Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: There was TONS of videos in 2018 of people going door to door harvesting ballots only to toss them or change them. The internet is forever. Take a spin on the wayback machine and take a gander. Ballot Harvesting (which is legal in CA) is legalized cheating in its implementation. Aren't you the guy who believed the internet video by the kid who couldn't get in the front door of the hospital that he proved the hospital was empty? As far as the proof of cheating, if you know how to find them I will take a look and it may change my mind. Give me your best ones.
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Nice article. Did you read it? I see no where in the definition of "harvesting" anything necessarily fraudulent. There is no charge of stealing ballots, changing ballots or inserting dead people's ballots. I never said it was fraudulent in CA. It's actually perfectly legal. Including the ability to get the person to sign the ballot and let the person collecting the ballot fill it out for them. What I said was it was the way to disenfranchise your vote. 1 1
B-Man Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/11/2020 at 11:48 AM, B-Man said: JOHN FUND: Mail-In Ballots are a Recipe for Confusion, Coercion and Fraud. FTA “ballot harvesting,” whereby political operatives go door-to-door collecting ballots that they then deliver to election officials. All of these would dramatically reduce safeguards protecting election integrity. California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, signed an executive order requiring that every registered voter — including those listed as “inactive” — be mailed a ballot this November. This could be a disaster waiting to happen. Los Angeles County (population 10 million) has a registration rate of 112 percent of its adult citizen population. More than one out of every five L.A. County registrations probably belongs to a voter who has moved, or who is deceased or otherwise ineligible. Just last January, the public-interest law firm Judicial Watch reached a settlement agreement with the State of California and L.A. County officials to begin removing as many as 1.5 million inactive voters whose registrations may be invalid. Neither state nor county officials in California have been removing inactive voters from the rolls for 20 years, even though the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed last year, in Husted v. Randolph Institute, a case about Ohio’s voter-registration laws, that federal law “makes this removal mandatory.” Experts have long cautioned against wholesale use of mail ballots, which are cast outside the scrutiny of election officials. “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud,” was the conclusion of the bipartisan 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former president Jimmy Carter and former secretary of state James Baker. That remains true today. In 2012, a Miami–Dade County Grand Jury issued a public report recommending that Florida change its law to prohibit “ballot harvesting” unless the ballots are “those of the voter and members of the voter’s immediate family.” “Once that ballot is out of the hands of the elector, we have no idea what happens to it,” they pointed out. “The possibilities are numerous and scary.” Indeed. In 2018, a political consultant named Leslie McCrae Dowless and seven others were indicted on charges of “scheming to illegally collect, fill in, forge and submit mail-in ballots” to benefit Republican congressional candidate Mark Harris, the Washington Post reported. The fraud was extensive enough that Harris’s 900-vote victory was invalidated by the courts and the race was rerun. (neither side can be trusted with this loose balloting) Texas has a long history of intimidation and coercion involving absentee ballots. The abuse of elderly voters is so pervasive that Omar Escobar, the Democratic district attorney of Starr County, Texas, says, “The time has come to consider an alternative to mail-in voting.” Escobar says it needs to be replaced with “something that can’t be hijacked.” But, hey, what do those folks know............... . 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Aren't you the guy who believed the internet video by the kid who couldn't get in the front door of the hospital that he proved the hospital was empty? Nope. 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: As far as the proof of cheating, if you know how to find them I will take a look and it may change my mind. Give me your best ones They exist on this board. Do your own homework, Sue.
