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22 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t really think Anderson was anything special plus he is a moron off the field.  Perriman is super talented (1st round pick) but he has bricks for hands.  I hope he forgets how to catch again.  
 

I will say this without a doubt.  The Bills have done a much better job surrounding Allen with talent than the Jets have with Darnold.

 

Others have already responded but Anderson is a better player than Perriman.

 

And as for surrounding their QB with talent...the Jets gave Darnold Anderson, Crowder, Bell...if people start claiming Darnold "hasn't been given a chance" to explain why Allen is having more success I'm going to call b.s.

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29 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Wasn't Enuwa contemplating retirement due to cervical issues? 

 

His status is definitely unclear.

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30 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Others have already responded but Anderson is a better player than Perriman.

 

And as for surrounding their QB with talent...the Jets gave Darnold Anderson, Crowder, Bell...if people start claiming Darnold "hasn't been given a chance" to explain why Allen is having more success I'm going to call b.s.

 

Darnold hasn't been given a line. They both had tissue paper lines as rookies.... Beane did something about it and the Jets failed to. Weapons wise I agree Darnold has had some pieces - and if you look at how he played from week 8 on last season after the first half of his season was affected by the mono.... Darnold played well - 62%, 14 TDs, 5 INTs and on tape you really saw a step up in his game. Josh is ahead at this stage, but it is close, and he is certainly in a better run, more stable organisation. I think Darnold after the "seeing ghosts" game straightened his play out... if I were a Jets fan he would be the one bright spark for me. Once the inevitable Gase firing happens next January they might have a Quarterback for a new coach to come in and work with.

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12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Darnold hasn't been given a line. They both had tissue paper lines as rookies.... Beane did something about it and the Jets failed to. Weapons wise I agree Darnold has had some pieces - and if you look at how he played from week 8 on last season after the first half of his season was affected by the mono.... Darnold played well - 62%, 14 TDs, 5 INTs and on tape you really saw a step up in his game. Josh is ahead at this stage, but it is close, and he is certainly in a better run, more stable organisation. I think Darnold after the "seeing ghosts" game straightened his play out... if I were a Jets fan he would be the one bright spark for me. Once the inevitable Gase firing happens next January they might have a Quarterback for a new coach to come in and work with.

I thought they would be a good team last season.... I really underestimated how bad Gase is, along with Darnold getting Mono.

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49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Darnold hasn't been given a line. They both had tissue paper lines as rookies.... Beane did something about it and the Jets failed to. Weapons wise I agree Darnold has had some pieces - and if you look at how he played from week 8 on last season after the first half of his season was affected by the mono.... Darnold played well - 62%, 14 TDs, 5 INTs and on tape you really saw a step up in his game. Josh is ahead at this stage, but it is close, and he is certainly in a better run, more stable organisation. I think Darnold after the "seeing ghosts" game straightened his play out... if I were a Jets fan he would be the one bright spark for me. Once the inevitable Gase firing happens next January they might have a Quarterback for a new coach to come in and work with.

 

I know you already know this, but playing good football when your season is already over (as the Jets did after W7 last year) is much different than playing well in games that matter.

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On 3/24/2020 at 7:51 PM, YoloinOhio said:

 

Don't even fix a price.

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

His status is definitely unclear.

I believe he was pissed at the Jets for something related to his injury - was he the one being fined for not being at the facility while he was on IR? Anyway, here is this 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I know you already know this, but playing good football when your season is already over (as the Jets did after W7 last year) is much different than playing well in games that matter.

 

For sure. But he didn't play in many of the games that mattered. I think there was a noticeable step up in Darnold's play. Of course he has to show he can maintain it but I think Darnold still has a chance to be good.

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11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

For sure. But he didn't play in many of the games that mattered. I think there was a noticeable step up in Darnold's play. Of course he has to show he can maintain it but I think Darnold still has a chance to be good.

Darnold definitely has a bright future imo I just think he’s been set up poorly thus far for success, for a number of reasons both within and beyond the team’s control 

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

For sure. But he didn't play in many of the games that mattered. I think there was a noticeable step up in Darnold's play. Of course he has to show he can maintain it but I think Darnold still has a chance to be good.

 

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Darnold definitely has a bright future imo I just think he’s been set up poorly thus far for success, for a number of reasons both within and beyond the team’s control 

 

Oh I'm not calling him a bust by any means...I bet he is a bit envious of the organization his good buddy Josh got drafted into, though.

