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when the Bills start winning these things should take on less grounds for grumbling

 

 

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I guess I'm boring. I would just keep it the same.

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West: Seahawks Raiders 49ers Rams

West: Chargers Cardinals Broncos Chiefs

 

North: Vikings Packers Bears Colts

North: Bills Lions Browns Pittsburgh

 

South: Cowboys Texans Saints Titans

South: Dolphins Jags Falcons Bucs

 

East: Ravens Bengals Redskins Panthers

East: Jets Giants Eagles Patriots

 

New Scheduling: 3 Divisional Games (instead of 6), 4 games against like division from other conference (North play North, South plays South etc.), rotate other divisions, one from same conference, one from opposite, and 1 game against same finish from prior season from other division.

 

Bills Schedule under new structure:

 

1x each year, rotate home and away:

Lions

Browns

Steelers

Vikings

Bears

Packers

Colts

 

Then you rotate in other divisions, this example we'll play the South:

 

Cowboys

Texans

Saints

Titans

Dolphins

Jags

Falcons

Bucs

 

Then the final game is setup like the two filler games are now. So let's say we finished 2nd the prior year in the North, we'll play the 2nd place Panthers in the East.

 

I think the advantages here are:
A) Staying within your general region should help ticket sales. Could also cultivate some new "rivalries" while maintaining traditional match ups.

B) Not playing 6 divisional games helps with parody. Less likely for a repeat of the Pats dynasty where there's an easy 4-6 wins every year.

C) More entertaining. I'd much rather see 16 unique games each year. And again, parody plays into that also.

 

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5 hours ago, Bangarang said:


Do players actually care about such a thing?

Definitely not! 

 

Further, rivalries are a myth that actually means something only to fans.

 

I'd love to see the divisional system trashed as well.

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, corta765 said:

With the talk of a possible London team and many proposals for divisional changes I wanted to explain an idea I had which in my eyes would completely balance the league and the playoffs. It looks like this:

 

AFC East: BUF, NE, MIA, NYJ, PIT, CIN, CLE, BAL

AFC West: KC, OAK, DEN, LAC, IND, HOU, TEN, JAX

NFC East: PHI, DAL, NYG, WAS, ATL, TB, CAR, NOLA

NFC West: SEA, ARZ, LAR, SF, DET, GB, MIN, CHI

 

Schedule wise it works like this you play everyone in your division once with a single additional game against your former division rival (aka BUF would play NE, MIA, NYJ on a rotating basis). Then you would crossover against the other division playing four of the teams there and the next season playing the four you didn't. And with the NFC we would do it the same way the NFL does with four team a year rotating.

 

For the playoffs division winners are guaranteed homefield, but the top two records get the bye. So potentially the top two teams in each conference could be from the same division.

 

Here are the advantages:

-Far more balanced schedule where you play 75% of your conference yearly

-Better chance for bigger matchups on a more routine basis

-Playoffs would finally allow wildcards to host playoff games again

-You would never see an 8-8 7-9 division champion again

-Rivalries would be created with Buffalo playing close foes like PIT and CLE yearly and same for other matchups

 

It looks like if a team moves to London it probably is coming from the AFC. If the Jags or Chargers move you would just switch MIA into their place. Probably not the fairest thing for the Phins but that is a casualty of the NFL's obsession to go to London.

Heard on WGR this morning that playing in London is not gonna work unless there is a change in the tax structure in London(good luck). They mentioned a player making $28 million a year in London would take home $7 Million of it. No way that will fly with players or the NFLPA. I don't have any links to articles, just heard it on the radio this morning. 

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2 easy wins. That team will perpetually suck just based on logistics. Free agents will not want to play there and drafted players will leave as soon as they can.

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21 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I would get rid of divisions all together and just have 2 conferences. You play everyone in your conference once and 1 team from the opposing conference. The top 6 records from each conference make the playoffs. 
 

No more nonsense of having teams with better records being a WC team.

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41 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

2 easy wins. That team will perpetually suck just based on logistics. Free agents will not want to play there and drafted players will leave as soon as they can.

 

they will show up if the Bills build a solid base

 

the Blue Jays built up a solid base and a war chest and got the greats to show up by way of free agency to take 2 World Series

 

probably will never happen again....

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17 hours ago, dma0034 said:

I think they should pull some teams from the NFC and move them to the AFC. Like flip the New York teams. 

