Doc Brown Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) On 3/27/2020 at 5:38 PM, apuszczalowski said: Have people been disappointed with this recent season? This was on page 3 and no one talking about the last couple episodes. I just caught up watching the last 2 episodes last night. No. I've been surprised by the comments saying it's been boring. I just caught up on it and think it's better than ever. I find the relationship between Jimmy and Kim to be more interesting than the Nacho/Gus/Mike story line. They've managed to make Kim the most interesting and conflicted character on the show at this point. Although, Gus being a ruthless villain in the guise of a reserved small business owner has been fun to watch too. The show is like watching an interesting tragedy because you know for the most part that Kim will no longer be in "Saul's" life in Breaking Bad and that Saul will eventually get in too deep with the underworld that he's going to have to go on the run. How will the Kim/Jimmy relationship end? What happens to Nacho and his father? Edited March 29, 2020 by Doc Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 This show has me as captivated if not more than breaking bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 18 hours ago, meazza said: This show has me as captivated if not more than breaking bad. It's truly amazing that a spinoff could turn out this well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 3:36 AM, Doc Brown said: No. I've been surprised by the comments saying it's been boring. I just caught up on it and think it's better than ever. I find the relationship between Jimmy and Kim to be more interesting than the Nacho/Gus/Mike story line. They've managed to make Kim the most interesting and conflicted character on the show at this point. Although, Gus being a ruthless villain in the guise of a reserved small business owner has been fun to watch too. The show is like watching an interesting tragedy because you know for the most part that Kim will no longer be in "Saul's" life in Breaking Bad and that Saul will eventually get in too deep with the underworld that he's going to have to go on the run. How will the Kim/Jimmy relationship end? What happens to Nacho and his father? Kim is good, but I think a big part of the interest there is that everyone is waiting to see how she falls off the map. You might get that same thing with Nacho and Lalo, but they're nowhere near as important to the show. She's probably the 2nd biggest character on the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 My wife thought Kim was a bit nuts at the end of last weeks episode, then after the start of last nights it made so much more sense. It was a pretty interesting setup Gus came up with to cause the explosion/fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 5:38 PM, apuszczalowski said: Have people been disappointed with this recent season? This was on page 3 and no one talking about the last couple episodes. I just caught up watching the last 2 episodes last night. I'm not disappointed at all. I am an episode behind though and somewhat cautiously looking through this thread. Don't want to see spoilers. I feel it's right up there on the same level it has been on in past seasons. Saul's girlfriend, Kim, is one of the best parts of the show for me. We know they have to get rid of her somehow b/c she was never a part of the Breaking Bad universe. I'm sure this is creating a dilemma; the show has naturally grown to make her a major piece, yet they need to start moving her away from the storyline. I think she's more interesting than Saul himself. I have been a little frustrated with Mike's character this season. His character is kind of limited in scope and he is turning into a 1 trick pony. The strong silent type who doesn't deal with emotions very well. All of the illegal activity/drug lord stuff has been excellent this season, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 This can't possibly end well for Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 I got a good chuckle out of the Madrigal board meeting with the fake restaurant names...Luftwaffle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I've been toying with the idea of them throwing us a major curve and Kim never has the downfall we're all expecting. She was still there during Breaking Bad, but never shown. There's really no way of doing that though thanks to Omaha. I do wonder though if ultimately the brief present day storyline will bring her back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 6:00 AM, LeGOATski said: It's truly amazing that a spinoff could turn out this well... It is amazing. But I’m not surprised in the least given Gilligan, his writers, directors, cinematographers, etc. etc., could complete each other’s sentences after their years of perfecting Breaking Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Great season. Hate there's only 3 more episodes (according the the other seasons there's only 10 episodes) but after the season is done I will likely watch it again a few weeks later like I usually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 51 minutes ago, K-9 said: It is amazing. But I’m not surprised in the least given Gilligan, his writers, directors, cinematographers, etc. etc., could complete each other’s sentences after their years of perfecting Breaking Bad. I wonder how different it would be if they weren't allowed to take their time to make each season. They're not rushing out new episodes like most non-streaming shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, shrader said: I wonder how different it would be if they weren't allowed to take their time to make each season. They're not