The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[sabrecrazed]

50 minutes ago, Magox said:

Hmmm

 

 

Yes, but Category 2 is orange and there is a bad orange man in the white house. Everybody knows that when this happens in an election year you automatically advance 3 spaces... black pandemic. Simple math really. 

[Magox]

On one hand it’s good to see that positivity rate go down, which still to this date the best metric available to gauge prevalency but the hospitalizations have slightly gone up two days in a row.  The deaths won’t begin to go down until the hospitalizations do.  I’m guessing it will start going down soon provided the positive test rates keep going down.

 

 

Edited July 22, 2020 by Magox

[Magox]

And this is encouraging as well if those can continue to decline. Next week should be very telling.

 

 

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

And this is encouraging as well if those can continue to decline. Next week should be very telling.

 

 

CA was 12K new cases today though right? That is scary

[realtruelove]

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

CA was 12K new cases today though right? That is scary

Are we sure that the positive test cases are absolutely 100% COVID-19 or are they ANY variation of the coronaviruses?

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, realtruelove said:

Are we sure that the positive test cases are absolutely 100% COVID-19 or are they ANY variation of the coronaviruses?

dont, but trust Worldometer to be using same sources , so same to same comparison

[Beast]

Tennessee man tests positive though he has never been tested.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/nashville-man-told-by-state-hes-positive-for-coronavirus-he-was-never-tested?al_applink_data={"target_url"%3A"https%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.dailywire.com\%2Fnews\%2Fnashville-man-told-by-state-hes-positive-for-coronavirus-he-was-never-tested%3Fitm_source%3Dparsely-api\u00253Futm_source\u00253Dcnemail%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_content%3D072220-news%26utm_campaign%3Dposition2"%2C"extras"%3A[]%2C"referer_app_link"%3A{"url"%3A"fb%3A\%2F\%2F\%2F"%2C"app_name"%3A"Facebook"}}

 

And people wonder why some aren’t buying into what they are being force fed.

[keepthefaith]

6 minutes ago, realtruelove said:

Are we sure that the positive test cases are absolutely 100% COVID-19 or are they ANY variation of the coronaviruses?

 

Good question.  Neighbors or ours tested Friday and got results Monday, Positive.  Tested again Tuesday with results today different test method and were negative.  Both of them husband and wife. They aren't sick at all and I have a hard time believing that in that 4 day window (more like 3.5 days) they hit it just right for thing to disappear from their bodies. 

Edited July 23, 2020 by keepthefaith

[123719bwiqrb]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Tennessee man tests positive though he has never been tested.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/nashville-man-told-by-state-hes-positive-for-coronavirus-he-was-never-tested?al_applink_data={"target_url"%3A"https%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.dailywire.com\%2Fnews\%2Fnashville-man-told-by-state-hes-positive-for-coronavirus-he-was-never-tested%3Fitm_source%3Dparsely-api\u00253Futm_source\u00253Dcnemail%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_content%3D072220-news%26utm_campaign%3Dposition2"%2C"extras"%3A[]%2C"referer_app_link"%3A{"url"%3A"fb%3A\%2F\%2F\%2F"%2C"app_name"%3A"Facebook"}}

 

And people wonder why some aren’t buying into what they are being force fed.

 

It gets explained away as just tiny anomalies.  I have read a few.  I've learned to trust only CNN when it comes to this virus.

[Beast]

Just now, 123719bwiqrb said:

 

It gets explained away as just tiny anomalies.  I have read a few.  I've learned to trust only CNN when it comes to this virus.

No doubt.

 

What happened in Florida was just a tiny error. 
 

Trust us.

[realtruelove]

I really enjoy this thread mostly because of the intelligent dialog and the healthy exchange of ideas and search of the truth.   It should always be a search for the truth.

[3rdnlng]

A reasoned voice:

 

 

Mike Rowe

 

 

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Mike. In a recent post, you said you’ve been to Tennessee and Georgia, giving speeches and filming for your new show. Before that, you were on the road shooting for Dirty Jobs. Is it really so important to film a television show in the midst of pandemic? Is it responsible of you to encourage this kind of behavior when infection rates are spiking? Don’t you watch the news? More and more cases every day – aren’t you concerned?

