atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 3:33 PM, Kelly the Dog said: So he either bad-mouthed previous administrations, or Brandon Beane and himself, or both. Not sure that was necessary. Expand 100% accurate and probably a little necessary from an answer standpoint to the fans questioning no trades made.
HappyDays Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:09 PM, GG said: With the benefit of knowing that success in this league depends solely on landing a franchise QB, and knowing that the team that hired you has had a franchise QB drought for 2 decades, your inclination should be to devote every second of those 3 months to determine whether Trubisky, Mahomes or Watson are worthy of a No. 10 pick. Expand I'm sorry but that's absurd. QBs are scouted over the course of at least a year, typically longer. Who do you hold responsible, McDermott? It's not the head coach's job to draft a QB. Beane? He wasn't here yet. If you want to blame someone blame Pegula. You can trace that failure back to Rex Ryan getting hired. There was zero chance we were drafting this regime's hand picked franchise QB in year one. The timing was all off. 1
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:12 PM, Hebert19 said: Looks like green was expecting to get traded based on the article today. Expand He will be a FA in a few months and can be signed without giving up assets. . Which is why no one was willing to give up what the Bengals are asking. Green was adamant he doesn’t want to be franchised and i expect the Bengals won’t because they need good agent relationships 2
apuszczalowski Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:08 PM, billsfan1959 said: Is that what we have to do now? Qualify each and every win and overall record of every team? Where does it end and what does it tell us. Philly beat us, but they lost to Dallas, who lost to the jets, who we beat. So, what does that exactly say? This is so non-sensical. Why are you so unhappy that you have to find a way to diminish anything good about this team? Expand You don't have to qualify each and every win, it's been pretty apparent across all of them so far this year. The offence can't score more then 20 points in a game, they have only beaten bad teams, and required either late comebacks or gifted the wins because of kickers missing everything. When they play a good team they have lost. They have been pretty consistent this year in their play, it's just the end result that's different, they have also been very lucky in many of the games.
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:14 PM, HappyDays said: I'm sorry but that's absurd. QBs are scouted over the course of at least a year, typically longer. Who do you hold responsible, McDermott? It's not the head coach's job to draft a QB. Beane? He wasn't here yet. If you want to blame someone blame Pegula. You can trace that failure back to Rex Ryan getting hired. There was zero chance we were drafting this regime's hand picked franchise QB in year one. The timing was all off. Expand I mean, is QB drafting the rocket science you’re saying it is? Trubisky, Watson and Mahomes were all projected 1st round picks. Watson has been to two National Championships. It’s not like Watson and Mahomes were projected day 3 picks that you needed to be in person to see.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:10 PM, BringBackOrton said: If EJ wasn’t Whaley’s guy, Whaley would have eventually drafted a QB high over the next 5 years, but he didn’t. Expand Whaley went along with EJ. There were no reports I know of that he was against it. But Buddy Nix was not leaving his job without getting a QB and he chose EJ, along with Brandon. There wasn't much choice, and they did trade down and got Kiko, too, who became Shady. 1
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:17 PM, Kelly the Dog said: Whaley went along with EJ. There were no reports I know of that he was against it. But Buddy Nix was not leaving his job without getting a QB and he chose EJ, along with Brandon. There wasn't much choice, and they did trade down and got Kiko, too, who became Shady. Expand Whether Buddy “chose” EJ or not, EJ was just as much if not more of Whaley’s boy. Nix “chose” Fitz by giving him a big contract and two years later when he sucked was recorded as wanting to walk away. Whaley gave EJ 2 years, and then kept him in the mix an extra 2 for good measure. Nix retiring set our franchise back 5 years.
