Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:41 AM, MR8 said: He's not "there yet" in his development... He was a massive project coming in, and people need to remember that. His flashes early have made people think he's more advanced in his maturation process than his is.... Smart development of this kid means limiting his mistakes and not asking too much. His potential is the next Aaron Rodgers but his downside is the next JP Losman.... He may or may not be great but you can't rush his "that game" emergence.... Because he's not ready until he's ready.... If he ever is. But if he gets there, holy hell can he be good. Expand I don’t get the JP Losman comparator at all - yeah, he had a big arm, but I remember him as being a statue, with negligible pocket sense. He also had very poor passing production in terms of YPG even though his completion % was OK. That’s not to say JA is going to be Our Guy much less that he’s there yet, just to say that I don’t get the JP Losman comparison
Boatdrinks Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) On 10/21/2019 at 2:45 AM, BringBackOrton said: Teams that are winning generally don’t move on from their QB’s. Bad to mediocre QBs generally have their fifth year options. Good QB’s get extended long before then. We kept EJ for 4 years. Allen won’t be outright cut. I wouldn’t be surprised if some Allen competition was brought in unless he vastly improves. In fact, at this point, I’m praying that we draft a QB decently high next year. Expand So he’s gone by the fifth year option or a big extension. Okay, but I dont think the Bills will draft a QB significantly high next year at this point. Obviously subject to change. (Fwiw Id have moved on from EJ after year 2. He had nothing. ) I’d be surprised if there was a major completion as well, but what do I know. Just a guess. Edited October 21, 2019 by Boatdrinks
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:49 AM, Boatdrinks said: So he’s gone by the fifth year option or a big extension. Okay, but I dont think the Bills will draft a QB significantly high next year at this point. Obviously subject to change. I’d be surprised if there was a major completion as well, but what do I know. Just a guess. Expand they probably won’t draft one high. But they should. Not drafting new QB’s is how you end up like the Titans and Bucs. Treading water for 5 years waiting for the lights to come on.
Bangarang Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:31 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Please stop with it. No one is saying it’s all that matters, but comparing Allen’s play as a QB and Tebow’s is a stunningly bad take. Expand The only thing I’m comparing is record and comebacks which are the 2 most referenced things in defense of Allen.
DuckyBoys Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Bills are 5-1 and guys want to cut bait on a qb with 17 starts 2
Big Gun Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:19 AM, BringBackOrton said: I would say most QB’s who turn out to be good have that game by the end of year two. Expand Welp, he's started what 17 games? So he's got 15 more to go to grow and hit your theory. Amiright!
Bangarang Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:51 AM, DuckyBoys said: Bills are 5-1 and guys want to cut bait on a qb with 17 starts Expand has anyone actually said they want to cut or replace him now?
Boatdrinks Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:51 AM, BringBackOrton said: they probably won’t draft one high. But they should. Not drafting new QB’s is how you end up like the Titans and Bucs. Treading water for 5 years waiting for the lights to come on. Expand Heck, then draft one every year. I don’t care if they do, but most teams probably don’t and my guess is just a guess what they will do. I don’t see it happening unless things go south.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:38 AM, BringBackOrton said: Yeah the ones who didn’t get that deal SUCKED. Mariota (lost his job to Tannehill). Winston (SUCKS). Manziel (SUCKS.) Paxton Lynch (SUCKS). Bridgewater knee exploded and (SUCKS). Is that your argument? Allen is like those dudes? Expand That Bridgewater who SUCKS is currently rocking 69% completions, 6.9 YPA, 218 ypg, 7 TD and 2 INT in 4 starts, and his team is 4-0 in those starts. And yes, I’d be OK with that level of play from Allen - have you watched him? Either you don’t watch much football, or you’re rolling out opinions you can’t really defend to roil things up. 1 2
Boatdrinks Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:53 AM, Bangarang said: has anyone actually said they want to cut or replace him now? Expand It feels like that on this board at times, but I don’t recall a post stating that specifically. There probably are some. Others just say it will never work so it may as well say that. I’m just guessing what the team will actually do. Not making a declaration what they should do.
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:54 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: That Bridgewater who SUCKS is currently rocking 69% completions, 6.9 YPA, 218 ypg, 7 TD and 2 INT in 4 starts, and his team is 4-0 in those starts. And yes, I’d be OK with that level of play from Allen - have you watched him? Either you don’t watch much football, or you’re rolling out opinions you can’t really defend to roil things up. Expand He sucked in Minnesota. On 10/21/2019 at 2:53 AM, Boatdrinks said: Heck, then draft one every year. I don’t care if they do, but most teams probably don’t and my guess is just a guess what they will do. I don’t see it happening unless things go south. Expand Most teams are really stupid and bad. The teams that are good have good QB’s.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:53 AM, Bangarang said: has anyone actually said they want to cut or replace him now? Expand I could be mistaken, but yes, I think that’s a pretty reasonable interpretation of what Bringbackorton is saying - something about he wants us to draft a QB high next year.
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 I’ll take the intangibles, the drive to win, fierce competitiveness and a willingness to do whatever it takes to pull out a W in the end, over all the high yardage games in the world that start with L. This kid just has “it,” imho, and we will go plenty far with him, mark it. That will also include some blowout W’s with plenty of TDs—I mean heck, he put up 5 against a better version of this Miami team already in his rook year so we know he’s capable of that too. Right now the Bills are choosing to play complementary ball to the D’s strengths. Could/should today have gone better in terms of style points? Sure, but I’ll happily take my W and move on to Philly in the meantime. 1 2
DuckyBoys Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 What good is drafting a qb next year? Allen needs every snap By the end of next season it should be apparent what he is or isnt Its not like the Bills cant pass the football and are running 40 times a game
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:56 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I could be mistaken, but yes, I think that’s a pretty reasonable interpretation of what Bringbackorton is saying - something about he wants us to draft a QB high next year. Expand If Josh Allen was beat out by a 2nd or 3rd round QB next year, that’s only a good thing for the Buffalo Bills, the team that I am a fan of.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Why would a Bills fan not care? Allen will have that game once he matures. A season's worth of games won't do it. He also could use more consistent help than he's getting up front.
Augie Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:54 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: That Bridgewater who SUCKS is currently rocking 69% completions, 6.9 YPA, 218 ypg, 7 TD and 2 INT in 4 starts, and his team is 4-0 in those starts. And yes, I’d be OK with that level of play from Allen - have you watched him? Either you don’t watch much football, or you’re rolling out opinions you can’t really defend to roil things up. Expand He’s just a cranky one. Don’t bother him with obvious facts. 1
BananaB Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 I’m happy with just winning right now. Not too worried about stats with all the changes we had on O this year. Guys a learning how to win and you learn more from a close win then you do a blowout.
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 3:00 AM, Augie said: He’s just a cranky one. Don’t bother him with obvious facts. Expand Seeing as that was one QB of the several that I mentioned, and that the point of discussion was the rookie first round deals, I’d say you both missed the point in an obvious crusade attempt.
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