Cinga Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Aren't you the guy who believed the internet video by the kid who couldn't get in the front door of the hospital that he proved the hospital was empty? As far as the proof of cheating, if you know how to find them I will take a look and it may change my mind. Give me your best ones. Here is some ballot fraud going on right now in NJ. About 6 percent of the ballots have been set aside so far. That's enough to tilt almost any election under normal circumstances. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/hundreds-of-mail-in-votes-already-set-aside-due-to-paterson-voter-fraud-claims/2414171/ Quote More than 800 mail-in votes in one of New Jersey's largest cities have already been set aside, according to a county spokesperson, as an election is marred by allegations of voter fraud. 3
Warren Zevon Posted May 13, 2020 Author Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: You going to opt out of voting next week because you are anti-mail in ballot? 1
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: I never said it was fraudulent in CA. It's actually perfectly legal. Including the ability to get the person to sign the ballot and let the person collecting the ballot fill it out for them. What I said was it was the way to disenfranchise your vote. Is that actually true? Or an assumption?
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Nope. They exist on this board. Do your own homework, Sue. Who you calling Sue? I'll sue you, for punative damages! https://youtu.be/QhjBlPucpd0 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Who you calling Sue? I'll sue you, for punative damages! https://youtu.be/QhjBlPucpd0 You. And if you learn the history of TSW, you'll understand the reference
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Is that actually true? Or an assumption? It is true that you can sign your ballot and let someone fill it in for you? Yes. Is it true that it disenfranchises your vote? Yes. 2 1
Joe Miner Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said: It is true that you can sign your ballot and let someone fill it in for you? Yes. Is it true that it disenfranchises your vote? Yes. 1
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said: It is true that you can sign your ballot and let someone fill it in for you? Yes. Is it true that it disenfranchises your vote? Yes. When I've voted by mail, the signature on the envelope required me to affirm that I was the only person to mark and seal the ballot. It looks like the California ballot requires voters to affirm that they placed the ballot in the envelope. Does federal election law stipulate whether or not it is legal to allow others to vote for you? Have the courts ruled on this? If it does exist in federal law, and I suspect that it does, that would superviene on California's election process, making it a crime to vote for someone else. I'm having a hard time tracking down in California's election law where it specifically allows for another to vote for you. If it doesn't exist, I would support federal legislation making it illegal to vote for someone else. If only the Republicans and Democrats could have worked on a bill that stipulated that it was illegal to mark someone else's ballot as vote by mail expands during coronavirus! Edited May 13, 2020 by Motorin'
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Motorin' said: It looks like the California ballot requires voters to affirm that they placed the ballot in the envelope. Well, that solves that, then. Zero chance of tampering and fraud, because of the affirmations! 5
Taro T Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Well, that solves that, then. Zero chance of tampering and fraud, because of the affirmations! If only somebody had been smart enough to put up a sign stating "this is an election fraud free state" then ALL the people looking to game the system would finally be thwarted. It worked with guns. Right? 2
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, Taro T said: If only somebody had been smart enough to put up a sign stating "this is an election fraud free state" then ALL the people looking to game the system would finally be thwarted. It worked with guns. Right? And drugs.
B-Man Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) Nunes Says CA Repubs Plan to Ballot Harvest in November; Here’s How to Reduce Vote By Mail Fraud by Jennifer VanLaar California Rep. Devin Nunes appeared Fox News At Night with Shannon Bream Wednesday discussing the party’s re-taking of the CA-25 seat formerly held by Katie Hill, among other topics. In order to retain that seat in November, Nunes says, the GOP will have to invest in a “robust ballot harvesting operation.” Thank goodness. (Coincidentally, that was the point I made in a radio appearance Wednesday afternoon.) Twitter liberals, predictably butthurt about their shellacking and possessing unbearably short memories combined with an abundance of ignorance, pounced on Nunes, accusing him of planning to break the law because he pointed out that “ballot harvesting” is illegal in 49 states. Guess which state is the one in which it is legal? That’s right. California. It’s a law that was spearheaded by Democrat Asm. Lorena Gonzalez (yes, she of “F*ck Elon Musk” fame) and voted against by every Republican in the legislature. Republican grassroots activists in California are overjoyed by Nunes’ pronouncement, because they know there is no way other congressional seats will be flipped without it. While state party officials claimed to be shocked at the harvesting that occurred in 2018, they were definitely warned. I know this because I was one of the people who warned them. I was a communications consultant on a congressional race in the state in 2018. The week after the June primary, on a conference call with other stakeholders and with a representative from the CAGOP, I asked what plans the party had for ballot harvesting prior to the general election. None, I was told. When I pressed the issue, saying that the new law gave Democrats the green light to legally do on a large scale what they’d been low-key doing for years, I was told (paraphrasing): “Well, I don’t think they’re really going to do that. In any event, that’s not something the party has resources for, so if your campaign wants to do it you’ll have to fund it and run it yourself.” I sat in stunned silence. The representative was right; the campaign, like many in the state, received basically zero help (in any way) from the state party. Of course, we lost. I wasn’t the only one beating the drum, and in a few areas of the state there were efforts at ballot harvesting, but due to infighting within the CAGOP and the use of blacklists, the operations were not of the “robust” type Nunes referenced. More at the link: https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/05/15/count-the-ways-cas-ballot-harvesting-law-leads-to-stolen-elections/ Edited May 15, 2020 by B-Man
njbuff Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 What could go wrong with mail-in voting? I foresee no problems whatsoever. ?
