Chicken Boo Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Arguably the best player in football, sure-fire Hall of Famer and he's only 28. Depth schmeth. There is nobody on this defensive line that rivals what Donald can do. Couple that with not having to shell out any other big deals, outside of Tre, for the next 3 years or so... Yes, I'd make the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Tesla03 said: the amount of money he will take up we could give to at least 3 new high quality playmakers on offense...and still have money to spare. no thanks. we need offense How much money are you under the impression he takes up? 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: We drafted Ed Oliver to be that guy, he's had a pretty good rookie season with ups and downs pretty much how I expected it to go but we know he can handle his own or at least in rotation along with Phillips and Phillips gives us a nice rotation none of which will exceed the 20+M contract of Donald. Tre White will need to be resigned and Allen will be getting a huge contract as well. Time to draft some pass rushers to make this defense complete whether that be at LB, DE or both but we need at least 2. whether this move or another- you look for the splash now and when Donald or whoever comes off the books, Allen’s getting paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 NO. not part of the PROCESS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Let me get this straight. Bills fans don't think the team would benefit from acquiring any of the following players: Steph Diggs Julio Jones Robby Anderson Amari Cooper and now Aaron Donald. Ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, egd said: Newton or Tannenhll will not be available. Franchise QB's don't hit the open market. Cousins going to Minnesota must be the exception to your rule.. Tannehill is a Free Agent in 2020 and can do what he likes unless they want to franchise him which would be quite the pay rise from his current $2 Million contract.. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Newton is not with the Panthers next year, but may not necessarily be at the Bears.. Edited December 25, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Let me get this straight. Bills fans don't think the team would benefit from acquiring any of the following players: Steph Diggs Julio Jones Robby Anderson Amari Cooper and now Aaron Donald. Ok. I think you might be missing part of the general thought process of many here, 1st, everyone would want those players on the team, 2nd, only if contracts fall in line with other upgrades Beane no doubt already has in the works. 3Rd, Beane will not undo all his previous work, ( cap control/ type of players wanted) to sign any player who does not buy in and run their career the Buffalo way while they are part of the organization. That’s the thinking many here have imo. BB & SM have a long term plan, like it or not they are following it, imo they envision Buffalo becoming a Steelers/ pats type of very stable wining/ profitable professional football organization. Thats what I got, many may very well think I’m a couple bottles short of a six pack in my thinking, and that’s okay, but I am right, ? Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 no, its a position of strength improve the offense and this team can compete for a super bowl next year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 1:14 PM, matter2003 said: At least a first round pick? More like 3 first round picks...dude is an absolute wrecker in the middle of the line A team is giving up 3 firsts and taking a 25 million dollar cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I think you might be missing part of the general thought process of many here, 1st, everyone would want those players on the team, 2nd, only if contracts fall in line with other upgrades Beane no doubt already has in the works. 3Rd, Beane will not undo all his previous work, ( cap control/ type of players wanted) to sign any player who does not buy in and run their career the Buffalo way while they are part of the organization. That’s the thinking many here have imo. BB & SM have a long term plan, like it or not they are following it, imo they envision Buffalo becoming a Steelers/ pats type of very stable wining/ profitable professional football organization. Thats what I got, many may very well think I’m a couple bottles short of a six pack in my thinking, and that’s okay, but I am right, ? Go Bills!!! the pats and Steelers have made room for plenty of “personalities” and also made big splash trades. The two of them trade me a 1 and a 2 during this season to add talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 DT might be the most overrated position in football after Left Tackle. We've had Marcel Dareus, Kyle Williams, Ted Washington, and Pat Williams among a host of other very good interior DL and it got us exactly nowhere. To commit that kind of cap space to a position that won't win you a Super Bowl is just stupid when you can get guys like Jordan Phillips for a $4.5M cap hit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: DT might be the most overrated position in football after Left Tackle. We've had Marcel Dareus, Kyle Williams, Ted Washington, and Pat Williams among a host of other very good interior DL and it got us exactly nowhere. To commit that kind of cap space to a position that won't win you a Super Bowl is just stupid when you can get guys like Jordan Phillips for a $4.5M cap hit. DT overrated? Not in this defense. We need true one tech DTs to stop the run with our MLB being a big strong safety. Jordan Phillips will want closer to $10M/yr, and that might be understating things. LT overrated? Not if you want a healthy QB. Me thinks your logic is a bit off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: the pats and Steelers have made room for plenty of “personalities” and also made big splash trades. The two of them trade me a 1 and a 2 during this season to