 

Honestly. New rivalries need to be made. There isn't one in the league except.maybe Balt/Pitt that even remotely seems interesting

 

and the main reason for the rivalries that pop up, are the battle for the top of the Division.  

 

San Fran vs Seattle?  

 

You can have Buffalo and Arizona in a division and if they are #1 and #2 for 4 years, there is going to be an "intense" rivalry formed.

 

 

 

I kind of like the present format, in that it is perfectly symmetrical for schedule.  I do get sick of the constant 6/16 NE/MIA/NYJ matchups.  

 

 

Realignment in all leagues happens from time to time.  I think the nearly 20 years we have had this alignment is an eternity as far as that goes.  

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2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

Realignment in all leagues happens from time to time.  I think the nearly 20 years we have had this alignment is an eternity as far as that goes.  

 

since 2002

 

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1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Heard on WGR this morning that playing in London is not gonna work unless there is a change in the tax structure in London(good luck). They mentioned a player making $28 million a year in London would take home $7 Million of it. No way that will fly with players or the NFLPA. I don't have any links to articles, just heard it on the radio this morning. 

 

I've heard that myself and they would have to make some big changes to make that fly.

6 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

Realignment in all leagues happens from time to time.  I think the nearly 20 years we have had this alignment is an eternity as far as that goes.  

 

Agreed. It's why I want the league to downsize divisions to just two and make the playoff field have a greater importance. It is asinine that a team with a better record goes on the road in the playoffs because of a division win by a crappy team.

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3 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

I've heard that myself and they would have to make some big changes to make that fly.

 

Agreed. It's why I want the league to downsize divisions to just two and make the playoff field have a greater importance. It is asinine that a team with a better record goes on the road in the playoffs because of a division win by a crappy team.

 

they start each season with the rules for playoff seeding

 

and teams tailor their efforts in order to meet goals such as HFA or just getting into the playoffs or tanking the whole season

 

obvious talent imbalance in a conference/division and teams missing out (with better records than teams making the playoffs) have never been grounds for shaking it up

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Heard on WGR this morning that playing in London is not gonna work unless there is a change in the tax structure in London(good luck). They mentioned a player making $28 million a year in London would take home $7 Million of it. No way that will fly with players or the NFLPA. I don't have any links to articles, just heard it on the radio this morning. 


It’s possible the NFL cuts a deal with London on league taxes that then gets funneled back to the players, but the larger question is how do pro sports manage this issue across the US in an era of increasing polarization of politics and tax law at the state level.  At some point it may impact competitive balance.

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20 minutes ago, KD in CA said:


It’s possible the NFL cuts a deal with London on league taxes that then gets funneled back to the players, but the larger question is how do pro sports manage this issue across the US in an era of increasing polarization of politics and tax law at the state level.  At some point it may impact competitive balance.

Yea. If I'm a professional athlete and strictly talking money, I want to be in place like TX or FL vs. NY or Cali. Those state taxes are a big deal. 

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On 11/5/2019 at 1:34 PM, Bangarang said:

I would get rid of divisions all together and just have 2 conferences. You play everyone in your conference once and 1 team from the opposing conference. The top 6 records from each conference make the playoffs. 
 

No more nonsense of having teams with better records being a WC team.

you can have groups of 4 teams that rotate to make up 2 conferences...each plays each other and you play 1 game against other conference by a lottery done for week 3 games at the draft...you know which 16 teams need to be at home that week then match the road teams from other conference to them.

 

for playoff---conference winner gets bye, then top 6 after are wild cards.

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On 11/5/2019 at 1:32 PM, corta765 said:

With the talk of a possible London team and many proposals for divisional changes I wanted to explain an idea I had which in my eyes would completely balance the league and the playoffs. It looks like this:

 

AFC East: BUF, NE, MIA, NYJ, PIT, CIN, CLE, BAL

AFC West: KC, OAK, DEN, LAC, IND, HOU, TEN, JAX

NFC East: PHI, DAL, NYG, WAS, ATL, TB, CAR, NOLA

NFC West: SEA, ARZ, LAR, SF, DET, GB, MIN, CHI

 

Schedule wise it works like this you play everyone in your division once with a single additional game against your former division rival (aka BUF would play NE, MIA, NYJ on a rotating basis). Then you would crossover against the other division playing four of the teams there and the next season playing the four you didn't. And with the NFC we would do it the same way the NFL does with four team a year rotating.

