Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 The board seems all over the place on this one, so who are we crediting for our success this year? I wanted a topic specifically gathering our opinions on the big 5. Let's be respectful of others opinions as I feel there is a lot of disagreement here: Beane: B- not in love with the offense he's assembled, especially our poor decisions with receivers although I understand he hasn't had much time to focus on it. Kudos for the defense but I have to give McDermott props on the secondary since he made most of it before Beane got on board and is a DB coach. McDermott: A+++ the man I give full credit to for this year. Dude's a keeper. I strongly believe HC's should get the lion's share of credit for a good year (see Kitchens blowing it with a talented roster). Beane brings the talent, McDermott brought the winning culture. Not to mention his work on the secondary I mentioned in Beane's grade. Daboll: D the offense just isn't up to snuff. I understand he's not working with much, but I always get frustrated every Sunday with something he does. Granted I don't know much about exactly what his contribution as OC brings to the table but IMO not a fan. Frazier: A- fantastic job. Only thing i'd criticize is I want to see more blitz but what do I know? His unit has been fantastic this year. Josh Allen: B a complete enigma. Every Sunday I alternate every series with being fed up with him.. and next series I'm amazed at a 3rd and long he completes. JA may be the most polarizing figure on here so I'll just leave this with an average grade and say while I want to see more.. he's been good enough and he's my franchise QB for now! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) How much did you expect in one offsesason with 9 new starters on offense and multiple new backups/reserves? I mean c'mon bro, let's be realistic here. I know it doesn't matter in Madden and you can just plug and play anyone and not suffer any dropoff but this is real life and it matters---a LOT. Edited January 3, 2020 by matter2003 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 It's too early. Wait til the season's over. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: How much did you expect in one offsesason with 9 new starters on offense? I mean c'mon bro, let's be realistic here. I know it doesn't matter in Madden and you can just plug and play anyone and not suffer any dropoff but this is real life. The defense turned it around in one off-season last year. It's not unheard of to churn a competent unit. But I agree Daboll isn't working with too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: The defense turned it around in one off-season last year. It's not unheard of to churn a competent unit. But I agree Daboll isn't working with too much. So they had 9 new starters or like 3 or 4 new starters? By my count they had Star, Murphy, Edmunds and Wallace as starters that were new. Also Murphy only started 10 games last year and Start was rotational and only played on 1st and 2nd downs mostly. A lot more manageable when you have players at every level of the defense that really know the scheme and can help the newcomers versus this year on offense where literally 2 or 3 people knew the scheme and some had position groups with 0 like RB and TE's Not to mention the defense is helped a lot by players who are smart and flexible position wise and who play the scheme to near perfection. Almost never a busted coverage, almost never players out of position, etc. Yeah sometimes they can gashed a little on run fits but they get those fixed. The defense is also helped tremendously by the scheme they play which prevents deep throws and keeps everything in front of them so they can rally to the ball and tackle. Ever see how many Bills defenders are around a ball on most plays compared to other teams? Sometimes it looks like they are playing with 12 or 13 players out there. Edited January 3, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Whatever happens I think we are setup for future success and should be competing for playoffs and more for the foreseeable future. That was a goal for our head office. Remember the defense has had three years to gel together. I’m more excited about where this offense will be next year and beyond. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Beane is an easy A. He turned the entire roster in 2 years, may have found his QB and has $90m+ in cap space. He’s the most responsible IMO. McDermott is an A-/B+ from me. Culture is fantastic. Team is disciplined and prepared. Clock management and challenges still need work. Daboll is a B- from me. He’s not creative enough in the red zone for me. I also think Josh needs to run early in games to get into the flow. Frazier is an A-. He’s done a nice job with a really talented defense. My only gripe is that I’d like them to attack a touch more. Josh is a B-. He has shown flashes of what he can become. He needs to be more accurate and consistent. He’s taking the steps though. If he keeps on this trajectory he’s going to be a really good NFL QB. 9 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I think this fan base doesn’t know how to handle a playoff week. I’ve read the most bizarre threads this week. It’s like a meltdown. 7 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Poor decisions on receivers? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Poor decisions on receivers? Brown with a career year and Beasley very close to a career year. And they cut bait with Zay. I mean don't get me wrong, I do miss his levitation trick coming off the ground from a prone position, but still... Edited January 3, 2020 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: I think this fan base doesn’t know how to handle a playoff week. I’ve read the most bizarre threads this week. It’s like a meltdown. I'm just having a retrospective of possibly my favorite Bills season to date lol. Of course we don't know how to handle it.. it never happens! 