Thurman#1 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 11:46 AM, ScottLaw said: Two bad games in a row where they were exposed in certain areas.... let's see if they can adjust. I'm not arguing McDermott isn't a good defensive coach. He is. I guess we'll have to disagree about how good the defense was in the Miami game. For me when you allow 18 points and force two turnovers, that's a pretty good game for a defense. Certainly they were bad against Philly. And fair enough if you're agreeing McDermott is a good defensive coach. If I misunderstood you, I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 14 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Am I not allowed to like white players or something? Are you racist? I read everyone's reasons why the Bills lost against the Eagles. I would say the biggest reason the Eagles won is because Fletcher Cox was on tape talking about how he was going to blow a guy's head off with a shotgun. If the Eagles lost again, they would all probably be fired after that. They really were playing for their jobs. That's really what only wins in the NFL. Driving people to early deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, marky said: I read everyone's reasons why the Bills lost against the Eagles. I would say the biggest reason the Eagles won is because Fletcher Cox was on tape talking about how he was going to blow a guy's head off with a shotgun. If the Eagles lost again, they would all probably be fired after that. They really were playing for their jobs. That's really what only wins in the NFL. Driving people to early deaths. I thought they were rallied around Cox as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: That's really not true. It's full of wild exaggeration, as Joe B's column today makes clear. The same Joe who made it clear for the past several weeks that he wasn't doing his job. Must have got to talkin' to by McBeane. I'm not saying Star is the only problem, I'm saying is that he is not anywhere close to living up to the what he's getting paid. 200 + yards up the gut is just awful. 15 hours ago, Rocket94 said: Months ago I didn't see it. The more that I watch Edmunds in the middle, it is painful to watch him, knowing his true strength is on the outside. It is almost like McDermott is making it work...square peg in a round hole. Agree, sort of like watching the Cody Ford RT experiment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 10:58 PM, HalftimeAdjustment said: The Bills D is more oriented to stopping the pass rather than power running. That is good, because the NFL is a passing league overall. But what is not good, is that the offense does not score enough to force opposing teams to go pass heavy. On 10/28/2019 at 11:30 PM, Happy Gilmore said: The last two games and getting gashed by the run is reminiscent of last year. Same defensive scheme, same MLB with a little more experience and a rookie DT who is a bit undersized. IMO, the DTs should be more traditional one tech guys who can stop the run since that is not the LB's primary role. i have not heard anyone talking about this yet, and i may be wrong as i have a few at the games, and a few before, and a few after....but... seems like Eagles went heavy TWELVE personnel sets , and Lorax was on the sidelines an awful lot while Marlow came in the play the TE. Big difference there in terms of run stopping ability etc. I am not quite sure if there is anywhere to look up those numbers, but seems like 70 % or more of the game before the last 5 minutes only two LB's were on the field for the Bills. I see 57 had like 40% of the snaps, but think a lot of those were when the game was already decided. I thought for sure they would make the halftime adjustment and come back out and run their base D, especially on 1st down, but they just never made that change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 "The D isn't built to handle what hit them today" .....forgot the Mc before the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) On 10/27/2019 at 9:04 PM, BringBackOrton said: The defense was playing great until Allen giftwrapped the Eagles 7. All today proved is that this defense can’t carry Allen for 16 games. Most offenses have at least one turnover per game. That's part of the game. The problem Sunday is that the defense couldn't get themselves off the field, mostly because they couldn't stop the run. That's rough, time consuming and wears a defense down. The defensive hasn't played great for two games in a row now. Their weaknesses have been exposed and it will cost us going forward. Edited October 30, 2019 by Pokebball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i have not heard anyone talking about this yet, and i may be wrong as i have a few at the games, and a few before, and a few after....but... seems like Eagles went heavy TWELVE personnel sets , and Lorax was on the sidelines an awful lot while Marlow came in the play the TE. Big difference there in terms of run stopping ability etc. I am not quite sure if there is anywhere to look up those numbers, but seems like 70 % or more of the game before the last 5 minutes only two LB's were on the field for the Bills. I see 57 had like 40% of the snaps, but think a lot of those were when the game was already decided. I thought for sure they would make the halftime adjustment and come back out and run their base D, especially on 1st down, but they just never made that change. Interesting. McD and Frazier were probably more concerned with Ertz and Goedert more than the run; they stopped the TEs for the most part. It didn't seem like they were interested in getting to Wentz, which makes sense why LorAx didn't get as much playing time - he's terrible in coverage. From reading other threads around here, a couple of plays were the deciding factor as well as Edmunds missing gap assignments and Hyde and/or Milano over pursuing on running plays where Philly saw this and took advantage of it. By halftime, the game was easily within reach. I could see how they wouldn't really adjust when the coaches figured some of the players just didn't make a couple of plays. Later in the 3rd quarter Philly started piling it on and put the game away. The offense wasn't going to win the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Green Lightning said: The same Joe who made it clear for the past several weeks that he wasn't doing his job. Must have got to talkin' to by McBeane. I'm not saying Star is the only problem, I'm saying is that he is not anywhere close