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2 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

Lets not forget that Tyrod in his final season was making about 18 million while Josh is making about couple of million.

 

You get what you pay for :)

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4 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Whether he cares about Taylor or not he should care about the fact that he took a team that lead the NFL in rushing for 2 straight seasons and scored 23/24 ppg during that stretch and turned it into a team that scores under 20 for two straight going on 3 straight seasons and that's after investing the 7th pick in the draft to replace a two time pro bowl QB.  No matter who's asking it seems like a valid question.  I am on the side of people who think a little more time and probably one more draft and offseason to hopefully get the O-line right and we might turn a corner but I can't blame people for asking the question.

He wasn't asked about the change in points per game. He was asked about Allen vs Tyrod.

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9 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Allen > Tyrod. 

Still a bit early to reach a final conclusion, but I would say it is more:

 

Allen  Tyrod

 

 

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6 hours ago, MJS said:

I'm all for asking tough questions. I have no issue with Schopp asking tough questions. My issues with Schopp are:

 

1) He doesn't seem to care about the Bills or football in general.

2) He doesn't seem to like his job and definately doesn't seem to like talking to fans who call in.

3) Half the time he isn't even talking about football. He goes off on stupid tangents (I think this is a biproduct of his lack of interest in the Bills or football)

4) His knowledge of football is lacking. He admits to not even watching the games sometimes.

 

So I think he is not good at his job. He's overly negative and pompous. He doesn't like the Bills or football. I don't see why he even does what he does. He seems smart enough to do something else that he could be passionate about. He serves no purpose as a football radio personality.

You realize his job description is "radio broadcaster" and not "football expert," right?

 

It is funny, b/c I have seen your exact complaints over and over again not only here, but at several Buffalo Sabres boards where they are complaining he is not knowledgable about hockey and spends too much time talking about the Bills and football.

 

LOL.

 

What you and those hockey fans seem to overlook is that he has to try to attract a wide audience and be able to speak about a wide variety of sports topics in general.

 

You ignore things he is great at like Bills trivia, Bills history, NFL historic games, fantasy football/gambling aspects of sports (I hate that stuff myself but I'm sure many listeners love it), solid baseball knowledge, NBA knowledge, etc.

 

If you expect a local sports radio host to get into an Xs and Os discussion on what the Bills are doing wrong on 3rd and long passing downs, you need to adjust your thinking.

 

Very few people want to listen to that sort of detailed, technical analysis of football, even if a majority of this board probably would.

 

This board is a tiny segment of the WNY sports fan in general.

 

You are also failing to distinguish how he treats callers.  He does treat some of them with a degree of disrespect.  That tends to be the dumb ones who make poor arguments, get player/coach names wrong, and are just killing air time.

 

He is very consistently complimentary of callers who are intelligent, make cogent arguments, and add something of value to the show.  There aren't nearly as many of those but hey, this is Buffalo sports radio.  It is what it is.

 

 

 

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Sullivan and Schopp should work together.

 

lets see a guy you know wont be great and isnt even starting vs a guy who has the highest potential and is still very young who has to work on defenses knowing how he plays and get better. 

 

Allen has made tremendous strides on his short to intermediate game, which all the haters were whining about last year, he has regressed on the deep ball which is weird since he was good at it last year. However after yesterday's presser he admitted to being afraid of throwing ints and has been over throwing them, hopefully this realization and McDermott telling the team to play Fearless, he can get back on track here.

 

 

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17 hours ago, Casey D said:

The problem is that there is an underlying assumption that there are a boat load of guys out there ready to play QB at a high level in the NFL.  There are not.  If you want to give up on Allen already, what is the next flavor?  There are only a handful of guys who can play QB well in the NFL, way less than 32.  You have to make absolutely sure Allen is not it before moving on.  And he has had no where near enough time yet, no matter how impatient some are.  He is making slow, two steps forward/ one step back progress so far IMO. 

 

And there are several QBs who were thought to be the answer for their teams who have since regressed: Mariota, Goff, Trubisky, Mayfield, Wentz

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37 minutes ago, ColeB said:

 

And there are several QBs who were thought to be the answer for their teams who have since regressed: Mariota, Goff, Trubisky, Mayfield, Wentz

 

It's almost like you have to be patient with young QBs. 

 

What Allen is not: A disaster. What Allen is also not: Mahomes or Watson. 

 

Let him grow. Many things are better this year. The long ball is not one of them. 

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If Taylor at any point led the league in 4th quarter game winning drives, Redzone efficiency, or 4th quarter Qb rating he very well could still be the QB.