Motorin' Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, B-Man said: Nunes Says CA Repubs Plan to Ballot Harvest in November; Here’s How to Reduce Vote By Mail Fraud by Jennifer VanLaar California Rep. Devin Nunes appeared Fox News At Night with Shannon Bream Wednesday discussing the party’s re-taking of the CA-25 seat formerly held by Katie Hill, among other topics. In order to retain that seat in November, Nunes says, the GOP will have to invest in a “robust ballot harvesting operation.” Thank goodness. (Coincidentally, that was the point I made in a radio appearance Wednesday afternoon.) Twitter liberals, predictably butthurt about their shellacking and possessing unbearably short memories combined with an abundance of ignorance, pounced on Nunes, accusing him of planning to break the law because he pointed out that “ballot harvesting” is illegal in 49 states. Guess which state is the one in which it is legal? That’s right. California. It’s a law that was spearheaded by Democrat Asm. Lorena Gonzalez (yes, she of “F*ck Elon Musk” fame) and voted against by every Republican in the legislature. Republican grassroots activists in California are overjoyed by Nunes’ pronouncement, because they know there is no way other congressional seats will be flipped without it. While state party officials claimed to be shocked at the harvesting that occurred in 2018, they were definitely warned. I know this because I was one of the people who warned them. I was a communications consultant on a congressional race in the state in 2018. The week after the June primary, on a conference call with other stakeholders and with a representative from the CAGOP, I asked what plans the party had for ballot harvesting prior to the general election. None, I was told. When I pressed the issue, saying that the new law gave Democrats the green light to legally do on a large scale what they’d been low-key doing for years, I was told (paraphrasing): “Well, I don’t think they’re really going to do that. In any event, that’s not something the party has resources for, so if your campaign wants to do it you’ll have to fund it and run it yourself.” I sat in stunned silence. The representative was right; the campaign, like many in the state, received basically zero help (in any way) from the state party. Of course, we lost. I wasn’t the only one beating the drum, and in a few areas of the state there were efforts at ballot harvesting, but due to infighting within the CAGOP and the use of blacklists, the operations were not of the “robust” type Nunes referenced. More at the link: https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/05/15/count-the-ways-cas-ballot-harvesting-law-leads-to-stolen-elections/ This is a pretty fair article on the topic: https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2019/12/16/cagop-must-embrace-ballot-harvesting-push-reforms-survive-2020/ In the video provided, the ballot harvestor tells the voter that she's there to pickup her ballot, that it's a service her organization (pressumably a democratic org) is only offering to registered Democrats, and the the ballot has to be signed and sealed for the harvestor to even touch it. The article goes on to say that the GOP of California is looking to harvest ballots from registered Republicans in the state who are new or infrequent voters. From voters who would vote Republican, but need extra motivation to get out to vote.
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