The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[shoshin]

3 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

There's at least a 3rd group. Some young people are having strokes and blood clots even if they didn't have a serious case. It appears that the circulatory system is a target of the virus.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/

 

 

See group 2. 

[Troll Toll]

15 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Which kinds of elective surgeries, if not performed, lead to death?

 

I know 3 people currently undergoing cancer treatments at Sloan-Kettering in NYC. None of them has had an appointment postponed, so it's tough for me to believe patients are missing treatments unless patients are too scared to go.

My mom was supposed to undergo a stem cell treatment for her cancer, but it has been indefinitely postponed due to COVID. Worse yet, she was diagnosed last summer and turned 65 (MediCare) and so this is additionally jeopardizing the treatment in the following ways:

1) She was on COBRA coverage that covered the treatment and due to the delay may roll off into some Medicare plan that doesn’t cover it. (this is highly likely)

2) At a certain point, you are no longer a candidate for the treatment, so her condition may worsen too much while they arbitrarily wait to reopen things.

Edited May 3, 2020 by Troll Toll

[Kemp]

14 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

See group 2. 

 

I view that as a distinctly different group.

14 minutes ago, Troll Toll said:

My mom was supposed to undergo a stem cell treatment for her cancer, but it has been indefinitely postponed due to COVID. Worse yet, she was diagnosed last summer and turned 65 (MediCare) and so this is additionally jeopardizing the treatment in the following ways:

1) She was on COBRA coverage that covered the treatment and due to the delay may roll off into some Medicare plan that doesn’t cover it. (this is highly likely)

2) At a certain point, you are no longer a candidate for the treatment, so her condition may worsen too much while they arbitrarily wait to reopen things.

 

I have to assume she opted for one of the lower level coverages with cheaper monthly rates. That doesn't justify the situation, but rather points to a hole in medical coverage in America..

 

Sorry about your situation. 

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

Do you think we should not try to minimize deaths of the group of people most affected by this?

 

We have two groups of people in the US right now: (1) Those that will not be affected by this almost at all or will just get an illness they can manage with OTC meds, and (2) Those that will end up in the hospital and die. We need to let the people in (1) get back to work in a reasonable way to minimize spread to the people in group (2), and for those in group (2), we need to take better care of them. 

 

 

 

 

no absolutely everything within reason should be done to protect everyone, including high risk. But if we say everyone in that above is high risk, we ain't ever go back outside, let alone to work, restaurants etc.

 

To me, it is incumbent on society to do as best we can, which does not mean it will be 100% effective, at  securing our nursing homes as best we can. But we also need to be realistic. I cant speak or cite any stats other than what i know to be true in Henrico county..where I live outside of Richmond. 96 dead from Covid. Of that number, 54 in one nursing home about 2 miles from me, another 11 in a nursing home about 11 miles me. So that is over 2/3rds of deaths have come in a nursing home environment. From most studies I have read, average length of stay in a nursing home is 5 months until death...and prolly that number goes down in facilities that are state run, as both of those homes were I referenced.

 

My point being i do not think we can as a nation of 300+M stay inside and crater an economy for generations to come based solely on how this virus is affecting those at end of life. 

 

I mean when does the "greater good" come into the conversation? 

[shoshin]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

no absolutely everything within reason should be done to protect everyone, including high risk. But if we say everyone in that above is high risk, we ain't ever go back outside, let alone to work, restaurants etc.

 

To me, it is incumbent on society to do as best we can, which does not mean it will be 100% effective, at  securing our nursing homes as best we can. But we also need to be realistic. I cant speak or cite any stats other than what i know to be true in Henrico county..where I live outside of Richmond. 96 dead from Covid. Of that number, 54 in one nursing home about 2 miles from me, another 11 in a nursing home about 11 miles me. So that is over 2/3rds of deaths have come in a nursing home environment. From most studies I have read, average length of stay in a nursing home is 5 months until death...and prolly that number goes down in facilities that are state run, as both of those homes were I referenced.

 

My point being i do not think we can as a nation of 300+M stay inside and crater an economy for generations to come based solely on how this virus is affecting those at end of life. 

 

I mean when does the "greater good" come into the conversation? 