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15 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

If Taylor at any point led the league in 4th quarter game winning drives, Redzone efficiency, or 4th quarter Qb rating he very well could still be the QB.

this right here should shut down the taylor homers.

 

something tells me if JA and the bills make the postseason they'll be able to score more the 3 points.

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11 hours ago, The Bills Blog said:

This question was strange.

 

But, in general, I support "tough" questions. McDermott, while not outwardly reacting too much, has shown some signs of having thin skin with respect to media relations. Whether it's his rescheduling of his weekly WGR appearance to (seemingly) avoid Schopp after some of their encounters last year, the attempt to avoid issuing a press pass to Sullivan at his new outfit (who knows if McD was involved in this or not), or McD's subtle frustration that you pick up on when Sully asks questions.

 

No.  The question was not strange.  It was specifically designed to *****-stir

 

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Allen plays nothing like Tyrod and is running an offense that has a completely different focus with totally different personnel. Otherwise the QBs and their situations are very similar.

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I don't understand why it's SO DIFFICULT for people to have patience with a young QB.

 

 

I've been following this team for 30 years.  These exact same reporters (Sullivan) crucify the Bills front office every single time they pass on a QB in the draft, and instead choose to roll with a veteran like Drew Bledsoe, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kyle Orton or Tyrod Taylor.  They complain incessantly about our GM wasting salary cap dollars paying for an average/below average passer.  They write their little op-ed pieces about how the Bills need to draft and develop a guy out of college, like all the other successful NFL franchises.

 

But when the Bills actually draft a young QB, they CANNOT WAIT to rip the guy to shreds.  Their hands are shaking at the keyboards, eagerly anticipating the day they can definitively call our young passer a bust.  It's amazing how quiet Sullivan has been this season, up until this week.  Now he is what?... suggesting the Bills shouldn't have drafted Allen and instead stuck with Taylor?  What a ridiculous load of nonsense.

 

When it comes to developing a QB, it's not about how you start.  It's about how you finish.  And even Josh Allen's biggest believers ALWAYS KNEW he was starting behind most 1st-Round level QBs.  He was coming from a small college, against very low-caliber competition.  His mechanics were poor.  His field vision and decision-making needed work.  He was a Number One Overall physical talent, with a mid-late round on-field production.  Even the draft critics who absolutely loved Allen, quantified their love by saying he needed LOTS of development and would take longer than other guys in the class like Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen.

 

I would say that comparing Allen's stats in the middle of his second season, to a veteran like Taylor who was in his seventh season is totally sad and pathetic.  Except, it's actually a huge positive.  If he's already playing at a similar level to Taylor, it tells me Allen is progressing quicker than most of his critics expected.  There is no doubt that Bills coaches expect Allen to be better than Taylor eventually.  Same with the fans.  But it's going to take time and patience.

 

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2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

But when the Bills actually draft a young QB, they CANNOT WAIT to rip the guy to shreds.  Their hands are shaking at the keyboards, eagerly anticipating the day they can definitively call our young passer a bust.  It's amazing how quiet Sullivan has been this season, up until this week. 

Fortunately, Vic Carucci stepped up to carry on this proud tradition.

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27 minutes ago, vincec said:

Allen plays nothing like Tyrod and is running an offense that has a completely different focus with totally different personnel. Otherwise the QBs and their situations are very similar.

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It’s a valid point though they are in two different places in their careers when they compare these numbers. It seems that the coaching staff have handcuffed Allen like Tyrod seemed to be when he was playing. I hope the McDermott was serious about playing fearless and they let Josh take the reigns. Gotta take the good with the bad if you’re going to let Josh ball. In my opinion, it’s better than the Tyrod play not to lose scenario. 

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11 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Whether he cares about Taylor or not he should care about the fact that he took a team that lead the NFL in rushing for 2 straight seasons and scored 23/24 ppg during that stretch and turned it into a team that scores under 20 for two straight going on 3 straight seasons and that's after investing the 7th pick in the draft to replace a two time pro bowl QB.  No matter who's asking it seems like a valid question.  I am on the side of people who think a little more time and probably one more draft and offseason to hopefully get the O-line right and we might turn a corner but I can't blame people for asking the question.

 

I agree it would be a valid question to ask McDermott about the offensive devolution under his watch.  But there's a reasonable and an unreasonable way to ask it.

Bringing up numbers that wrap an injury and season for a rookie QB known to be a project, noting that they're the same as the last 20 starts of a QB one moved on from, and framing it as "is that enough improvement for you or will it take another 20 starts" in a pointed way, is not a reasonable way to ask it.