rushing out new episodes like most non-streaming shows. I suspect it wouldn’t impact their quality much at all. They produced some seasons of BB under the constant threat of non renewal by AMC and actually had to write several different plots and endings as a result. They created some great TV under intense tight time constraints. I think that pressure served them well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 43 minutes ago, K-9 said: I suspect it wouldn’t impact their quality much at all. They produced some seasons of BB under the constant threat of non renewal by AMC and actually had to write several different plots and endings as a result. They created some great TV under intense tight time constraints. I think that pressure served them well. I never watched Breaking Bad live, but I thought they had a similar schedule, at least near the end, where they had more than a year off between seasons. Am I just mixing up the last season being split in half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, shrader said: I never watched Breaking Bad live, but I thought they had a similar schedule, at least near the end, where they had more than a year off between seasons. Am I just mixing up the last season being split in half? IIRC, Breaking Bad didn’t get assurances from AMC until near the end of season three, so their time crunch was alleviated before the final couple seasons, anyway. I’ll have to find those interviews with Gilligan at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Guess 2 more episodes left for this season? Possibly setting things up for a bad ending for Kim now that Lalo knows about her? Ive been thinking that if she was going to end up in a situation where the Cartel could use her to get to Jimmy/Saul.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I don't think he's surviving this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Great epi! Reminiscent of some of the better two man episodes in BB with Walt and Jesse. Several parallels between the characters, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I really enjoyed the change of pace in that last episode. The episode reminded me what a completely unlikable character Saul is. Kim is so much better than him, and that woman (as portrayed in the show) wouldn't be with a guy like Saul in real life IMO. We all know Kim has to get out of the picture at some point, as she didn't exist in Breaking Bad... But man, I hope they don't kill her off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I really enjoyed the change of pace in that last episode. The episode reminded me what a completely unlikable character Saul is. Kim is so much better than him, and that woman (as portrayed in the show) wouldn't be with a guy like Saul in real life IMO. We all know Kim has to get out of the picture at some point, as she didn't exist in Breaking Bad... But man, I hope they don't kill her off. It seems like the 2 ways they can go would involve her being killed off, or she ends up in witness protection program. Its still possible that she does exist in BB but just never seen or mentioned after she just breaks things off with Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I really enjoyed the change of pace in that last episode. The episode reminded me what a completely unlikable character Saul is. Kim is so much better than him, and that woman (as portrayed in the show) wouldn't be with a guy like Saul in real life IMO. We all know Kim has to get out of the picture at some point, as she didn't exist in Breaking Bad... But man, I hope they don't kill her off. Hers is a very interesting character, but she's nearly as scummy as Saul is. She has no problem with slipping back into the "Gisele" character, she even encourages/ hatches some of their plots. Every single person on this show is deeply flawed, but that's a big part of what makes them interesting. Mike is pretty much a good person now (though he seems to have no compunction about killing bad guys, like stated above they're all flawed) but a lot of that seems to be trying to make up for having made choices in his younger days which allowed him to become a crooked cop and eventually get his son into a situation that got him killed. Had he been stronger in his younger days, his kid wouldn't be dead. That drives him to do everything he can for his daughter-in--law and especially his grand daughter. And yeah, that episode was good and kind of had some elements of The Fly from BB to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Nextmanup said: The episode reminded me what a completely unlikable character Saul is. Kim is so much better than him, and that woman (as portrayed in the show) wouldn't be with a guy like Saul in real life IMO. You seem to have forgotten that real life is stranger than fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 That last episode was also directed by Gilligan, he came back and this was his one episode he directed for this season. He is working on season 6 right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 56 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: That last episode was also directed by Gilligan, he came back and this was his one episode he directed for this season. He is working on season 6 right now That explains a lot of the aesthetics of the episode. Definitely had a Gilligan vibe all the way through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 20 hours ago, K-9 said: That explains a lot of the aesthetics of the episode. Definitely had a Gilligan vibe all the way through. He said that he told them he had time after finishing up the movie and they told him they had a perfect episode for him being 'Bagman'. He said he wanted to rent the lens