That is why I noted group 1. We should be back to work for that group, but with them taking Reasonable precautions (staying home where work can be done remotely, wearing masks, closing common areas, etc). The plans are out there. 
 

The reopening will cause a death spike. My point is that we can’t lose sight of the hospitalization use and also controlling that spike as best we reasonably can.  

[Troll Toll]

5 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

I view that as a distinctly different group.

 

I have to assume she opted for one of the lower level coverages with cheaper monthly rates. That doesn't justify the situation, but rather points to a hole in medical coverage in America..

 

Sorry about your situation. 

No, the doctors have said she is currently on one of the only plans that covers the treatment (the COBRA plan from where she worked is a really good plan). Medicare limits your options for coverage significantly, so she may not be able to get on a plan that will cover it. It is a double whammy with the government forcing the shutdown and extending it long enough until they can force her to have to use Medicare. She also HAS to be on one of the better Medicare plans because her chemo drugs cost $15000 a month. Those drugs are generally covered under non-Medicare plans for $60 a month.

 

[Kemp]

1 minute ago, Troll Toll said:

No, the doctors have said she is currently on one of the only plans that covers the treatment (the COBRA plan from where she worked is a really good plan). Medicare limits your options for coverage significantly, so she may not be able to get on a plan that will cover it. It is a double whammy with the government forcing the shutdown and extending it long enough until they can force her to have to use Medicare. She also HAS to be on one of the better Medicare plans because her chemo drugs cost $15000 a month. Those drugs are generally covered under non-Medicare plans for $60 a month.

 

 

I'm really surprised that Medicare won't cover it and I'm unsure what Covid has to do with it, but I still feel sorry for you. My wife is dying from cancer, so I understand what you're going through.

[dubs]

2 minutes ago, shoshin said:

That is why I noted group 1. We should be back to work for that group, but with them taking Reasonable precautions (staying home where work can be done remotely, wearing masks, closing common areas, etc). The plans are out there. 
 

The reopening will cause a death spike. My point is that we can’t lose sight of the hospitalization use and also controlling that spike as best we reasonably can.  

reopening will cause a death spike in car accidents also. 
 

point is, we have to get back to it. There really is no debate about this anymore. Taking reasonable precautions is fine and a good idea, but we have to err on the side of individual freedom and choices. 

[Kemp]

Just now, dubs said:

reopening will cause a death spike in car accidents also. 
 

point is, we have to get back to it. There really is no debate about this anymore. Taking reasonable precautions is fine and a good idea, but we have to err on the side of individual freedom and choices. 

 

That's fine, but then you have to enforce the rules that people wear masks in public, otherwise you are removing the freedom of choice of those in high-risk groups that don't want to be confined to their homes.

[Tiberius]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I know most of you won't take this seriously because of your flawed weatherman logic. "Look at the source! They got _________ wrong!"

 

82 Administration officials, outside advisers and other experts with direct knowledge of the White House's handling of the pandemic seems pretty hard to completely dismiss.

 

 

So many issues, but too many of you will just dismiss the reporting as baseless...

 

But...

 

I will ask this of the folks over here based on your wild mistrust of MSM, which I recently learned from you is "mainstream media:"

 

Why the ***** do you so adamantly back a President who has Fox News hosts like Laura Ingraham to the White House late at night with her own handpicked guests in tow to push controversial drugs like hydroxychloroquine, which has, at the VERY least, been found to be significantly more dangerous than the President's initial "what do you have to lose?" attitude in terms of trying it.

 

There's just way too much cognitive dissonance over here in the extreme mistrust of mainstream media while Donald Trump uses some of its most controversial, narcissistic and frankly idiotic members (Hannity) as some of his closest advisers to ultimately guide his own policy, which has VERY clearly been happening for years now, just as it continued immediately after his late night White House visit from Ingraham.