 

I am not a fan of every move McDermott and Beane have made nor do I think they were necessitated by the cap situation they inherited.  They deserve some questions, especially if things don't turn around.  The question Sullivan asked in the way he asked it was not one of those questions.

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20 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Unreliable. Much like the other takes on Allen recently.  

 

What was the criticism of Allen in the offseason? Needs to up his completion % and clean up the short/underneath stuff. Worked on it in the offseason and did it. 

 

Then through first 4 games it was: stop throwing INTs. Worked on it. Done. 

 

Now it's 'he can't hit a deep ball'...all you want to do is complain about what isn't working without looking at what is. It's beyond repetitive, it's just lazy at this point.

 

Just my opinion of course, but I'm not sure if it's "progress" if he gets better in some areas and worse in others.  He's cleaned up his short game, but gotten worse with the deep ball.  He's increased his completion percentage, but he's gotten more careless with the ball (8 fumbles all of last year, 11 already this year).  

 

Again, just expecting more in his second year - and I don't feel it's acceptable that for everything that he gets better at, there is something he has gotten worse at.  Not a great trade-off.

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Just my take, but the significant difference between Josh and Tyrod becomes clear in the 4th quarter when you need a drive to win or tie.  I liked Tyrod very much as a reliable, protect-the-ball type of game mgmt. QB, but I think we all knew that the 2 minute drill was going to end in frustration every time.

 

Josh has shown that he can lead that winning drive.  Even when everyone knows he has to throw it, he can still make it happen.  He tends to be good in the clutch and is the better passer when you need it.

 

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16 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said:

Just my take, but the significant difference between Josh and Tyrod becomes clear in the 4th quarter when you need a drive to win or tie.  I liked Tyrod very much as a reliable, protect-the-ball type of game mgmt. QB, but I think we all knew that the 2 minute drill was going to end in frustration every time.

 

Josh has shown that he can lead that winning drive.  Even when everyone knows he has to throw it, he can still make it happen.  He tends to be good in the clutch and is the better passer when you need it.

 

 

Gringo!!!!!  Good to see you, brutha.

 

I agree 100% with your sentiment.

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7 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Gringo!!!!!  Good to see you, brutha.

 

I agree 100% with your sentiment.

 

What's up, Gugs?

 

Life is good.  Bills are 6-3 and about to destroy the dolphins on Sunday.

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1 hour ago, Z-Mann said:

 

Just my opinion of course, but I'm not sure if it's "progress" if he gets better in some areas and worse in others.  

 

He's cleaned up his short game, but gotten worse with the deep ball.  

 

Not excusing his misses, but his hits last year were mostly jump balls and underthrows where bigger WRs and jumpers get them (which is how a lot of QBs hit their deep WRs)...but also where they got INTed. This year, Josh has been trying to hit his 2019 smurf WRs in stride at 50+ yards, which is really hard. A bigger target would help him feel like he can take more of a chance on those throws. 

 

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He's increased his completion percentage, but he's gotten more careless with the ball (8 fumbles all of last year, 11 already this year).  

 

 

The fumbling is making me nuts too. That's just focus when he's scrambling. Once he runs, he needs to lock that ball in. He must correct that. 

 

My guess is what's happening with Josh is as a project QB, he had 6 things to work on. Focusing all the energy on one thing like increasing short percentage passing may have caused a drop in other things. He will get more mental muscle memory on those things and hopefully can move on to others. If he can't, that's a problem, but so far, I see a coachable guy who can correct his flaws and that's encouraging. That doesn't mean he won't have another 3 INT game or a 50% completion game or bail on the pocket early too often, but when he focuses on stuff, it seems to get better.  

 

We can be patient as fans or give up. I'm happy giving his growth a few more years. First, what choice do we have? Does someone want to make a run at Josh Rosen, next year's top trade contender? Or Andy Dalton? Second, patience is something this franchise never has with its coaches and culture, and that's not worked out well. Third, Josh has some things that we can all see are worth building on: confidence, well-liked teammate, leadership, arm strength, clutch, good in community, toughness. 

 

He may not work out but he's the most promising QB they've had since...Bledsoe? Let's let it ride a bit. Anyone who didn't expect it to be bumpy has a short memory from what we all knew we were getting on draft day. I expected a lot of 140 yard passing games this year and I'm not seeing those. Now in fairness, I also expected some 300 yard games and I'm not seeing those. But I'm a long ways from bailing or calling him the second coming of friggin' Tyrod. 

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