fact you think the polls were right in 2016 because I think they will accurate in the same way this time ? The polls were right in 2016, Hillary did win the popular vote by what they said, do you understand that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The polls were right in 2016, Hillary did win the popular vote by what they said, do you understand that? And yet...the salty tears of liberal voters flowed like sweet nectar from above. One of my regrets is that we will never see that sort of thing again. From arrogance to overconfidence to premature celebration to concern to panic to crestfallen to crazed was just awesome. It was like a kick a$$ ride at Universal Studios. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: And yet...the salty tears of liberal voters flowed like sweet nectar from above. One of my regrets is that we will never see that sort of thing again. From arrogance to overconfidence to premature celebration to concern to panic to crestfallen to crazed was just awesome. It was like a kick a$$ ride at Universal Studios. The cup of bitterness shall be passed to those arrogant people that supported this incompetent blowhard. Shame on you people for doing this to our country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The cup of bitterness shall be passed to those arrogant people that supported this incompetent blowhard. Shame on you people for doing this to our country We can't sing Happy Days are Here Again that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 The Tide Turns Toward Trump by Kurt Schlichter Original Article Remember how Donald Trump was totally doomed just a couple weeks ago? Grandpa Badfinger was ridin’ high down in his basement and the GOP was going to be destroyed in November. All the smart people of smartness who make up liberal blue check Twitter tweeted it so it had to be true. Good times. NOT GOOD: Five More Things You Probably Didn’t Know about Susan Rice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, B-Man said: Remember how Donald Trump was totally doomed just a couple weeks ago? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: NOT GOOD: Five More Things You Probably Didn’t Know about Susan Rice. That convinces me , she will be the perfect VP ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALF Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 God @thegoodgodabove If I step in now, you guys will never learn the ‘stop putting fascists in power’ rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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