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Poor decisions on receivers? Kelvin Benjamin still irks me. Disliked him in Carolina Edited January 3, 2020 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 You graded Beane a B- over the offense he assembled?? He is a gm of the year candidate based mostly off of the offense he assembled in one offseason really. He hit homeruns on almost every signing and draft pick. They built an offensive line with 4 new players and depth. Not in love with Beasley and Smoke? Why? What more did you want to see from them? Besides coles few drops he’s been amazing. There are not many, if any success stories for an offense similar to what Beane just accomplished this season adding this many players on offense. I won’t worry about grades for the others until I see what they do for the postseason, because honestly a good showing changes everyone else’s grades. But Beane deserves an A or an A+ without a doubt regardless of the postseason. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 McBeane will be around for a while, so there shouldn’t be a FINAL grade yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: You graded Beane a B- over the offense he assembled?? He is a gm of the year candidate based mostly off of the offense he assembled in one offseason really. He hit homeruns on almost every signing and draft pick. They built an offensive line with 4 new players and depth. Not in love with Beasley and Smoke? Why? What more did you want to see from them? Besides coles few drops he’s been amazing. There are not many, if any success stories for an offense similar to what Beane just accomplished this season adding this many players on offense. I won’t worry about grades for the others until I see what they do for the postseason, because honestly a good showing changes everyone else’s grades. But Beane deserves an A or an A+ without a doubt regardless of the postseason. Also that McDermott appears to have control over the secondary, our best unit IMO. I've been tough on Beane so I get why some grade him better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I'm just having a retrospective of possibly my favorite Bills season to date lol. Of course we don't know how to handle it.. it never happens! Kelvin Benjamin still irks me. Disliked him in Carolina OK you got one. Zay also even though he had a respectable 7 TDs last year. But the key is they don't let the fact they made a mistake hinder them from improving. They don't try and justify giving up a 3rd round pick to hold on to a player who isn't performing. They don't try and justify holding onto a player who they drafted in the second round and traded up to go get from tying to improving if they think that is the right thing to do. It's a very Belichik like way of managing the roster where it is based on production. They will get the chance to respond and improve to the coaching they receive and if they still aren't making progress then they have to go. Started from year 1 and has been pretty consistent across the board even when they were really talented players. I'm giving Beane a solid A. It is not easy to: 1) Get rid of talented players and take huge dead cap hits the following year even though its what they truly believed needed to happen for the betterment of their team. 2) Draft and sign free agents and even UDFA's that are key contributors in so many places. 3) Find the right type of players who will all mesh together and have no ego's but want to play and win for each other in one of the ultimate "Me" sports. 4) Create one of the best cap situations in the NFL while making the playoffs in their first true "rebuilt" year where they started seeing the fruits of their labor. They were a year ahead of schedule if you ask anyone to be honest at OBD. Edited January 3, 2020 by matter2003 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Beane: B- not in love with the offense he's assembled, especially our poor decisions with receivers although I understand he hasn't had much time to focus on it. Kudos for the defense but I have to give McDermott props on the secondary since he made most of it before Beane got on board and is a DB coach 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: OK you got one. Zay also even though he had a respectable 7 TDs last year. But the key is they don't let the fact they made a mistake hinder them from improving. They don't try and justify giving up a 3rd round pick to hold on to a player who isn't performing. They don't try and justify holding onto a player who they drafted in the second round and traded up to go get from tying to improving if they think that is the right thing to do. It's a very Belichik like way of managing the roster where it is based on production. They will get the chance to respond and improve to the coaching they receive and if they still aren't making progress then they have to go. Started from year 1 and has been pretty consistent across the board. True I can appreciate that he's not too proud to cut bait. But fine I'm asking for other people's grade to guage what people think. Give us yours for us to pick apart. There's no pleasing everyone dude.. unless it's A+s across the board lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 How about wait til the season is over and then grade them. Seems a like an incomplete at this point 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, H2o said: B's and up are good enough to stick with going forward for me. I probably lowered everyone a bit to make McDermott really stand out as I still believe he's far and away the man to give most credit to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: True I can appreciate that he's not too proud to cut bait. But fine I'm asking for other people's grade to guage what people think. Give us yours for us to pick apart. There's no pleasing everyone dude.. unless it's A+s across the board lol I think the magnitude and depth of the hits far outweighs any of the misses. In addition to not only getting players that are good but also ones that buy into what is being taught here, the family atmosphere and the culture. That stuff is all important or else you end up like Cleveland this year. In addition to making the playoffs while setting us up for future success with nearly $90 million of cap space next year. The off the field stuff might be even MORE important than what has happened on the field. Look at the Rams...they went for one year of glory by trading away all their high picks and didn't get it. Now they have cap hell and no picks for the next 2-3 years, not to mention an albatross of a contract they gave Goff that looks like one of the worst decisions ever made in the NFL. What are THEY going to do? Edited January 3, 2020 by matter2003 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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