Darlene Gabon

Hi Darlene

Of course, I’m concerned. I’m just not petrified.

On March 15th, the day after my part of the country was locked down, I posted a link to an interview with Dr. Michael Osterholm. I’m posting it again, because I believe you and everyone else in the country would benefit from listening carefully to what he has to say. https://bit.ly/2WLOM6o

Dr. Osterholm is the Director of Infectious Disease Research and Policy. This is the same epidemiologist who ten years ago, predicted a coronavirus would come from China and turn our country upside down. In his book “Deadliest Enemies,” he described the utterly irresponsible way in which the media would report on the situation, the completely opportunistic and shamelessly political way our leaders would likely react, and the unprecedented chaos and confusion that would arise from all the mixed messages from the medical community. His resume is unexampled, https://bit.ly/2WCwqou, and his analysis of the situation is the most logical and persuasive of any I’d heard so far. He’s also the only expert I know of who hasn’t walked back his numbers, reconsidered his position, or moved the goalposts with regard to what we must do, what we can do, and what he expects to happen next. I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm also predicted that we could easily see 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”

It took me a few weeks to accept this scenario, because 480,000 fatalities is a frightening number, and lot of other experts were saying lots of conflicting things. But eventually, I came to the conclusion that Dr. Osterholm was probably correct, and quickly navigated the four stages of grief that usually precede acceptance – denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. By late April, I had come to accept Dr. Osterholm’s predictions as a matter of fact. Since then, I’ve had three full months to come to terms with the fact that, a) I am probably going to get COVID-19 at some point, b), I am almost certainly going to survive it, and c), I might very well give it to someone else.

I hope that doesn’t sound blasé, or glib, or fatalistic, or selfish. Four-hundred eighty thousand deaths is an obvious tragedy, and I’m deeply sympathetic to all who have been impacted thus far. I’m also very concerned for my parents, and everyone else in a high risk category. But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed, but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that “flattening the curve” and eliminating the virus have nothing to do with each other, I believe him.

Thus, for the last three months, I’ve been operating from the assumption that this is a year-round virus that’s eventually going to infect 100 million people and kill roughly 1/2 of one percent of those infected. I’ve gotten used to those numbers in much the same way I’ve gotten used to the fact that 40,000 people will likely die on the highways this year. That’s why I’m not panicked or surprised by tens of thousands of daily COVID cases; I’ve been expecting them. Unfortunately, many others have not. Every day, millions of people watch the same breathless coverage by the same breathless journalists, who seem determined to do all they can to foster uncertainty. And so, millions of people are still paralyzed by fear, because they haven’t been given a chance to digest the truth, (or, what I believe to be the truth.) Fact is, we can accept almost anything if we’re given the facts, and enough time to get our heads around them. But if we don’t have an understanding of what’s really happening, we simply can’t get past denial and bargaining, where so many seem to be stuck, understandably so.

Imagine for a moment you had no idea how many people would die in car accidents this year. Now, imagine that every single accident – over six million a year in the US alone – were reported on the same way that every new COVID case is reported today. Imagine every day you were told in hysterical tones, that another 16,000 accidents had occurred, resulting in another 90 deaths per day. What would that do to your willingness to drive? Six million accidents is a lot of accidents, and 40,000 annual fatalities is a lot of death – especially if you don’t know how high that number could get. But we DO know the dangers of driving, and we’ve accepted those numbers. Consequently, we’re able to make a grown-up decision about whether or not we want to assume the associated risk of operating a motor vehicle.

Again, don’t misunderstand. I’m not ignoring COVID, and I’m not pretending the risks at hand aren’t real. I don’t want to get this disease and give it to someone else, any more than I want to be in a car wreck and hurt someone else. So, I take precautions. I get tested often. If I can’t distance, I wear a mask – especially around higher risk people. I also wear a seatbelt, obey the speed limits, and check my mirrors before changing lanes. I’m aware that we’d all be a lot safer if we kept our cars in the garage. I’m also aware we’d be a lot safer if we all kept ourselves in the house. But that’s not why cars, or people, exist.

