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The Astros should forfeit their titles like they do in College sports. For the owner to say this scandal and punishment doesn't tarnish 2017, etc., only shows he should have been suspended/banned as well

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1 minute ago, BuffaloBillies said:

 

Same thing is true for 2017 (led in all 4 categories). Boston led all 4 in 2018.

 

I mean - They have a really good lineup of players.  The Astros splits in 2017 suggest they were better at hitting on the road vs. at home.  

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11 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

To be fair, the Astros aren't really the MLB cash cow and premier team like the Pats. Now if this was the Yankees accused of this, I'm sure it would have been swept under the rug just like the Pats and the NFL.

 

I'm not surprised they were fired for this, but we're they the ones fully responsible? Did the owner know what was going on and encouraged it or just turn a blind eye to it? Also weren't the Astros just in trouble recently for providing or forging false medical records for players in trades? They also recently fired one of their other front office guys this offseason after comments he made to female reporters in the locker room  who were known to be against the team getting the former Jays closer who was suspended for beating his girlfriend/wife


To be fair, MLB banned, and continues to keep Pete Rose away from the game.

 

Arguably the greatest hitter of all time.

 

MLB doesn’t care what team, player, manager, whatever......

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2 minutes ago, H2o said:

If they got a Lombardi then Kraft could care less how ethical it may be. He'd get them a year membership to the local Asian "massage parlor" of their choice during their suspension. 

 

 

 

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Astros having to forfeit upcoming first and second round draft choices...does that mean they go to the Patriots?

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1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said:

Yup, and the Astros got a WS championship out of this but I think their owner was under more pressure after the other recent incidences they have had

 

The difference in the leagues seems to be in how the other owners feel about this.  In the MLB, where teams pretty much have to make their own money--they are obviously steamed and forced the Astros owner to fire these guys.

 

In the NFL, you hardly heard a peep out of any of the owners.

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Just now, Binghamton Beast said:


To be fair, MLB banned, and continues to keep Pete Rose away from the game.

 

Arguably the greatest hitter of all time.

 

MLB doesn’t care what team, player, manager, whatever......

That's one player from decades ago, who has had chances to be let back in if he would admit to it and apologize IIRC and he has refused to do so, then he also had an issue not to long ago come out regarding and underage girl IIRC. And he played for the Reds, also not one of the league's premier franchises.....

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If we’re making disingenuous comparisons across corporations that couldn’t be more different other than that they’re both entertainment industries, let’s not forget that MLB ignored a decade long scandal that almost crippled its business and handled the fallout of damage control in one of the worst possible ways.

 

MLB isn’t a model for the NFL.

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4 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

That's one player from decades ago, who has had chances to be let back in if he would admit to it and apologize IIRC and he has refused to do so, then he also had an issue not to long ago come out regarding and underage girl IIRC. And he played for the Reds, also not one of the league's premier franchises.....


Pete Rose

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6 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I mean - They have a really good lineup of players.  The Astros splits in 2017 suggest they were better at hitting on the road vs. at home.  

 

True... but cloud of suspicion regardless.

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Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

The difference in the leagues seems to be in how the other owners feel about this.  In the MLB, where teams pretty much have to make their own money--they are obviously steamed and forced the Astros owner to fire these guys.

 

In the NFL, you hardly heard a peep out of any of the owners.

Might be true, but nothing is coming out saying anyone forced him to fire anyone. The Astros have had a bunch of issues that look bad on the team in the last couple seasons and this just adds to it.

Just now, Binghamton Beast said:


Pete Rose

Yup, I know, that's who I was talking about

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Just now, BuffaloBillies said:

 

True... but cloud of suspicion regardless.

 

All im saying is - the astro's had and continue to have a lethal lineup.  Breg, Altuve, Correa, Springer - its hard to believe that this props them up like massive amounts.  I don't feel like digging through all their splits to see if home/away over the years is that big of a discrepancy.  Maybe i will before fantasy baseball season to see if its worth knocking them down a peg, but i doubt it.  

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8 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

 And he played for the Reds, 

Phillies and Expos and also managed the reds

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Just now, Reed83HOF said:

Phillies and Expos and also managed the reds

He is known most for being with the Reds organisation though.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

All im saying is - the astro's had and continue to have a lethal lineup.  Breg, Altuve, Correa, Springer - its hard to believe that this props them up like massive amounts.  I don't feel like digging through all their splits to see if home/away over the years is that big of a discrepancy.  Maybe i will before fantasy baseball season to see if its worth knocking them down a peg, but i doubt it.  

 

Google was pretty quick to turn it up 

 

https://www.12up.com/posts/astros-home-vs-road-splits-from-2017-playoffs-suggest-evidence-of-sign-stealing-01dsjze4xax2

 

https://www.barstoolsports.com/newyork/the-houston-astros-homeroad-splits-during-the-2017-postseason-are-laugh-out-loud-funny-and-you-might-need-to-take-away-their-title

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

All im saying is - the astro's had and continue to have a lethal lineup.  Breg, Altuve, Correa, Springer - its hard to believe that this props them up like massive amounts.  I don't feel like digging through all their splits to see if home/away over the years is that big of a discrepancy.  Maybe i will before fantasy baseball season to see if its worth knocking them down a peg, but i doubt it.  

This is what I find the worst/dumbest thing about these situations, when you see teams or players cheat when they really don't have to. The Astros have a really good team that shouldn't need an added advantage, but they do it to get that extra advantage, and accept it as a cost of winning if they get caught after a championship. No one can take away the past, you can put all the asterisks next to their names or erase the history books, but the players, fans and organisations at that time all got to celebrate and be champions for that time.

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In response to the revelation of Alex Cora's involvement in the Houston Astros' scandal in Major League Baseball, the NFL has awarded the New England Patriots a 4th round compensatory selection in the 2020 NFL Draft.

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This is huge part of why Major league Baseball is a classier than Football .  At least MLB has the balls to suspend coaches/ FO personnel  for a year for cheating, and has at least one owner who won’t put up with low life’s running his team.  NFL management is testicle free zone. This alone makes me want to watch more baseball. If the NFL was able to be embarrassed they would be now.

 

this is a potential marketing bonanza for baseball to gain more fans,

“We take action when we catch cheaters” 

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20 minutes ago, eanyills said:

If we’re making disingenuous comparisons across corporations that couldn’t be more different other than that they’re both entertainment industries, let’s not forget that MLB ignored a decade long scandal that almost crippled its business and handled the fallout of damage control in one of the worst possible ways.

 

MLB isn’t a model for the NFL.

Major League Baseball was also the first league to have to really address PED because they were being used in all sports.

 

It is a well known fact that Major League Baseball has served as the model for all four major sports here because of numerous factors such as it’s longevity but it’s also been the sport that commonly takes on divisive issues head on. If they’re not the first to address certain issues, they’re typically the first to get things right (I.e. domestic abuse). 

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Count me in the minority I guess, I’m no HOU fan, but think this is overdone 

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1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said:

MLB doesn’t ***** around when it comes to breaking rules that concern the integrity of the game.

 

In fact, both are probably lucky they didn’t get banned from the game.

Who would hire these guys? They are permanently tainted, no owner in their right mind will hire these guys, their careers are over in MLB. 

At least one would think as much.

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Just now, Don Otreply said:

Who would hire these guys? They are permanently tainted, no owner in their right mind will hire these guys, their careers are over in MLB. 

At least one would think as muc.


True.

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MLB is serious when they make the Astros forfeit the 2017 title.  That sends the real message.  You cheat, you lose everything.

 

Otherwise, it's just three dudes who will never be in the MLB ever again.  

 

 

 

 

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