Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Just Jack

2020 Pro Football Hall Of Fame Finalists list

Recommended Posts


oh sorry, can you do some research on the topic, don’t spend more than 124 hours

 

baseball is the best for reviewing personality and accomplishment meshing into first ballot enshrinement

 

Rice, Gossage, Eddie Murray, Steve Carlton, Roberto Alomar, Orlando Cepeda and Dick Allen are good case studies to back me up

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, row_33 said:


oh sorry, can you do some research on the topic, don’t spend more than 124 hours

 

baseball is the best for reviewing personality and accomplishment meshing into first ballot enshrinement

 

Rice, Gossage, Eddie Murray, Steve Carlton, Roberto Alomar, Orlando Cepeda and Dick Allen are good case studies to back me up

Using baseball, with different standards and different HOF criteria to “back you up”? Not very convincing. Are you Vic Carucci by any chance? 
 

and if character came into play with TO, why not Harrison? Bye bye now row there’s no point.

  • Haha (+1) 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We have done the TO thing to death but the HOF voters have said (though it is not defined as far as I am aware in the official criteria) they make a distinction between off-field nothing to do with football character and off field football character in terms of in the locker room, impact on team mates etc. Thereby TO who consistently disrupted locker rooms and threw his QBs in San Fran and Philly under the bus waited and Marvin Harrison and Ray Lewis are first ballots. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Were they less dominant or simply overlooked and under-appreciated?

 

Torry Holt was the fastest receiver in history to 10,000 yards.  

 

Has everyone really forgotten The Greatest Show on Turf that quickly?  Before gaudy numbers became a regular thing for so many receivers at once, they helped set the bar and actually won a ring while doing it.

 

They were absolutely dominant and *are absolutely Hall of Fame worthy.

Holt has been eligible for what 5 years now and he just made it to finalist list for the first time. So far from absolutely HOF worthy.  Great player in a great scheme but not all time great worthy of HOF.

I should also add I don't think Kurt Warner should have been inducted either. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

if Boselli played longer he'd be a guy I'd give him a nod. Bruce and Holt were great and wonder if they'd go in together? Yet as other mentioned a non great group, a bunch of above average players but not any generational great except for Polamalu.

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Holt has been eligible for what 5 years now and he just made it to finalist list for the first time. So far from absolutely HOF worthy.  Great player in a great scheme but not all time great worthy of HOF.

I should also add I don't think Kurt Warner should have been inducted either. 

If Jim Kelly's in the HOF than Warner should be too. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

We have done the TO thing to death but the HOF voters have said (though it is not defined as far as I am aware in the official criteria) they make a distinction between off-field nothing to do with football character and off field football character in terms of in the locker room, impact on team mates etc. Thereby TO who consistently disrupted locker rooms and threw his QBs in San Fran and Philly under the bus waited and Marvin Harrison and Ray Lewis are first ballots. 

Everything you said is correct but TO still should have been first ballot HOF. McNabb literally puked the SB away and could not run hurry up offense at the most crucial time while TO was playing on a recently fractured ankle. 

FYI - Harrison got in on third ballot not first 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Not a very impressive list.

 

 

Steve Atwater, LeRoy Butler & John Lynch. That's a lot of Safeties. Probably deserving, but no way they all get in.

 

 

Atwater was a beast and I think is more than deserving.  But there's a lot of old-boy-network nonsense in NFL HOF voting  that favors visible people.  For example, Howie Long was a good DE but to go in as quickly and early as he did?  What if he's not on Fox every week?  For this reason I expect Lynch to go in and for that other committee to vote for Jimmy Johnson (notwithstanding his crap job in Miami).

 

I'm not saying -- yet -- that Long, Lynch and Johnson may not belong in the HOF.  I'm saying they get breaks that other people don't.

  • Like (+1) 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
11 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Were they less dominant or simply overlooked and under-appreciated?

 

Torry Holt was the fastest receiver in history to 10,000 yards.  

 

Has everyone really forgotten The Greatest Show on Turf that quickly?  Before gaudy numbers became a regular thing for so many receivers at once, they helped set the bar and actually won a ring while doing it.

 

They were absolutely dominant and *are absolutely Hall of Fame worthy.

 

My thoughts exactly. Those guys were the dawning of the new modern age of football we see now. Holt and Bruce were both superstars in that offense, putting up numbers that might seem like the norm today but definitely weren't back in the late 90s-early 00s. I think I drafted Holt or Bruce every year when I played fantasy football as a kid, with the pads of paper and a pen and you'd have to check the stats in the paper the next day, haha.

Edited by blacklabel
  • Like (+1) 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Everything you said is correct but TO still should have been first ballot HOF. McNabb literally puked the SB away and could not run hurry up offense at the most crucial time while TO was playing on a recently fractured ankle. 

