SoCal Deek Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 19 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: …...so you have ongoing design work being done remotely?...……... Yes. Nothing is drawn by hand anymore. Everything is designed/modeled/drafted on the computer. CADD has now evolved into 3D believe it or not. We do however work a lot in teams on our larger projects so while it’s been a bit strained it’s certainly been doable. Daily check in video meeting with my design studio every morning.
Gary M Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 16 hours ago, B-Man said: If you're sitting around watching TV news commentary about our coronavirus predicament... ... and I don't recommend that you do... here's a drinking game you can play... not that I recommend drinking... either seriously or in a game... maybe just pay attention and — like us — exclaim in delighted outrage whenever this happens: Somebody who means to say "open the economy" says "open the government." It's telling! And it happens a lot! Posted by Ann Althouse I noticed that the other day
ChevyVanMiller Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 I only had the time to read through a couple of pages of this thread so forgive me if this has already been discussed. I'm wondering what everyone's thoughts are on how we can successfully reopen businesses once quarantines begin being lifted? I listened to the governor of California who stated that things as we knew them will no longer exist. He mentioned that restaurants would have to be only partially full with people sitting at proper social distancing rates from one another. The same for things like movie theaters and entertainment venues. . The problem with that is that most business models in our society are predicated on places being full to survive and thrive. Restaurants that don't have full tables and people waiting to get in very rarely survive. The same for movie theaters, concert venues, hotels, retail outlets and any sort of entertainment attraction. I work in that field (for a 1,000 room hotel) and I fear that most most businesses will not survive unless people come back in droves. I don't have the answer, but would love to be part of a think tank that figures out ways that we can get the economy rolling again because to do it with only partially full businesses is going to mean most of them are going to go bankrupt. Would love to hear your thoughts.
RochesterRob Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: I only had the time to read through a couple of pages of this thread so forgive me if this has already been discussed. I'm wondering what everyone's thoughts are on how we can successfully reopen businesses once quarantines begin being lifted? I listened to the governor of California who stated that things as we knew them will no longer exist. He mentioned that restaurants would have to be only partially full with people sitting at proper social distancing rates from one another. The same for things like movie theaters and entertainment venues. . The problem with that is that most business models in our society are predicated on places being full to survive and thrive. Restaurants that don't have full tables and people waiting to get in very rarely survive. The same for movie theaters, concert venues, hotels, retail outlets and any sort of entertainment attraction. I work in that field (for a 1,000 room hotel) and I fear that most most businesses will not survive unless people come back in droves. I don't have the answer, but would love to be part of a think tank that figures out ways that we can get the economy rolling again because to do it with only partially full businesses is going to mean most of them are going to go bankrupt. Would love to hear your thoughts. My gut feeling is a lot of things are going to struggle badly. Thanks for giving us a perspective from the hospitality industry. My perspective from watching the country cousins is that agriculture is and will struggle badly. There is still milk not being picked up costing farmers income. Meat processing plants are dealing with COVID 19 concerns in terms of employees forcing some closures. Both milk and meat not being processed creates a cascade through the economy. Many businesses here in WNY depends on agriculture for their survival. Banks depend on healthy portfolios of the various businesses that they finance and when balance sheets erode it affects the health of the bank as well as its customers. Edited April 16, 2020 by RochesterRob 1 1
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: I only had the time to read through a couple of pages of this thread so forgive me if this has already been discussed. I'm wondering what everyone's thoughts are on how we can successfully reopen businesses once quarantines begin being lifted? I listened to the governor of California who stated that things as we knew them will no longer exist. He mentioned that restaurants would have to be only partially full with people sitting at proper social distancing rates from one another. The same for things like movie theaters and entertainment venues. . The problem with that is that most business models in our society are predicated on places being full to survive and thrive. Restaurants that don't have full tables and people waiting to get in very rarely survive. The same for movie theaters, concert venues, hotels, retail outlets and any sort of entertainment attraction. I work in that field (for a 1,000 room hotel) and I fear that most most businesses will not survive unless people come back in droves. I don't have the answer, but would love to be part of a think tank that figures out ways that we can get the economy rolling again because to do it with only partially full businesses is going to mean most of them are going to go bankrupt. Would love to hear your thoughts. Unfortunately, I don't think people are going to come back in droves in the airline, hotel and vacation business anytime soon. Or for that matter a number of other industries, until the public perception believes that the Virus is pretty much under near full control which won't be until after a vaccine. And even then, it takes time for the Vaccine to be applied to the masses and then there is still the economic fallout that will take time to rebuild. I don't see places like Vegas or South Beach being what they were for probably another 30 months or so. That's not to say that other industries won't recover sooner than that or even all hospitality businesses. There are a number of variables involved. The two big keys will be: Public perception, when the public feels safe to go back to life pre COVID 19. And the economic fallout, how long will it take to recover? 2
RochesterRob Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Magox said: Unfortunately, I don't think people are going to come back in droves in the airline, hotel and vacation business anytime soon. Or for that matter a number of other industries, until the public perception believes that the Virus is pretty much under near full control which won't be until after a vaccine. And even then, it takes time for the Vaccine to be applied to the masses and then there is still the economic fallout that will take time to rebuild. I don't see places like Vegas or South Beach being what they were for probably another 30 months or so. That's not to say that other industries won't recover sooner than that or even all hospitality businesses. There are a number of variables involved. The two big keys will be: Public perception, when the public feels safe to go back to life pre COVID 19. And the economic fallout, how long will it take to recover? Most vulnerable businesses will cease to exist long before 30 months elapses. Nearly all have to borrow money to operate and no doubt the creditors are feeling very vulnerable themselves. 3
B-Man Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 PUSHBACK: Pennsylvania State Senate votes to override governor’s stay-at-home order. “The measure, Senate Bill 613, would require the governor’s office to align with federal guidelines in determining which businesses will be allowed to reopen during the pandemic, allowing all those that can safely operate with mitigation strategies under Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency guidelines. The measure passed the senate 29-21 Wednesday after passing the state House 107-95 Tuesday.” .
