warrior9 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Fitzy is a decent quarterback. Nobody ever fully committed to him, but it’s a testament to his game that he’s went to all of these different teams and rather it’s by injury or great play he snags the starting job. He’s hit and miss but nobody has ever built a playbook or offense to suit his strengths either like some other successful quarterbacks Chan Gailey did with him and Spiller. Then Spiller loses Gailey as does Fitz and they suddenly start playing poorly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) On 12/15/2019 at 12:12 AM, Scott7975 said: You do realize that certain people at PFF have thought from the beginning that Allen will never make it in the NFL and they continue to do what they can to discredit him? You do also realize that PFF is posting this particular comment to purposely rile up Bills fans right? You are always so quick to come to the media's rescue when people don't like something they say. You have been doing that since the other Bills board. If I didn't know better, I would think you are a urnalist too, but IIRC you are a teacher or something. No, I don't realize that, Scott. I do recognize that many over-sensitive Allen fans unreasonably think so, though. "Come to the media's rescue"? Good lord, Scott, talk about a metaphor that's outright wacko!! I'm not in a position to rescue anyone from anything. Do I notice that the standard response here when any media member says anything that might by any logical stretch be taken as eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever so slightly negative, is to immediately and loudly blame the messenger? Which has absolutely zero logical strength or sense? Yeah, I do indeed notice that and when it gets especially egregious I sometimes say something. And this was one of those cases. People immediately took this comparison as wildly anti-Allen when it really was pretty reasonable and more pro-Duck than anti-Allen. (Again, before the Buffalo game, Duck's passer rating was over 100. Hell, even after that game, Duck's rating is within two points of Josh's. He was doing a very good job with what they were asking him to do, and that's the only reasonable way to judge a QB.) People also took it as a prediction of both of their futures rather than a comment on how things were at the time, and this made zero sense. After this game, it would be considerably harder to make that case, but it was pretty reasonable before he played our very fine defense. Edited December 17, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 18 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: ❤️ Oh look, ANOTHER topic I'm right about. PFF IS GARBAGE. Period. Dear Messenger. I blame you. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 14 hours ago, MAJBobby said: All the hype for a UDFA QB that cant throw past 10 yards consistantly against Bad Defenses, now he faces a real one and look shows he is nothing more than a UDFA QB that should stick to his duck calling For a QB who can't throw past 10 yards, his YPA is still higher than Allen's. Being held ineffective by our defense isn't something that only happens to UDFA QBs, either. Brady and Lamar Jackson didn't have good games against us either. Nor did Allen have an especially good game against the Steelers, who aren't as good against the pass as we are. As I've said many times in this thread, in terms of predicting the future, I'd take Allen over Hodges in an instant, without having to think hard. Hodges has proved much much less. But it was reasonable to say that Hodges had been outplaying Allen so far. Again, much harder to make that contention now ... but I doubt that anyone will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Buffalo cut him because Buddy Nix and Doug Whaley are morons. There is space between terrible and Super Bowl caliber franchise QB. If he were as bad as you claim he wouldn’t still be starting NFL games seven years after his release. On the contrary, cutting Fitzy made total sense at the time. He was due to make $11 mill in salary that year and they didn't want him to start and didn't want to pay a backup at that level. It was reported that they talked to him about keeping him by re-negotiating his salary down but he wasn't interested. Made sense to both parties. Fitzy wanted to start and probably knew that a team willing to start him would pay more than the Bills. Fair enough that there's "space between terrible and Super Bowl caliber franchise QB." Very true, and Fitzy does indeed come in between those two and further away from terrible. Great guy, I wish he were a better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Dear Messenger. I blame you. Period. They see you trollin they hatin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: ❤️ Oh look, ANOTHER topic I'm right about. Ed Oliver approves this message. Edited December 17, 2019 by Sundancer 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Sundancer said: Ed Oliver approved this message. Aren't you adorable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: They see you trollin they hatin Jordan Phillips is 2nd among DT’s with 9.5 friggin sacks and a starter on a defense that’s ranked 3rd against the pass and 10th against the run in yards allowed. Jordan Phillips is PFF’s 100th ranked d-tackle... “Yes, this seems about right. PFF and myself know more than basically everyone” - probably Thurman#1 saying Hodges was better than Allen after he had managed 4td through 3 games vs crap teams was dumb before the bills game and it’s even more dumb after. Anyone trying to spin it any other way looks completely foolish. Edited December 17, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: Jordan Phillips is 2nd among DT’s with 9.5 friggin sacks and a starter on a defense that’s ranked 3rd against the pass and 10th against the run in yards allowed. Jordan Phillips is PFF’s 100th ranked d-tackle... “Yes, this seems about right.” - probably Thurman#1 saying Hodges was better than Allen after he had managed 4td through 3 games vs crap teams was dumb before the bills game and it’s even more dumb after. Anyone trying to spin it any other way looks completely foolish. "I better not see you quoting PFF when we're good!" - @Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Jordan Phillips is 2nd among DT’s with 9.5 friggin sacks and a starter on a defense that’s ranked 3rd against the pass and 10th against the run in yards allowed. Jordan Phillips is PFF’s 100th ranked d-tackle... “Yes, this seems about right. PFF and myself know more than basically everyone” - probably Thurman#1 saying Hodges was better than Allen after he had managed 4td through 3 games vs crap teams was dumb before the bills game and it’s even more dumb after. Anyone trying to spin it any other way looks completely foolish. 