SoCal Deek Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, John Adams said: This is a "we" problem. It's not a Trump, Republican, or Democrat problem. Can we fix America without pointing a finger? Like, just fix things. Make compromises and changes? There's no conspiracy. There's no evil cabal. I know most people on this board can't but I'm trying a different tactic today and asking you since you're on the other side. Yes...we can! It starts by accepting the results of the 2016 election. Without that, we aren’t going to get very far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, John Adams said: This is a "we" problem. It's not a Trump, Republican, or Democrat problem. Can we fix America without pointing a finger? Like, just fix things. Make compromises and changes? There's no conspiracy. There's no evil cabal. I know most people on this board can't but I'm trying a different tactic today and asking you since you're on the other side. Changing the laws or procedures is your only fix for the hell we've gone through for the last three or so years? Don't point any fingers or place blame? Let the perpetrators of a coup off the hook? Do you actually think that letting thisshit slide is going to correct the problem? In any other time there would be several people being charged with treason over the attempt to frame a president in order to remove him from office. Heads should fly over this to make people think twice about doing such a thing in the future. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Yes...we can! It starts by accepting the results of the 2016 election. Without that, we aren’t going to get very far. That would be a big part of it, but that's not happening and no other compromise or fixing is happening among Americans until the filter bubble/ echo chamber traditional and social media problem is addressed. Edit to add that I have no freaking clue on where to begin addressing that problem. I really think we're *****. Edited December 12, 2019 by BillsFanNC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Yes...we can! It starts by accepting the results of the 2016 election. Without that, we aren’t going to get very far. But Timmy started it You sound like a 4 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 38 minutes ago, John Adams said: This is a "we" problem. It's not a Trump, Republican, or Democrat problem. Can we fix America without pointing a finger? Like, just fix things. Make compromises and changes? There's no conspiracy. There's no evil cabal. I know most people on this board can't but I'm trying a different tactic today and asking you since you're on the other side. Yes, let's fix it. Chris Wray has proposed changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Changing the laws or procedures is your only fix for the hell we've gone through for the last three or so years? Don't point any fingers or place blame? Let the perpetrators of a coup off the hook? Do you actually think that letting thisshit slide is going to correct the problem? In any other time there would be several people being charged with treason over the attempt to frame a president in order to remove him from office. Heads should fly over this to make people think twice about doing such a thing in the future. You think the FBI launching an investigation and announcing it ten days before the election was a coup? Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Adams said: You sound like a 4 year old. ... says the 4 year old it only took you 20 minutes to do what you said you were not going to do. and you wonder why we think your a feck. ... I know most people on this board can't but I'm trying a different tactic today ... Edited December 12, 2019 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 It's possible that the laws need to be changed but what is that based on? Were our present laws adhered to or were they broken? Were our present laws sufficient if they were actually followed? Changing the law because our old law was broken by people with evil intent doesn't seem to actually address the real problem. If that's true any thinking person would see that it's an enforcement of present law issue not a systemic problem within the structure of our laws. In other words, if the law is sufficient it's time to lock a few people up and throw away the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You think the FBI launching an investigation and announcing it ten days before the election was a coup? Maybe. You're an idiot. Comey was attempting a coup against the sitting president named Obama? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 43 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: It's possible that the laws need to be changed but what is that based on? Were our present laws adhered to or were they broken? Were our present laws sufficient if they were actually followed? Changing the law because our old law was broken by people with evil intent doesn't seem to actually address the real problem. If that's true any thinking person would see that it's an enforcement of present law issue not a systemic problem within the structure of our laws. In other words, if the law is sufficient it's time to lock a few people up and throw away the key. exactly. it’s like gun laws. Changing gun laws only applies to those who are law abiding, not people like the Jersey shooting this week or any other criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You're an idiot. Comey was attempting a coup against the sitting president named Obama? Comey helped Trump win, big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Comey helped Trump win, big time. No you idiot, Hillary helped Trump win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: No you idiot, Hillary helped Trump win. Comey gave Trump a huge boost. Trump nerded Russia, the FBI and a pack of lies to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Comey gave Trump a huge boost. Trump nerded Russia, the FBI and a pack of lies to win To believe this, you have to believe that there were people in the country who, in the previous 25 years, hadn't formed an opinion about Hillary. That's ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, DC Tom said: To believe this, you have to believe that there were people in the country who, in the previous 25 years, hadn't formed an opinion about Hillary. That's ridiculous. Not at all. People make up their minds at the last minute all the time. It only takes a small percentage to stay home, decide to vote third party or actually feel motivated to get off their butts and vote at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Comey gave Trump a huge boost. Trump nerded Russia, the FBI and a pack of lies to win Just to show you how powerful Trump is. He "nerded" a whole country. Be careful, he might make you into a man and you'll have to move out of Mom's basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 IF THIS IS EXONERATION… …I’d hate to see inculpation! James Comey and other Democrats are absurdly claiming that Michael Horowitz’s report vindicates or exonerates them. That is ridiculous, as anyone who follows the news even casually knows. Horowitz testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee today–testimony that, as I understand it, was not broadcast by the television networks. Horowitz’s testimony was summarized in a White House email a few hours ago: As Horowitz made clear today, no one who touched this FISA application at the FBI is vindicated by his