Anyway Darlene, that’s a long way of saying that I have accepted Dr. Osterholm’s numbers, and now, after three months of acceptance, I’ve made a decision on how I wish to live my life. Sooner or later, you will too. We all will.

Mike

[Hedge]

From a few days ago, in Ventura CA:

 

 

https://www.apartments.com/the-palms-apartments-ventura-ca/vrk8wye/

[Big Blitz]

Yep.  Tell me how significant the difference is between California and Texas?  

 

Problem always was they all happened at the same time.  After that 15 days, every state outside the Northeast should have been open.  

 

Trust would have been maintained.  That alone would have had a bigger impact and generated further compliance.  But nope.  

 

It's an election year!!

 

Rand Paul: Lockdowns Were A ‘Big Mistake’

 

..  As states continue reopening, Paul said that individuals should be assessing their own risk and acting accordingly.

 

“We need to put it in context [that] under age 45, this disease [COVID-19] we’re looking at is less dangerous than the seasonal flu,” Paul said. “Above age 45, it’s more dangerous than the seasonal flu. If you’re in your 80s and you’re in a nursing home, we need to do all kinds of things to try to protect you, but I don’t think that involves shutting down the economy. I think that involves other precautions...”

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/rand-paul-lockdowns-were-a-big-mistake

Edited July 23, 2020 by Big Blitz

[ALF]

US deaths during coronavirus outbreak period were 179K higher than usual: report

That number is 45,000 higher than the confirmed coronavirus death count for that period

 

The New York Times analyzed estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and determined that more than 179,500 people have died than usual from March 15 to July 11.

 

Excess deaths are the difference between observed numbers of deaths and expected numbers, according to the CDC.

 

While most of the excess deaths were likely due to the coronavirus, rising fatalities from other causes may also be playing a part, according to the report. Hospitals have been overwhelmed in certain hot spots and some people may be fearful to seek help with certain ailments separate from COVID-19.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-deaths-during-coronavirus-outbreak-period-were-179k-higher-usual-report

[Doc Brown]

18 minutes ago, ALF said:

US deaths during coronavirus outbreak period were 179K higher than usual: report

That number is 45,000 higher than the confirmed coronavirus death count for that period

 

The New York Times analyzed estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and determined that more than 179,500 people have died than usual from March 15 to July 11.

 

Excess deaths are the difference between observed numbers of deaths and expected numbers, according to the CDC.

 

While most of the excess deaths were likely due to the coronavirus, rising fatalities from other causes may also be playing a part, according to the report. Hospitals have been overwhelmed in certain hot spots and some people may be fearful to seek help with certain ailments separate from COVID-19.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-deaths-during-coronavirus-outbreak-period-were-179k-higher-usual-report

Not surprised.  Every pandemic in history has likely been under counted.  

[shoshin]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Not surprised.  Every pandemic in history has likely been under counted.  

 

The increased deaths have been noted in a few places. Uphill battle trying to convince people here. 

 

 

 

[Reality Check]

34 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

The increased deaths have been noted in a few places. Uphill battle trying to convince people here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's because your propaganda is weak.

 

You have one agenda, and it is weak.

 

A year from now, I doubt that you will have the nerve to defend your BS spread across over 1000 pages of maybe maybe maybe, but do what the government tells you because you need to be afraid.

 

Say what you will, but it will continue to be predictable and rooted in seeding more fear for the purpose of scaring people into taking a vaccine that will simply not work.

 

Cue the anti-science drivel from Mr. "I still Don't know what's going on after all of this time".

 

With all the fat bastards at the supermarkets and fast food chains stuffing their faces with crap and industrial strength poison, I am supposed to believe that we destroyed our country and terrorized everybody everyday over the protection of people's health.

 

If you're eating and drinking that poison, and insist that everyone wears a mask for your health, then I say f*** you.

 

C you next week for when I need an update on whatever BS corporate America is spoon feeding the sheep.

 

I know I can find it here.

 

 

 

 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

23 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

 

 

 

 

You were more fun when you posted videos of chimps slinging shyt. 

[Reality Check]

13 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

You were more fun when you posted videos of chimps slinging shyt. 

 

Shut up and do what you are told. Cuomo said so...