Several reasons. There is a demographic transformation taking place in the country and the MSM has embraced it, because 1, it’s going to happen, and 2 the media needs customers (viewers) so it presents people, arguments and issues that appeal to this diverse spectrum of Americans. Many rural, racist and afraid of change Americans “This isn’t the country I grew up in” see it as a plot or something and turn to voices that they feel are defending them against the wave of change. Why else would a normal person follow a complete blow hard, idiot like Trump? Fear of the future as the older generation sees blue hair, dark skin and people being themselves and feel they are losing control, which they are  

 

 

[Tiberius]

38 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

no absolutely everything within reason should be done to protect everyone, including high risk. But if we say everyone in that above is high risk, we ain't ever go back outside, let alone to work, restaurants etc.

 

To me, it is incumbent on society to do as best we can, which does not mean it will be 100% effective, at  securing our nursing homes as best we can. But we also need to be realistic. I cant speak or cite any stats other than what i know to be true in Henrico county..where I live outside of Richmond. 96 dead from Covid. Of that number, 54 in one nursing home about 2 miles from me, another 11 in a nursing home about 11 miles me. So that is over 2/3rds of deaths have come in a nursing home environment. From most studies I have read, average length of stay in a nursing home is 5 months until death...and prolly that number goes down in facilities that are state run, as both of those homes were I referenced.

 

My point being i do not think we can as a nation of 300+M stay inside and crater an economy for generations to come based solely on how this virus is affecting those at end of life. 

 

I mean when does the "greater good" come into the conversation? 

There is going to have to be opening up with many limitations. Restaurants with limited capacity, no sporting events with fans, all schools and universities will have to be online next year I would imagine,. 

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Several reasons. There is a demographic transformation taking place in the country and the MSM has embraced it, because 1, it’s going to happen, and 2 the media needs customers (viewers) so it presents people, arguments and issues that appeal to this diverse spectrum of Americans. Many rural, racist and afraid of change Americans “This isn’t the country I grew up in” see it as a plot or something and turn to voices that they feel are defending them against the wave of change. Why else would a normal person follow a complete blow hard, idiot like Trump? Fear of the future as the older generation sees blue hair, dark skin and people being themselves and feel they are losing control, which they are  

 

 

Nice little speech there Tibs....but you’re Freudian slip into some rainbow coalition nonsense is showing through. You may want to adjust your skirt. Americans aren’t concerned or afraid of diversity. This is the most diverse country in the history of civilization. They’re concerned about the never ending drumbeat for a nanny state. They want to be left alone to make their own way in life. They don’t want the village to raise their damn children! They want to do it themselves! 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Nice little speech there Tibs....but you’re Freudian slip into some rainbow coalition nonsense is showing through. You may want to adjust your skirt. Americans aren’t concerned or afraid of diversity. This is the most diverse country in the history of civilization. They’re concerned about the never ending drumbeat for a nanny state. They want to be left alone to make their own way in life. They don’t want the village to raise their damn children! They want to do it themselves! 

What’s the building the wall all about? Exactly what I said. 

 

I wonder what percentage of Trump supporters get their primary income and health care from that nanny state they don’t want others to benefit from? 

[Chef Jim]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I know most of you won't take this seriously because of your flawed weatherman logic. "Look at the source! They got _________ wrong!"

 

82 Administration officials, outside advisers and other experts with direct knowledge of the White House's handling of the pandemic seems pretty hard to completely dismiss.

 

 

So many issues, but too many of you will just dismiss the reporting as baseless...

 

But...

 

I will ask this of the folks over here based on your wild mistrust of MSM, which I recently learned from you is "mainstream media:"

 

Why the ***** do you so adamantly back a President who has Fox News hosts like Laura Ingraham to the White House late at night with her own handpicked guests in tow to push controversial drugs like hydroxychloroquine, which has, at the VERY least, been found to be significantly more dangerous than the President's initial "what do you have to lose?" attitude in terms of trying it.

 

There's just way too much cognitive dissonance over here in the extreme mistrust of mainstream media while Donald Trump uses some of its most controversial, narcissistic and frankly idiotic members (Hannity) as some of his closest advisers to ultimately guide his own policy, which has VERY clearly been happening for years now, just as it continued immediately after his late night White House visit from Ingraham.

I have to ask. Have you posted ANYTHING in this thread, a thread about the most serious pandemic in 100 years, that wasn’t about Trump?  Just in case you weren’t aware that’s what this thread is about. The pandemic not Trump. This says a awful lot about how you, and the few others that post the same way here, go through life. Using the blame game. Sad. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Tiberius said:

What’s the building the wall all about? Exactly what I said. 