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:14 PM, HappyDays said: I'm sorry but that's absurd. QBs are scouted over the course of at least a year, typically longer. Who do you hold responsible, McDermott? It's not the head coach's job to draft a QB. Beane? He wasn't here yet. If you want to blame someone blame Pegula. You can trace that failure back to Rex Ryan getting hired. There was zero chance we were drafting this regime's hand picked franchise QB in year one. The timing was all off. Expand That means that he had access to the Panthers' scouting notebook (as hinted by Bills picks in that draft). Who was running that draft? Who agreed to trade No. 10 for a pick in '18, when it was known inside the building that Whaley wouldn't be around for that pick? Why blame Pegula, when there are rumors that he was in favor of Mahomes? Everything about the 2017 draft screams that McD was in full control. If he didn't do his due diligence on the top 3 QB prospects, that's all on him. 2 1
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:05 PM, HappyDays said: Without the benefit of hindsight, do you honestly believe that a defensive head coach that had been in the building for 3 months should have drafted a 1st round QB based on the last regime's scouting, before his own GM was hired? Does that strike you as responsible decision making? Expand He could have watched some film, decided that he had no idea how he would possibly defend him, so he must then draft him. On 10/30/2019 at 5:19 PM, BringBackOrton said: Whether Buddy “chose” EJ or not, EJ was just as much if not more of Whaley’s boy. Nix “chose” Fitz by giving him a big contract and two years later when he sucked was recorded as wanting to walk away. Whaley gave EJ 2 years, and then kept him in the mix an extra 2 for good measure. Nix retiring set our franchise back 5 years. Expand Not as much as a couple wins. That set us back decades!
HappyDays Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:16 PM, BringBackOrton said: mean, is QB drafting the rocket science you’re saying it is? Expand Drafting the right QB makes and breaks careers. This is entirely hindsight. There isn't a single person in the NFL that would picked a QB there with that timing. 1 1
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:14 PM, HappyDays said: I'm sorry but that's absurd. QBs are scouted over the course of at least a year, typically longer. Who do you hold responsible, McDermott? It's not the head coach's job to draft a QB. Beane? He wasn't here yet. If you want to blame someone blame Pegula. You can trace that failure back to Rex Ryan getting hired. There was zero chance we were drafting this regime's hand picked franchise QB in year one. The timing was all off. Expand He drafted his CB and WR and LT of the future that draft. Youre basically saying that every pick in 17 should have sucked because McD was a recent hire. That’s a really interesting easy defense mechanism.
HappyDays Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:20 PM, GG said: That means that he had access to the Panthers' scouting notebook Expand Yeah I bet the Panthers did a lot of QB scouting. Good point.
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:21 PM, HappyDays said: Drafting the right QB makes and breaks careers. This is entirely hindsight. There isn't a single person in the NFL that would picked a QB there with that timing. Expand Maybe, maybe not. Is there a single person in the NFL who would have faulted McD for taking Watson at #10? If not, then your argument is that McD was a coward.
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:15 PM, apuszczalowski said: You don't have to qualify each and every win, it's been pretty apparent across all of them so far this year. The offence can't score more then 20 points in a game, they have only beaten bad teams, and required either late comebacks or gifted the wins because of kickers missing everything. When they play a good team they have lost. They have been pretty consistent this year in their play, it's just the end result that's different, they have also been very lucky in many of the games. Expand Ahhhh, another "they are 5-2 but should really be winless if it wasn't for gifts and quality of oppents that is the worst ever seen in the history of the NFL - maybe the worst in the history of competion since the beginning of man" poster. I have never seen such angst, hand-wringing, and misery over a 5-2 record....
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:20 PM, Kelly the Dog said: He could have watched some film, decided that he had no idea how he would possibly defend him, so he must then draft him. Not as much as a couple wins. That set us back decades! Expand NFC wins, no less.
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:22 PM, HappyDays said: Yeah I bet the Panthers did a lot of QB scouting. Good point. Expand Every team scouts the top QBs. Do you wonder why Beane had his eye on Josh Allen since his sophomore season?
Kelly the Dog Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:25 PM, GG said: Every team scouts the top QBs. Do you wonder why Beane had his eye on Josh Allen since his sophomore season? Expand True, and I am not sticking up for McD here, but it's a lot different for a HC, especially a new one, even if he is in charge of the draft, than a GM who is scouting all year. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 3:48 PM, GG said: Patrick Mahomes approves of this message. Expand not surprised by this lamest of takes. 1
HappyDays Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:22 PM, BringBackOrton said: He drafted his CB and WR and LT of the future that draft. Expand You can die on this hill if you want to. I'm gonna back out. 2
BringBackOrton Posted October 30, 2019 Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/30/2019 at 5:27 PM, Kelly the Dog said: True, and I am not sticking up for McD here, but it's a lot different for a HC, especially a new one, even if he is in charge of the draft, than a GM who is scouting all year. Expand Just like in the real world, if being so afraid of making a wrong decision prevents you from making the right decision, you are useless.
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