report. QUESTION: “The former FBI Director James Comey said this week that your report vindicates him. Is that a fair assessment of your report?” HOROWITZ: “You know, I think the activities we found here don’t vindicate anybody who touched this FISA.” Horowitz refused to rule out political bias as a reason for the FBI’s inappropriate handling of FISA requests. QUESTION: “Can you say it wasn’t because of political bias?” HOROWITZ: “On, on decisions regarding those FISA matters, I do not know their state of mind.” The FBI‘s review process of the FISA applications was found to have basic, fundamental, and serious errors. HOROWITZ: “We also found basic, fundamental, and serious errors during the completion of the FBI’s factual accuracy reviews procedures, known as the WOODS procedures which are designed to ensure that FISA applications contain a full and accurate presentation of the facts. Department lawyers and the court should have been given complete and accurate information so they could have meaningfully evaluated probable cause before authorizing the surveillance of a U.S. person associated with a presidential campaign. That did not occur.” The FBI failed to meet the most basic obligations of ensuring FISA application accuracy. HOROWITZ: “We found that investigators failed to meet their basic obligations of ensuring that the FISA applications were scrupulously accurate. We identified significant inaccuracies and omissions in each of the 4 applications, 7 in the first application and a total of 17 by the final renewal application.” Horowitz confirmed that Christopher Steele was politically biased and was attempting to prevent the election of Donald Trump. The FBI failed to disclose his bias to the FISA court. QUESTION: “Christopher Steele, is it fair to say that had a political bias against Donald Trump?” HOROWITZ: “He, given who he was paid for, there was a bias that needed to be disclosed to the court.” QUESTION: “Does it seem that he personally had a bias, not just because he’s on the payroll of the Democratic Party, but he –“ HOROWITZ: “Well we found in the course of this and heard from Mr. Ohr about his comment to him that he was desperate to prevent Mr. Trump’s election.” Horowitz concluded that the debunked Steele dossier played a “central and essential role” in the FISA application. HOROWITZ: “We concluded that the Steele reporting played a central and essential role in the decision to seek a FISA order. FBI leadership – FBI leadership supported relying on Steele’s reporting to seek a FISA order after being advised of concerns expressed by a department attorney that Steele may have been hired by someone associated with a rival candidate or campaign.” Horowitz agreed that an FBI lawyer created fraudulent evidence in order to get a FISA application approved. QUESTION: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?” HOROWITZ: “That’s correct. That is what occurred.” Inaccurate information in the applications made the case appear much stronger than it truly was. HOROWITZ: “As a result of these 7 significant inaccuracies and omissions, relevant information was not shared with and consequently considered by department lawyers in the FISA court. And the FISA applications made it appear as though the evidence supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case.” That is what James Comey calls vindication! His position is much like that of Lisa Page, who came out of hiding to give interviews in which she argued that her betrayal of her duties as an FBI lawyer in a desperate attempt to undermine the incoming Trump administration didn’t constitute a crime. Thus setting a new low bar for FBI employees. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/12/if-this-is-exoneration.php 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Just to show you how powerful Trump is. He "nerded" a whole country. Be careful, he might make you into a man and you'll have to move out of Mom's basement. I'm still right. You are screaming and pulling on it about the FBI when they helped put the clown in office. But they are unfair, boo hoo. Whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: You're an idiot. Comey was attempting a coup against the sitting president named Obama? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Foxx said: 'https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1204982224883474432 https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1205102723135344640 This is FBI speak -- "consensual recording" in FBI speak means the person being wired consents to being wired, ie the SPY they sent in to record G-Pop is the one who consented, not G-Pop or Page. That's how nuts it is. 3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Changing the laws or procedures is your only fix for the hell we've gone through for the last three or so years? Don't point any fingers or place blame? Let the perpetrators of a coup off the hook? Do you actually think that letting thisshit slide is going to correct the problem? In any other time there would be several people being charged with treason over the attempt to frame a president in order to remove him from office. Heads should fly over this to make people think twice about doing such a thing in the future. He's broken. The proof of a cabal of government employees in the FBI, DOJ, and IC working in concert to try to hobble and overthrow the administration is now a proven fact. Yet he denies it. Not because he's not smart enough to read the report(s) for himself that make this clear, but because he's an asshat who will NEVER admit to being wrong about anything because he thinks it's a sign of weakness. The reality is, he's just weak, refused to think for himself and because of his own failures he's been wrong for years... and now he's got a broken brain. And he deserves every bit of it. Remember, we just learned the entire upper echelon of the FBI and DOJ under Obama is being considered for criminal prosecution based on the OIG report. Every last one of them. But there's "no cabal". He's purposefully lying to himself. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 SWAMPLAND: DOJ IG Horowitz Says FBI Employee Who Misled DOJ in Russia Probe Still Works There. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, B-Man said: SWAMPLAND: DOJ IG Horowitz Says FBI Employee Who Misled DOJ in Russia Probe Still Works There. . ...probably got promoted....SMH........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Changing the laws or procedures is your only fix for the hell we've gone through for the last three or so years? Don't point any fingers or place blame? Let the perpetrators of a coup off the hook? Do you actually think that letting thisshit slide is going to correct the problem? In any other time there would be several people being charged with treason over the attempt to frame a president in order to remove him from office. Heads should fly over this to make people think twice about doing such a thing in the future. If the only punishment for running a 3 year grift on a sitting President is "let's not point fingers and let's come together for an emotional cleanse", I vote for leaving things the way they are. No downside, no jail time, just an endless cycle of political malfeasance and bland statements afterward that we all should do better next time. I'll take my chances with our side. Edited December 12, 2019 by leh-nerd skin-erd 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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