 

I wonder what percentage of Trump supporters get their primary income and health care from that nanny state they don’t want others to benefit from? 

You clearly don’t live in a diverse area of the country Tibs. I wonder if you’re willing to tell us. I live in Southern California, where we have millions of your so called ‘brown’ people. Nobody cares about their skin color. Nobody! But people still want the wall, because they want some level of social order. You’re more than welcome to visit.

[Kemp]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Nice little speech there Tibs....but you’re Freudian slip into some rainbow coalition nonsense is showing through. You may want to adjust your skirt. Americans aren’t concerned or afraid of diversity. This is the most diverse country in the history of civilization. They’re concerned about the never ending drumbeat for a nanny state. They want to be left alone to make their own way in life. They don’t want the village to raise their damn children! They want to do it themselves! 

 

Exactly who is stopping you from making your own way in life?

 

While you may embrace diversity, there are more than a few who fear it.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Kemp said:

 

Exactly who is stopping you from making your own way in life?

 

While you may embrace diversity, there are more than a few who fear it.

Ha! Let me quote your savior: ‘You didn’t build that.’ Or your Queen: ‘It takes a village.’ Or your village idiot: ‘They’re not paying their fair share.’

Do I need to go on?

 

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

Exactly who is stopping you from making your own way in life?

 

While you may embrace diversity, there are more than a few who fear it.

Commies always need to spew this kind of crap.  But once in power, NOBODY makes their own way in life.

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Exactly who is stopping you from making your own way in life?

 

While you may embrace diversity, there are more than a few who fear it.

And there always will be. What’s your point and what do you suggest be done about it. 

Edited May 3, 2020 by Chef Jim

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Kemp said:

While you may embrace diversity, there are more than a few who fear it.

Oh brother. Yes, we know, everyone’s a racist. Yawn. The 1950s is calling. It wants its social policy back. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I know most of you won't take this seriously because of your flawed weatherman logic. "Look at the source! They got _________ wrong!"

 

82 Administration officials, outside advisers and other experts with direct knowledge of the White House's handling of the pandemic seems pretty hard to completely dismiss.

 

 

So many issues, but too many of you will just dismiss the reporting as baseless...

 

But...

 

I will ask this of the folks over here based on your wild mistrust of MSM, which I recently learned from you is "mainstream media:"

 

Why the ***** do you so adamantly back a President who has Fox News hosts like Laura Ingraham to the White House late at night with her own handpicked guests in tow to push controversial drugs like hydroxychloroquine, which has, at the VERY least, been found to be significantly more dangerous than the President's initial "what do you have to lose?" attitude in terms of trying it.

 

There's just way too much cognitive dissonance over here in the extreme mistrust of mainstream media while Donald Trump uses some of its most controversial, narcissistic and frankly idiotic members (Hannity) as some of his closest advisers to ultimately guide his own policy, which has VERY clearly been happening for years now, just as it continued immediately after his late night White House visit from Ingraham.

Your Hannity fixation notwithstanding, I believe the record will show he was accurate on the Benghazi cover up, on the Trump election and HRCs and DNC shenanigans on Sanders 2016, Russia investigation, partisanship impact on Mueller investigation and the eventual outcome of the probe, corruption at the top of the FBI, surveillance on American citizens, FISA abuse, and it would appear the sustained effort to entrap and coerce Michael Flynn. 
 

By contrast the WaPo has msm awards for inaccurate reporting, but yeah, 82 sources.  That’s way more than they had for Russia. Or not.

 

Why do you like reading these op-eds with all the inflammatory rhetoric?  They just seem to get you all worked up.
 

 

[4merper4mer]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And there always will be. What’s your point? 

His point is the same as it is with all political topics:

 

Solution: Communize.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Troll Toll said:

My mom was supposed to undergo a stem cell treatment for her cancer, but it has been indefinitely postponed due to COVID. Worse yet, she was diagnosed last summer and turned 65 (MediCare) and so this is additionally jeopardizing the treatment in the following ways:

1) She was on COBRA coverage that covered the treatment and due to the delay may roll off into some Medicare plan that doesn’t cover it. (this is highly likely)

2) At a certain point, you are no longer a candidate for the treatment, so her condition may worsen too much while they arbitrarily wait to reopen things.