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On 3/24/2020 at 7:51 PM, YoloinOhio said:
Darnold:

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You’re forgetting Gase’s reputation as the ‘quarterback whisperer’.  A few sweet nothings in Darnold’s ear about Perriman by Gase, and Sammy boy will be ‘so nice, lawd, he’ll be lovey dovey’.  😁

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37 minutes ago, eball said:

Oh I'm not calling him a bust by any means...I bet he is a bit envious of the organization his good buddy Josh got drafted into, though.

 

For sure he is. I think roles reversed Darnold would be ahead at this point. The Bills are finally a stable organisation with a plan and the Jets are a hot mess.

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6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

For sure he is. I think roles reversed Darnold would be ahead at this point. The Bills are finally a stable organisation with a plan and the Jets are a hot mess.

 

Jets asked for it when they hired Gase.

 

 

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Just now, Gugny said:

 

Jets asked for it when they hired Gase.

 

Agreed. I have been on the Gase sucks train since before it was cool. I said he sucked when people were lauding him an offensive whizz kid for agreeing to call the plays Peyton Manning was calling.

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4 hours ago, eball said:

 

Others have already responded but Anderson is a better player than Perriman.

 

And as for surrounding their QB with talent...the Jets gave Darnold Anderson, Crowder, Bell...if people start claiming Darnold "hasn't been given a chance" to explain why Allen is having more success I'm going to call b.s.

Perriman had 100 less yards and 2 more tds in 2 less games than Anderson.  BP had been a huge bust and had terrible hands.  But he was really good down the stretch for the Bucs and is blessed with a lot of God given talent.  His upside could be higher than Anderson if he can catch the ball, which has been a problem. 

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agreed. I have been on the Gase sucks train since before it was cool. I said he sucked when people were lauding him an offensive whizz kid for agreeing to call the plays Peyton Manning was calling.

It takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong, and since I am so rarely wrong and I’m a big man, I’ll admit I thought Gase would be fine.  All he had to do was develop Darnold and he would be fine.  I underestimated how much of a weirdo he is. 
 

that said, I think it would be dumb to overlook the Jets.  They had a terrible start to the season losing their qb and MLB and finished well.  He needs to cut down on the picks but SD showed some big flashes down the stretch.  

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26 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Jets asked for it when they hired Gase.

 

 

And Gase/Douglas didn’t draft Darnold so the level of investment in his success just wont be the same. They aren’t tied to him, they inherited him. Similar situation in Cleveland. 

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On 3/26/2020 at 9:20 AM, eball said:

 

I know you already know this, but playing good football when your season is already over (as the Jets did after W7 last year) is much different than playing well in games that matter.

 

He played alright last year.  He's the least of their problems. 

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23 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Perriman had 100 less yards and 2 more tds in 2 less games than Anderson.  BP had been a huge bust and had terrible hands.  But he was really good down the stretch for the Bucs and is blessed with a lot of God given talent.  His upside could be higher than Anderson if he can catch the ball, which has been a problem. 

It takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong, and since I am so rarely wrong and I’m a big man, I’ll admit I thought Gase would be fine.  All he had to do was develop Darnold and he would be fine.  I underestimated how much of a weirdo he is. 
 

that said, I think it would be dumb to overlook the Jets.  They had a terrible start to the season losing their qb and MLB and finished well.  He needs to cut down on the picks but SD showed some big flashes down the stretch.  

 

Their defense isn't terrible.  They also really haven't improved at all and im not a big fan of their coaching staff.  

 

We both had the luxury of an easier schedule a year ago.  They just had a horribly inefficient offense.  They had 3 weeks in a row where they scored 34 points.  They followed that up with 6 against the bengals.  They lost midseason to miami and got beat down by the jags.  

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23 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Jets asked for it when they hired Gase.

 

 

 

...and are asking for it again this year by sticking with him.

 

The Jest are always woefully and slowly reactive, never proactive. We'll see if Joe Douglas makes a difference in that toxic environment with a bad owner(s). FWIW, the talking heads in the NYC area are all pretty much in lockstep in saying that that the Jest are targeting whichever one of the top OL is available when they pick at #11 and not a WR. That is absolutely the right move which means that the Johnson brothers will swoop in and take the flashy toy instead of the elite offensive lineman they need in order to keep Sam Darnold from morphing into 'David Carr 2.0'. 