from Lawrence of Arabia to film alot of the desert scenes and that he drew inspiration from that movie for filming the episode 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share Posted April 9, 2020 Pine Barrens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Another fantastic episode. The season finale is setting up to be awesome. I gave up trying to predict Gilligan and Co. a long time ago, I just know I’m gonna enjoy whatever he delivers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, K-9 said: Another fantastic episode. The season finale is setting up to be awesome. I gave up trying to predict Gilligan and Co. a long time ago, I just know I’m gonna enjoy whatever he delivers. I was wondering why no one had commented yet. That whole final scene had me on the edge of my chair. Kim deserves an emmy for that scene alone. She's so damn good in the show lately, which is why I've recently found myself hoping she's still alive in the Breaking Bad universe. edit: And on another note, my wife never bothered to start this show even though she loved Breaking Bad. So we started the series from the beginning last night. I've forgotten most of it at this point, so it was interesting to see how far they've all come since that first episode (and *****, I want more Tuco!). Edited April 16, 2020 by shrader 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 8 hours ago, K-9 said: Another fantastic episode. The season finale is setting up to be awesome. I gave up trying to predict Gilligan and Co. a long time ago, I just know I’m gonna enjoy whatever he delivers. just finished it. that was so intense 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 hours ago, shrader said: I was wondering why no one had commented yet. That whole final scene had me on the edge of my chair. Kim deserves an emmy for that scene alone. She's so damn good in the show lately, which is why I've recently found myself hoping she's still alive in the Breaking Bad universe. I think Kim and Lalo's story lines are going to be connected from this point. She's "in the game". Lalo seems impressed by Kim and her suggestions of money laundering and shell accounts may have set the wheels in motion. I think he's going to try to recruit her and possibly try to seduce her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, /dev/null said: I think Kim and Lalo's story lines are going to be connected from this point. She's "in the game". Lalo seems impressed by Kim and her suggestions of money laundering and shell accounts may have set the wheels in motion. I think he's going to try to recruit her and possibly try to seduce her So, you're saying she's....headed down a different road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 15 hours ago, /dev/null said: I think Kim and Lalo's story lines are going to be connected from this point. She's "in the game". Lalo seems impressed by Kim and her suggestions of money laundering and shell accounts may have set the wheels in motion. I think he's going to try to recruit her and possibly try to seduce her Maybe Saul knew about the vaccuum repairman because Kim was the first person he sent to him. Of course, it would be very tough to ever show that since Robert Forster is dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 9 hours ago, shrader said: Maybe Saul knew about the vaccuum repairman because Kim was the first person he sent to him. Of course, it would be very tough to ever show that since Robert Forster is dead. I could see them working in unused footage of phone calls with Forster. It's possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 9 hours ago, shrader said: Maybe Saul knew about the vaccuum repairman because Kim was the first person he sent to him. Of course, it would be very tough to ever show that since Robert Forster is dead. I like this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 In a universe (starting w/ BB) where almost every character has been either morally compromised or genuinely bad, Lalo may be the baddest & most menacing. Tony Dalton is fantastic. And Rhea S. should definitely get an Emmy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 The wife and I just finished the first season last night. I had forgotten so many things, but it's very interesting to see certain things knowing where the show has gone since then. The main thing that really sticks out to me is that I had completely forgotten just how much Jimmy loved and admired Chuck. And then there's flash forwards, flashbacks, and flashbacks within flashbacks. How much they're able to show and tie together within this show, it's truly amazing. On 4/17/2020 at 8:20 PM, K-9 said: I like this scenario. The flash forward scenes to Omaha have to be building towards a big payoff. I hope it's something other than getting caught. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, shrader said: The flash forward scenes to Omaha have to be building towards a big payoff. I hope it's something other than getting caught. I imagine it will be satisfying, whether it's good or bad. Gilligan has shown that he likes solid resolutions. Has anything in BB/BCS/EC ever really been left open to the viewers' imagination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 hours ago, LeGOATski said: I imagine it will be satisfying, whether it's good or bad. Gilligan has shown that he likes solid resolutions. Has anything in BB/BCS/EC ever really been left open to the viewers' imagination? EC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said: EC? El Camino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, LeGOATski said: El Camino Ahhh, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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