All the best to your motherTT.  

[Kemp]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ha! Let me quote your savior: ‘You didn’t build that.’ Or your Queen: ‘It takes a village.’ Or your village idiot: ‘They’re not paying their fair share.’

Do I need to go on?

 

 

You don't need to go on. You need to say who or what is impeding your life. 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

19 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

There is going to have to be opening up with many limitations. Restaurants with limited capacity, no sporting events with fans, all schools and universities will have to be online next year I would imagine,. 

But that aint opening it, it is trying to middle it, which IMHO, will only prolong the inevitable. As I have said , I 100% support the decisions that have been to date in terms of closing etc based on the data that was avaialble then. But new data is suggesting a change in approach is needed and warranted. 

 

BTW, i am no expert, but I suggest @Chef Jim could weigh in on just how many restaurants can survive at 50% of capacity, same with so many businesses, including universities. Who gunna pay the rent? The company thats owns the building, how they gunna pay their bills? They go out of business, how their employees gunna eat?

 

Death rate gunna go up? Yep, no doubt. To levels that one would think is worth abandoning our way of life and people like me seeing their retirement go up in smoke? No freaking way.

 

If we want to do the above as you suggest, lets not middle it and just shut down the whole shooting match for 3 weeks. Give everyone two days to gather essential food items and medical supplies, then dont allow anyone outside except for health care workers.

 

Not sure where you live, but in Richmond VA yesterday..a state supposedly in a strict lockdown, every freaking store was packed yesterday  not just grocery stores, but the mattress store, the granite counter store, the foot insert place, the nurseries were vertible hot spots so crowded.

 

Lets just stop the pretence of being locked down and get on with it

 

 

[Kemp]

10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Commies always need to spew this kind of crap.  But once in power, NOBODY makes their own way in life.

 

Nobody makes their own way in life in America?

 

What an odd opinion. 

[4merper4mer]

Just now, Kemp said:

 

Nobody makes their own way in life in America?

 

What an odd opinion. 

Not in the future America envisioned by Commies.

[Kemp]

9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And there always will be. What’s your point and what do you suggest be done about it. 

 

My point was pretty clear. It was a response to the statement that no one in America is against diversity.

[billsfan1959]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oh brother. Yes, we know, everyone’s a racist. Yawn. The 1950s is calling. It wants its social policy back. 

 

I believe his social policy is more akin to late 1930's Germany. Self-appointed intellectual and moral superiority, accompanied by irrational hatred of those who don't  fit his vision of a perfect society...

 

Edited May 3, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

You don't need to go on. You need to say who or what is impeding your life. 

 

 

I’ll tell you when I get back from the beach...oh wait. 

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

But that aint opening it, it is trying to middle it, which IMHO, will only prolong the inevitable. As I have said , I 100% support the decisions that have been to date in terms of closing etc based on the data that was avaialble then. But new data is suggesting a change in approach is needed and warranted. 

 

BTW, i am no expert, but I suggest @Chef Jim could weigh in on just how many restaurants can survive at 50% of capacity, same with so many businesses, including universities. Who gunna pay the rent? The company thats owns the building, how they gunna pay their bills? They go out of business, how their employees gunna eat?

 

Death rate gunna go up? Yep, no doubt. To levels that one would think is worth abandoning our way of life and people like me seeing their retirement go up in smoke? No freaking way.

 

If we want to do the above as you suggest, lets not middle it and just shut down the whole shooting match for 3 weeks. Give everyone two days to gather essential food items and medical supplies, then dont allow anyone outside except for health care workers.

 

Not sure where you live, but in Richmond VA yesterday..a state supposedly in a strict lockdown, every freaking store was packed yesterday  not just grocery stores, but the mattress store, the granite counter store, the foot insert place, the nurseries were vertible hot spots so crowded.

 

Lets just stop the pretence of being locked down and get on with it

 

 

  I went by a Lowe's yesterday and never saw so many vehicles in that parking lot on a Saturday afternoon.