add talent. True only to a point, those teams have been keeping their salary cap under control for many years, during which time the developed the team reputations, the Bills are only just starting to go down that road, but like all things to much sugar causes a cavity, LB & AB, muderous tight end, when the personalities go rouge they are then disposable. Personalities are fine, azsholes are not. It’s like no one understands that the Buffalo Bills started essentially from zero, reputation wise, when SM & BB got here, becoming a team like the Steelers etc, doesn’t happen in two and 3/4ths seasons, just repairing the teams image within the league is going to take more time than the typical whiny fan wants to endure, I say F those fans, it’s going to take time to lure the stars fans want and they are just gonna have to wait all pouty till it happens. Merry Christmas ? Go Bills!!! Edited December 25, 2019 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: DT overrated? Not in this defense. We need true one tech DTs to stop the run with our MLB being a big strong safety. Jordan Phillips will want closer to $10M/yr, and that might be understating things. LT overrated? Not if you want a healthy QB. Me thinks your logic is a bit off. You need decent to good players in those spots, but you hardly need elite. The elite players at both positions command huge premiums that have significant diminishing returns. Give me the 15th-20 best LT all day over the #1 at a quarter or less of the cost. If Jordan Phillips wants $10M let some other team make that mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: You need decent to good players in those spots, but you hardly need elite. The elite players at both positions command huge premiums that have significant diminishing returns. Give me the 15th-20 best LT all day over the #1 at a quarter or less of the cost. If Jordan Phillips wants $10M let some other team make that mistake. If you want a mediocre LT, you have one now. Dawkins isn't a top 5, or even top 10 LT; at least not yet. $10M for Jordan Phillips may be a bargain. You know they're paying Star that right now, and for much less production; Phillips, I recently saw, is the #2 rated DT in QB sacks behind Aaron Donald. Also get rid of Hughes and Trent Murphy; draft and/or get DE's in FA, which is money better spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Every team wants more great players. Every team has to worry about the cap to some extent. Every player and situation is different. I’m just glad we have our FO to make these decisions. I, and others, may have opinions (some more informed than others), but I’m just happy that Santa and the Pegulas have put people in place who seem to make better decisions than many other teams. Have a plan, make it work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: If you want a mediocre LT, you have one now. Dawkins isn't a top 5, or even top 10 LT; at least not yet. $10M for Jordan Phillips may be a bargain. You know they're paying Star that right now, and for much less production; Phillips, I recently saw, is the #2 rated DT in QB sacks behind Aaron Donald. Also get rid of Hughes and Trent Murphy; draft and/or get DE's in FA, which is money better spent. just because star is overpaid, doesn't mean we should overpay a one-year wonder a season removed from being waived as a former 2nd rd pick. Phillips has been great, and I'm more than happy to keep him around at $5-7M any more than that and we can replace him with someone younger. As for Dawkins, he's exactly what I'm looking for in an OL. Solid but unspectacular. Any QB worth having should be able to get their job done behind guys like Dawkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I'll take Cooper Kupp first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 12 hours ago, Don Otreply said: I think you might be missing part of the general thought process of many here, 1st, everyone would want those players on the team, 2nd, only if contracts fall in line with other upgrades Beane no doubt already has in the works. 3Rd, Beane will not undo all his previous work, ( cap control/ type of players wanted) to sign any player who does not buy in and run their career the Buffalo way while they are part of the organization. That’s the thinking many here have imo. BB & SM have a long term plan, like it or not they are following it, imo they envision Buffalo becoming a Steelers/ pats type of very stable wining/ profitable professional football organization. Thats what I got, many may very well think I’m a couple bottles short of a six pack in my thinking, and that’s okay, but I am right, ? Go Bills!!! The Steelers just gave up a 1st to acquire Minkah Fitzpatrick, who they will have to sign to a big money deal within the next 2 years. He's going to be an $18-$20 million/year guy. Beane has already whiffed on Kelvin Benjamin and kicked the tires on Antonio Brown. I don't think many here have as great a grasp on what Beane's philosophy is as they think they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The Rams aren't letting him go. That is an absolute impossibility. If they trade him, Spotrac lists his dead cap at $41 mill. Some bit of that would be paid for by the team that picked him up, but a minimum of $32 mill dead cap would be on the Rams. As for the Bills, they've got their 3-tech in Oliver, and much cheaper for the next four years. It just wouldn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 10 hours ago, NoSaint said: the pats and Steelers have made room for plenty of “personalities” and also made big splash trades. The two of them trade me a 1 and a 2 during this season to add talent. Did the Steelers and the Pats bring in a lot of "personalities" in their coaches' third year? Or was it only after they'd thoroughly remade the locker room in the image of their system that they brought in those types of guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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