 

For the playoffs division winners are guaranteed homefield, but the top two records get the bye. So potentially the top two teams in each conference could be from the same division.

 

Here are the advantages:

-Far more balanced schedule where you play 75% of your conference yearly

-Better chance for bigger matchups on a more routine basis

-Playoffs would finally allow wildcards to host playoff games again

-You would never see an 8-8 7-9 division champion again

-Rivalries would be created with Buffalo playing close foes like PIT and CLE yearly and same for other matchups

 

It looks like if a team moves to London it probably is coming from the AFC. If the Jags or Chargers move you would just switch MIA into their place. Probably not the fairest thing for the Phins but that is a casualty of the NFL's obsession to go to London.

 

 

I have a long history of digging Corta...not going to change that now.

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On 11/5/2019 at 10:57 AM, SJDK said:

I think the league should re-align to have divisions that make sense.

 

AFC EAST:
Buff
NE
NYJ
BAL
 
AFC SOUTH:
MIAMI
HOUSTON
TENN
JACKSONVILLE
 
AFC NORTH:
INDI
CLE
PITT
CINCI
 
AFC WEST:
RAIDERS
BRONCOS
CHIEFS
CHARGERS
 
NFC EAST:
GIANTS
PHILI
WASHINGTON
CAROLINA
 
NFC SOUTH: 
ATLANTA
NO
DALLAS
TAMPA
 
NFC NORTH:
CHI
MIN
GB
DET
 
NFC WEST:
SF
ARI
SEA
RAMS

 

 

Won't happen as the NFL won't allow the Buffalo-Miami rivalry to end. Or Dallas-Philadelphia.

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I like when they put a southern team in a northern division.  Nice to mix it up with weather.  Southern teams play in snow.  Northern teams get a break and head south when cold out.

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The NFC East is the crown jewel of the NFL and its broadcasting empire

 

stop wishing Dallas would be moved out of it...

 

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13 hours ago, Dopey said:

Heard on WGR this morning that playing in London is not gonna work unless there is a change in the tax structure in London(good luck). They mentioned a player making $28 million a year in London would take home $7 Million of it. No way that will fly with players or the NFLPA. I don't have any links to articles, just heard it on the radio this morning. 

What's the problem...if Warren or Sanders gets elected the player making $28Million will think getting to keep $7Million is a sweet deal! :)

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On 11/5/2019 at 10:16 PM, MJS said:

I guess I'm boring. I would just keep it the same.

 

Me too. 

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18 hours ago, Dopey said:

Heard on WGR this morning that playing in London is not gonna work unless there is a change in the tax structure in London(good luck). They mentioned a player making $28 million a year in London would take home $7 Million of it. No way that will fly with players or the NFLPA. I don't have any links to articles, just heard it on the radio this morning. 

 

I would be interested in hearing that calculation because by my reckoning it is wrong. We have no such thing as state tax we have a national income tax. The threshold for high earners in 50% on earnings over £200,000. My working out on that means you get paid $28m a year you would take home about $14m a year. 

 

And that is before all the tricks you can use to reduce your tax liability. If you really kept a quarter of your income do you really think the world's best soccer players would continue to flood into the UK? 

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8 hours ago, row_33 said:

The NFC East is the crown jewel of the NFL and its broadcasting empire

 

stop wishing Dallas would be moved out of it...

 

 

This. Four big market teams in a single division playing 12 head to heads a season. The NFL is not messing with that. Nor is it messing with the handful of other rivalries which are guaranteed TV numbers: Green Bay - Chicago; Baltimore - Pittsburgh; Seattle - San Francisco. There is a reason that even in seasons where one or other of these teams is down for some reason they still have those matchups I'm prime time slots.

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Playing 3 teams twice per year in football is just stupid.   8 team divisions would make the league better and each game more important.  For example, we lost to NE, but since we play them again, if we beat them, we can win the division.  This makes our first meeting with those cheaters less meaningful.  

 

It would also give the best teams a chance to make the playoffs.  We have seen a few duds HOST playoff games in the current setup.  Realigning would also give teams like the Bills an actual shot at making the playoffs, I stead of getting buried under a dynasty like the cheaters for TWENTY FREAKING YEARS.

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AFC East: BUF, MIA, CIN, Washington, Atlanta

 

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