to living up to the what he's getting paid. 200 + yards up the gut is just awful. Agree, sort of like watching the Cody Ford RT experiment. Right! Experiments are all that they are. However, Edmunds and Ford are gaining valuable game experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 3:35 AM, Thurman#1 said: They're playing extremely good defense without the sacks. And yeah, they sure weren't good yesterday but overall this D has been excellent. We're 8th in QB hits this year (NFL.com), and above average in sacks at 14th. The solution could easily be to stand pat. Because the goal isn't to win this year. That may be the goal of many fans on here but McDermott and Beane have made very plain what their goal is ... to be consistently competitive. Not to win this year. To be consistently competitive. I think Brandon Beane disagrees with your assessment of Brandon Beane based on the fact that he was most certainly at least interested in Clark/Clowney. Price wasn't right for him apparently, but he knows the deal. And the time to win is always now. This is year 3, not year 1. They're gonna get 4 years and I'm good with that, but things change quickly if the results aren't there. The results ARE there this season as far as I'm concerned. 5-2 is right where they should be at this point. Can't judge anything that hasn't occurred, but we'll see how things go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 15 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: That's really not true. It's full of wild exaggeration, as Joe B's column today makes clear. You're right that he shouldn't bother, but not because people are dug in. Because a space eater can be doing a terrific job and still have a low run stop percentage. If he's raising the run stop percentage of the guys around him, he's doing his job. Run stop percentage has obvious problems to it. If teams don't think they can move you and so they run away from you, your run stop percentage will drop. The stat itself has major flaws. Some defenses are built to funnel backs to certain guys. The guys who make up the funnel will have low run stop percentages even when they're doing what the coaches want them to do. You're not citing Joe Buscaglia as some sort of football expert, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 8:52 PM, Turk71 said: Star's massive regression started in his last years in Carolina well before the Bills signed him to that ridiculous 5 year contract. Poor play and extremely poor coaching, 12 handoffs and 34 passes in high winds is inexcusable stupidity. Agreed Turk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 i went back over the horrible philly game. the d was pretty solid in the first half, terrible fumble caused it to be a bad result score wise. i was on board thinking we were soft up the middle (and i agree we seem to have more softness there than anywhere else), but after seeing the all 22 on star, looking pretty good, and watching the game again, what blew my mind were two things: Screens and penalties. penalties weren't as killer for the d this game, but we as a team have a real problem with idiotic penalties. a couple of the holding calls were ultra chinsy, but pre snap stuff can and should be eliminated. the screen passes killed us. those aren't on edmunds or star. those are outside defenders and guys not reading their cues. i know edmunds is the board's kicking boy (and he has great games and terrible ones, his consistency is for ish, i agree w that much) but our other two LBs were trash vs screens on sunday too. execution (if we count penalties as execution) is clearly our biggest issue, but in the past two weeks opponents have found a couple of tendencies/players to exploit and they have done so, on both sides of the ball (after NE stole what would have been our biggest win in years after out coaching us on special teams). our coaches need to come up w some adjustments to implement on the fly if our stuff falls apart again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/27/2019 at 9:21 PM, Big Blitz said: We built a D built to cover....Read the article in the Ringer this week on how we built a team for the 2020s. Fast. And must cover. And get after the QB. I think we know this anyway. That's why we have Oliver. EDIT: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/10/25/20929585/beginners-guide-to-buffalo-bills-surprising-5-1-start And no doubt we can cover and get to the QB especially against poor to above average lines. The bad news.... We are not built to beat big physical olines like the Eagles have. Edmunds is probably not going to be a run stopping force in the middle. He was drafted because of his athleticism. Meaning, he can cover. And when it all hits the fan like it did today and those big linemen get in space on those screens, and the RBs are good like Philly's are, combined with a coach that knows how to call a game....you got what hit us today. The Cowboys, Steelers, and Ravens---those are physical and good olines we'll see the down the stretch. I think they might have 3 of the best olines outside of Indy. This is something that can and has to be addressed NOW. Get a legit run stuffing DT like Detroit did last year with Snacks Harrison. Completely fixed their run D. If that guy is available get him asap. I don't know what Denver did today to slow down Indy and their run game but if anyone on their front 7 is available call them. The Redskins might be shopping Kerrigan to. That's 3 games left vs good running teams with great olines. Still have New England to. That could be 4 losses. And that's a problem. We have to address it by Tuesday imo. Defense isn't going to dominate every game, Offense needs to sustain drives, score points, not turn the ball over. Philly's TOP was 12 minutes more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) This helps to tell the story. Also, I just read on ESPN that we have one of the easiest schedules in the league. In terms of difficulty, we rank 25 for the entire year (past and future for the season). We have the 31st ranked schedule up to this point. In other words, the second easiest schedule up to now. Edited November 1, 2019 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) On 10/30/2019 at 7:14 PM, Nextmanup said: You're not citing Joe Buscaglia as some sort of football expert, are you? He does get paid to report on football. That’s some sort of credential Edited November 1, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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