[Kemp]

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oh brother. Yes, we know, everyone’s a racist. Yawn. The 1950s is calling. It wants its social policy back. 

 

Did I say everyone is a racist, but please don't tell me there are no racists.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

My point was pretty clear. It was a response to the statement that no one in America is against diversity.

I never said that nobody is against diversity. This is a country of 330 million people. But it’s not the common thread that motivates Trump supporters. Until you understand that. You have ZERO chance of defeating him.

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

But that aint opening it, it is trying to middle it, which IMHO, will only prolong the inevitable. As I have said , I 100% support the decisions that have been to date in terms of closing etc based on the data that was avaialble then. But new data is suggesting a change in approach is needed and warranted. 

 

BTW, i am no expert, but I suggest @Chef Jim could weigh in on just how many restaurants can survive at 50% of capacity, same with so many businesses, including universities. Who gunna pay the rent? The company thats owns the building, how they gunna pay their bills? They go out of business, how their employees gunna eat?

 

Death rate gunna go up? Yep, no doubt. To levels that one would think is worth abandoning our way of life and people like me seeing their retirement go up in smoke? No freaking way.

 

If we want to do the above as you suggest, lets not middle it and just shut down the whole shooting match for 3 weeks. Give everyone two days to gather essential food items and medical supplies, then dont allow anyone outside except for health care workers.

 

Not sure where you live, but in Richmond VA yesterday..a state supposedly in a strict lockdown, every freaking store was packed yesterday  not just grocery stores, but the mattress store, the granite counter store, the foot insert place, the nurseries were vertible hot spots so crowded.

 

Lets just stop the pretence of being locked down and get on with it

 

 

95% of restaurants fail in the first year in the best of times.   I mentioned yesterday we went to Palm Springs and it was surreal to see all these closed business and no cars parked in a normally packed downtown Palm Springs.  Many people that have put their life’s savings, blood sweat and tears into their business (Not just restaurants) are going to lose everything. It will be very interesting to see how history treats this whole thing. 

[4merper4mer]

4 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Did I say everyone is a racist, but please don't tell me there are no racists.

If even one racist remains we must communize.

Just now, Chef Jim said:

95% of restaurants fail in the first year in the best of times.   I mentioned yesterday we went to Palm Springs and it was surreal to see all these closed business and no cars parked in a normally packed downtown Palm Springs.  Many people that have put their life’s savings, blood sweat and tears into their business (Not just restaurants) are going to lose everything. It will be very interesting to see how history treats this whole thing. 

Don't worry, the commies will save them.

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

My point was pretty clear. It was a response to the statement that no one in America is against diversity.

You made a point to an imaginary statement.  That’s awesome! 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Did I say everyone is a racist, but please don't tell me there are no racists.

I never said there weren’t racists. That’s part of human nature. It’s the way the species is built. People tend to be tribal. They stick with groups that look like them. So? What I said was that this is by far the most diverse society in the history of the world! You’re beating a drum that’s been played to death. But go ahead...keep beating it if it helps you rationalize your current status in life. I’m sure you were wronged by someone, somewhere at sometime...get in line dude!

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I went by a Lowe's yesterday and never saw so many vehicles in that parking lot on a Saturday afternoon.

 

Since I have been working on a number projects around the house, I have been making regular trips to Lowe's and Home Depot down here in NC. They have been packed during this entire lockdown - with, literally, thousands going through the stores every day. You would never know a lockdown was in place.

[Kemp]

33 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

"Americans aren’t concerned or afraid of diversity"

 

I didn't say all were but some are, contrary to your quoted statement. I thought everyone understood that. 

[RochesterRob]

39 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

There is going to have to be opening up with many limitations. Restaurants with limited capacity, no sporting events with fans, all schools and universities will have to be online next year I would imagine,. 

  Restaurants are as such that they need full occupancy at various times to be profitable.  Delivery/takeout is not going to solve the financial woes of a fair number of establishments.  Universities dealt with the restrictions imposed for the soon to end current semester.  They need to be open to be able to conduct labs for a number of courses with a fair number not being scientific in nature.  Many people employed at universities such as in food services that will lose their jobs and not have an income if a college goes to exclusively online.