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: "I better not see you quoting PFF when we're good!" - @Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: "I better not see you quoting PFF when we're good!" - @Bangarang Lol. We’re good and half of our elite defense is still ranked in the bottom half of their rankings. Complete joke. they are a very very VERY small tool to use in looking at how a player is performing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: For a QB who can't throw past 10 yards, his YPA is still higher than Allen's. Being held ineffective by our defense isn't something that only happens to UDFA QBs, either. Brady and Lamar Jackson didn't have good games against us either. Nor did Allen have an especially good game against the Steelers, who aren't as good against the pass as we are. As I've said many times in this thread, in terms of predicting the future, I'd take Allen over Hodges in an instant, without having to think hard. Hodges has proved much much less. But it was reasonable to say that Hodges had been outplaying Allen so far. Again, much harder to make that contention now ... but I doubt that anyone will. against the lowest ranked defenders with zero tape on him. Happens every year and multiple times this year see Kyle Allen. Minshew etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) On 12/16/2019 at 1:47 PM, billsfan89 said: The Steelers game was not Josh's finest hour. He made some mistakes and missed some opportunities. But Josh came through with enough big plays to support the defenses fantastic effort (and the special teams quality effort.) But Josh has had a lot of other quality games against bad to decent teams that you could point to that far outpaced anything Duck Hodges has done. I am not sure if Josh is an elite QB but he is progressing and still growing. 2020 I think will see exactly around what kind of QB Josh can really be long term. Funny thing is I rewatched the game last night and as I had done after another much scrutinized Josh Allen performance, my opinion of Allen’s game changed drastically. The reason we only scored 17 points instead of 24 or even 31 was because of dropped passes and fumbles. Josh threw a horrendous miss to Beasley out in the left flat and a low ball to Dimarco, one long overthrow which I’m not sure what happened. The Dimarco ball should have been caught. Brown, Beasley and others dropped several catchable balls that ended drives. This Qb’s misses are scrutinized more than any other qb, and guess what, other qb’s have some bad throws too. I’m more of the thought this receiving core still needs improvement and that will help Josh more than anything else. PFF are a bunch of morons.... Edited December 17, 2019 by Meatloaf63 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: They see you trollin they hatin More like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: No, I don't realize that, Scott. I do recognize that many over-sensitive Allen fans unreasonably think so, though. "Come to the media's rescue"? Good lord, Scott, talk about a metaphor that's outright wacko!! I'm not in a position to rescue anyone from anything. Do I notice that the standard response here when any media member says anything that might by any logical stretch be taken as eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever so slightly negative, is to immediately and loudly blame the messenger? Which has absolutely zero logical strength or sense? Yeah, I do indeed notice that and when it gets especially egregious I sometimes say something. And this was one of those cases. People immediately took this comparison as wildly anti-Allen when it really was pretty reasonable and more pro-Duck than anti-Allen. (Again, before the Buffalo game, Duck's passer rating was over 100. Hell, even after that game, Duck's rating is within two points of Josh's. He was doing a very good job with what they were asking him to do, and that's the only reasonable way to judge a QB.) People also took it as a prediction of both of their futures rather than a comment on how things were at the time, and this made zero sense. After this game, it would be considerably harder to make that case, but it was pretty reasonable before he played our very fine defense. SAMPLE. SIZE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 21 hours ago, warrior9 said: Chan Gailey did with him and Spiller. Then Spiller loses Gailey as does Fitz and they suddenly start playing poorly. Chan did a good job without a lot of talent. But people really overrate those offenses that he had. 2011 was the best Gailey offense - 14th in points and 14th in yards (The only year his O was in the top half of the league) and a ton of turnovers that didn't help the defense. The bad defense that everyone complains about was tied for 5th in the league with 31 takeaways, and even scored 5 TDs (6 if you count a PR by Leodis). Fitz and the vaunted Chan Gailey O everyone loves so much gave the ball back 30 times. I'm just sick of the revisionist history of him leading fitz to this like juggernaut offense that was held back by the defense. They were a bad team - on both sides of the ball. Maybe slightly moreso on the defense but several losses that year are completely on the Gailey Offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 What is Tre White ranked by PFF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MJS said: What is Tre White ranked by PFF? they list their rankings below their names during SNF. I think I saw he was 10th before sunday night..... about 7 or 8 slots too low. trying to find 9 cb's playing better than white is laughable. and again. they have phillips as the 100th best DT and he's 2nd amongst all DT's in sacks with 9.5 while starting on a front that's part of the 3rd best pass d and 10th best run d in yards allowed..... something doesn't add up there. Edited December 17, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: they list their rankings below their names during SNF. I think I saw he was 10th before sunday night..... about 7 or 8 slots too low. trying to find 9 cb's playing better than white is laughable. and again. they have phillips as the 100th best DT and he's 2nd amongst all DT's in sacks with 9.5 while starting on a front that's part of the 3rd best pass d and 10th best run d in yards allowed..... something doesn't add up there. Yeah, I think that's too low for White. After his performance on Sunday I wonder how much he'll increase. Hard to believe there are almost 100 DTs playing better than Phillips too. I used to like PFF a little, but it seems as the years go on their grades and rankings have become more erratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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