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, RochesterRob said: Most vulnerable businesses will cease to exist long before 30 months elapses. Nearly all have to borrow money to operate and no doubt the creditors are feeling very vulnerable themselves. For sure, but that's not what I was implying. I'm taking into account businesses permanently shuddering which there will be lots and eventually new businesses replacing them in some sort of capacity. And that full economic activity won't return to pre Covid 19 levels for some industries for at least 30 months.
RochesterRob Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: For sure, but that's not what I was implying. I'm taking into account businesses permanently shuddering which there will be lots and eventually new businesses replacing them in some sort of capacity. And that full economic activity won't return to pre Covid 19 levels for some industries for at least 30 months. And where is the money coming from for these new businesses? From under the mattress? The sock drawer? Most businesses depend on the ability to borrow money. Who gets to decide who fails and who takes the place of the fallen? There will be many chit storms over that.
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, RochesterRob said: And where is the money coming from for these new businesses? From under the mattress? The sock drawer? Most businesses depend on the ability to borrow money. Who gets to decide who fails and who takes the place of the fallen? There will be many chit storms over that. It's gonna suck. But I believe we'll get there, just that it will take some time. I know Trump believes it will be a V recovery, I just don't see that happening.
RochesterRob Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Magox said: It's gonna suck. But I believe we'll get there, just that it will take some time. I know Trump believes it will be a V recovery, I just don't see that happening. It's gonna more than just suck. People will be flocking to extremist groups and civil unrest will be far and wide unfortunately.
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: It's gonna more than just suck. People will be flocking to extremist groups and civil unrest will be far and wide unfortunately. I wouldn't be surprised to see some realignments from a socioeconomic standpoint. I could see people moving slightly more towards a libertarianish bent if these social distancing and infringement of civil liberty policies persist. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Yes. Nothing is drawn by hand anymore. Everything is designed/modeled/drafted on the computer. CADD has now evolved into 3D believe it or not. We do however work a lot in teams on our larger projects so while it’s been a bit strained it’s certainly been doable. Daily check in video meeting with my design studio every morning. ...same parameters for our Electrical Design Department.....
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Yes. Nothing is drawn by hand anymore. Everything is designed/modeled/drafted on the computer. CADD has now evolved into 3D believe it or not. We do however work a lot in teams on our larger projects so while it’s been a bit strained it’s certainly been doable. Daily check in video meeting with my design studio every morning. Wanna buy some townhouse lots? ?
3rdnlng Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 I posted a few days ago that the time to get back to something near normal is when we get to a point where we wouldn't have shut down the economy in the first place. When each state or area becomes prepared enough to handle the influx of new cases then it's back to work we go. We should use precautions such as masks in crowded areas, frequent hand washing and extra precautions for the elderly or those susceptible to infection. The thing to worry the most here is the desire by those people, politicians and leftist looking demagogues that want to use this pandemic to fundamentally change our country. No, we don't need to change the way we vote, free prisoners or outlaw protests because of Covid-19. We need to stay practical and adhere to our constitution and culture. 1
dpberr Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Magox said: I wouldn't be surprised to see some realignments from a socioeconomic standpoint. I could see people moving slightly more towards a libertarianish bent if these social distancing and infringement of civil liberty policies persist. People without money, without purpose and feeling helpless are formidable opponents to a civil society. 3
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He should be hammering this in stark terms during the briefers. He made mention of it yesterday but didn’t put nearly enough oomph into it. it should be something like: Every day Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer hold the PPP hostage is a day where millions of Americans are suffering. This is a popular bill that has already been passed and agreed upon by both parties and now they are holding it hostage. Americans are suffering and all Nancy and Chuck have to do is put it up for a vote and help the engine of our economy. He just needs to hammer this over and over and over until they feel the political wrath of the public. 6
shoshin Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I posted a few days ago that the time to get back to something near normal is when we get to a point where we wouldn't have shut down the economy in the first place. When each state or area becomes prepared enough to handle the influx of new cases then it's back to work we go. We should use precautions such as masks in crowded areas, frequent hand washing and extra precautions for the elderly or those susceptible to infection. That's what Merkel said today. And her reopening was an announcement of extreme caution that they are reopening on a knife's edge. I hope that when we reopen, we heed her caution. We may not bounce back economically once for a long time. Twice is unthinkable. 15 minutes ago, Magox said: He should be hammering this in stark terms during the briefers. He made mention of it yesterday but didn’t put nearly enough oomph into it. it should be something like: Every day Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer hold the PPP hostage is a day where millions of Americans are suffering. This is a popular bill that has already been passed and agreed upon by both parties and now they are holding it hostage. Americans are suffering and all Nancy and Chuck have to do is put it up for a vote and help the engine of our economy. He just needs to hammer this over and over and over until they feel the political wrath of the public. It's wrangling over something. It will pass.
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: It's wrangling over something. It will pass. It will. But that's not the point. It's a true statement to say that every day that they don't replenish the funds is a day where more businesses will permanently shudder. So to have a blase attitude with no urgency is something that should be highlighted. Because there is urgency involved here and businesses are at stake.
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