FYI - Harrison got in on third ballot not first 

 

McNabb not performing in a Superbowl is no excuse for TO acting the way he did. TO missed out on first ballot despite his obvious talent and production because he was a bad teammate. 

 

Appreciate the correction on Harrison.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The NFL has to re-think about making 5 new HOFers every year, as this list is not great. Too many guards and safeties How long did it take Jerry Kramer to get in?

  • Thanks! (+1) 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, qwksilver said:

The NFL has to re-think about making 5 new HOFers every year, as this list is not great. Too many guards and safeties How long did it take Jerry Kramer to get in?

 

yup...

 

need:

 

1) an offensive lineman

2) an old-timer that 80% of current fans never saw play

3-5) hopefully someone worthy...

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Ennjay said:

 

Atwater was a beast and I think is more than deserving.  But there's a lot of old-boy-network nonsense in NFL HOF voting  that favors visible people.  For example, Howie Long was a good DE but to go in as quickly and early as he did?  What if he's not on Fox every week?  For this reason I expect Lynch to go in and for that other committee to vote for Jimmy Johnson (notwithstanding his crap job in Miami).

 

I'm not saying -- yet -- that Long, Lynch and Johnson may not belong in the HOF.  I'm saying they get breaks that other people don't.

Definitely.

 

Being on television sure helped Cris Carter, and he does not belong in the Hall of Fame.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
29 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Definitely.

 

Being on television sure helped Cris Carter, and he does not belong in the Hall of Fame.

 

we are getting old and grumpy and can't accept that players after we became of age are worthy?

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

we are getting old and grumpy and can't accept that players after we became of age are worthy?

 

Not at all.

 

I think the Hall of Fame should be for those who made a real difference in the game. To me, Cris Carter does not fit that description. I feel the same way about Art Monk and John Stallworth.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How many of you that scoff at Isaac Bruce, Chris Carter, etc. think that Steve Tasker should be in the Hall of Fame?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

this is absurd.  The best Special Teams player (who is not a kicker or punter)  of all time not in the Hall.  wtf.  Instead, lets have the 35th best wr, safety or whoever.  

 

many in my life didn't understand Jim Kelly getting in..... so Tasker doesn't have the love outside most of Bills fans...  :(

 

  • Like (+1) 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, row_33 said:

 

many in my life didn't understand Jim Kelly getting in..... so Tasker doesn't have the love outside most of Bills fans...  :(

 

 

what other QB took a team to 4 straight SB’s?   Not even Brady in a watered down AFC East.  Kelly had to go against Marino twice or 3 times every year, also Warren Moon in AFC, Elway, etc.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

what other QB took a team to 4 straight SB’s?   Not even Brady in a watered down AFC East.  Kelly had to go against Marino twice or 3 times every year, also Warren Moon in AFC, Elway, etc.  

 

i'm just reporting and they are 100% serious, i fully disagree of course, he wasn't a superelite QB but he belongs there

 

but there's a lot of downplaying of that 4 SB era, craziness...  :(

 

 

Edited by row_33
  • Thanks! (+1) 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

McNabb not performing in a Superbowl is no excuse for TO acting the way he did. TO missed out on first ballot despite his obvious talent and production because he was a bad teammate. 

 

Appreciate the correction on Harrison.

I agree that is why the voters made him wait. I just disagree with their actions.  Was Michael Jordan a good teammate? By many accounts no. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Ethan in Portland said:

I agree that is why the voters made him wait. I just disagree with their actions.  Was Michael Jordan a good teammate? By many accounts no. 

 

I don't watch or in fact care about basketball. You Americans had four goes at creating decent sports. You are batting at .250 :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't watch or in fact care about basketball. You Americans had four goes at creating decent sports. You are batting at .250 :D

 

basketball hall of fame, did you score 20 points in a game?

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

I'm guessing the following make it:

53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't watch or in fact care about basketball. You Americans had four goes at creating decent sports. You are batting at .250 :D

 

Naismath was Canadian.

Edited by matter2003
  • Confused 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Ennjay said:

 

Atwater was a beast and I think is more than deserving.  But there's a lot of old-boy-network nonsense in NFL HOF voting  that favors visible people.  For example, Howie Long was a good DE but to go in as quickly and early as he did?  What if he's not on Fox every week?  For this reason I expect Lynch to go in and for that other committee to vote for Jimmy Johnson (notwithstanding his crap job in Miami).

 

I'm not saying -- yet -- that Long, Lynch and Johnson may not belong in the HOF.  I'm saying they get breaks that other people don't.

John Lynch definitely deserves it

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...