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This guy was absolute trash here in Baltimore, Ravens fans are laughing at the Jets even more than they normally do. Yeah, later career turnarounds have happened before, but I am so glad we didn't take a chance on him.

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On 3/26/2020 at 4:18 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

They still have Enunwa as well who I like but is always hurt. Jeudy and Enunwa with Crowder in the slot and Perriman to play in specific packages is not awful. However, unless they get some linemen they could have Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and TO at wide receiver and it wouldn't matter if Darnold is on the ground.

 

The Jets added a lot of quantity along their O-line, Van Rotten and other mid-level to lower mid-level guys were added. Which I think is a better approach than they had last offseason where they added 2 big signings (Kalil and Osemele) but had little depth. I think their approach this off-season was a lot more prudent and a lot more focused on areas of need and depth than last off-season. IF the Jets have a good draft adding a quality WR at the top and adding another quality O-linemen in round 2 and hit on some depth in the rest of the draft I think they can be a competitive team 8-9 win team. 

 

Last year the Jets won 7 games (6 plus the game at the end of the season where the Bills were resting the starters and it was still a close game) and that was with Darnold having mono missing 3 games and a lot of other injuries. Now I would argue that the Jets were poorly constructed from a depth perspective which contributed to their issues but they seem to have at least addressed their O-line depth issue and made some decent defensive signings. 

 

What in my mind kills the Jets is the coaching. Gase is a huge anchor around the neck of the team it is embarrassing. What a trash hire. BUT I wouldn't write off the Jets as being decent competition within the division. 

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Just now, billsfan89 said:

 

The Jets added a lot of quantity along their O-line, Van Rotten and other mid-level to lower mid-level guys were added. Which I think is a better approach than they had last offseason where they added 2 big signings (Kalil and Osemele) but had little depth. I think their approach this off-season was a lot more prudent and a lot more focused on areas of need and depth than last off-season. IF the Jets have a good draft adding a quality WR at the top and adding another quality O-linemen in round 2 and hit on some depth in the rest of the draft I think they can be a competitive team 8-9 win team. 

 

Last year the Jets won 7 games (6 plus the game at the end of the season where the Bills were resting the starters and it was still a close game) and that was with Darnold having mono missing 3 games and a lot of other injuries. Now I would argue that the Jets were poorly constructed from a depth perspective which contributed to their issues but they seem to have at least addressed their O-line depth issue and made some decent defensive signings. 

 

What in my mind kills the Jets is the coaching. Gase is a huge anchor around the neck of the team it is embarrassing. What a trash hire. BUT I wouldn't write off the Jets as being decent competition within the division. 

 

I ain't a massive Van Rotten fan. As for the guys they added last year...  Kalil missed the whole offseason and came out of retirement last minute. That line is still a massive issue. 

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Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I ain't a massive Van Rotten fan. As for the guys they added last year...  Kalil missed the whole offseason and came out of retirement last minute. That line is still a massive issue. 

 

They also signed Connor McGovern from Denver who is a very underrated center and Josh Andrews from the Colts who is decent depth. Not saying they completely fixed their O-line but Van Rotten and McGovern should start for them and their depth improved at the interior and if they can add another starter via the draft their O-line will at least be a respectable unit unlike last year where it was a complete mess. 

 

The Jets also sport a decent defense (love the Poole signing for them) and I think that Darnold with a decent O-line and some weapons could put together a upper mid-level NFL offense. I don't think of the Jets as world beaters but with an improved O-line and less injuries they could easily be a tough out that gets to .500 or better. 

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1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

They also signed Connor McGovern from Denver who is a very underrated center and Josh Andrews from the Colts who is decent depth. Not saying they completely fixed their O-line but Van Rotten and McGovern should start for them and their depth improved at the interior and if they can add another starter via the draft their O-line will at least be a respectable unit unlike last year where it was a complete mess. 

 

The Jets also sport a decent defense (love the Poole signing for them) and I think that Darnold with a decent O-line and some weapons could put together a upper mid-level NFL offense. I don't think of the Jets as world beaters but with an improved O-line and less injuries they could easily be a tough out that gets to .500 or better. 

 

I do like McGovern. I think he is a good pick up. 

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