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Josh's foot work in the first qtr - Woof

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He looked really nervy in the first drive or two.  He didn't settle down until he hit a quick one up the middle to Beasely 

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4 minutes ago, TPS said:

He looked really nervy in the first drive or two.  He didn't settle down until he hit a quick one up the middle to Beasely 

 

The folks I watch the game with all agreed that McD or Daboll need to give Josh a valium about an hour before game time.     

 

And if the NFL eventually takes pot off the banned substance list, Josh should include a fatty in his pre-game ritual...

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46 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

The folks I watch the game with all agreed that McD or Daboll need to give Josh a valium about an hour before game time.     

 

And if the NFL eventually takes pot off the banned substance list, Josh should include a fatty in his pre-game ritual...

If you think about it, it was the first big game of his career thus far; and regardless what everyone has said - the players know we haven't beat NE at home in 8 years. Josh put a lot of pressure on himself. He should be able to learn from this and it will help him come playoff time

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3 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

How many franchise QBs struggle to throw a 5 yard out?

 

The Gore play drove me crazy. The linebacker literally falls over, Allen sees it, and still doesn't throw him the ball.

 

Such a boneheaded decision. 

 

I will not fault him for the decision to throw the ball to a WR who beat the CB deep.  I will fault him for the godawful base from which he made that throw.

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Just now, Reed83HOF said:

If you think about it, it was the game of his career thus far; and regardless what everyone has said - the players know we haven't beat NE at home in 8 years. Josh put a lot of pressure on himself. He should be able to learn from this and it will help him come playoff time

 

To me, he always seems too amped up at the start of games.   

 

He's his own worst enemy too many times early in the game.   He said last week that he'd absolutely, positively, definitely learned his lesson--no more hero ball--and then just seemed to forget that when he was flushed out of the pocket... 

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5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

If you think about it, it was the game of his career thus far; and regardless what everyone has said - the players know we haven't beat NE at home in 8 years. Josh put a lot of pressure on himself. He should be able to learn from this and it will help him come playoff time

That IS the issue...should be able to learn from this.  For him to take the step to being a top-tier QB, he has to learn to control himself.

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3 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

To me, he always seems too amped up at the start of games.   

 

He's his own worst enemy too many times early in the game.   He said last week that he'd absolutely, positively, definitely learned his lesson--no more hero ball--and then just seemed to forget that when he was flushed out of the pocket... 

You start to get a bit concerned when he reverts back, hence Daboll ripping him. IMO, this honestly is going to be what defines his career, can he overcome this or not? He is honestly fine with everything else so far...

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The first one the right tackle gets pushed back not allowing him to turn. The second one was a poor pass. The third it looked like he had his guy but had to readjust because of pressure and ended up throwing a floater. Also on the third one Gore was open but Allen had already made his decision and never seen him in my opinion. I know a lot of people are saying he looked at him but I don’t see that on my phone. He still should no of thrown it though. Chances are he takes a sack if he tries to find another option 

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4 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

Did you know Brady was panicked yesterday a well with hurried throws and errant throws it is what a disruptive line does to the QB.

 

Yes Josh had issues with setting his feet and made bad passes so did the QB on the other side.  One has 20 yrs in the NFL the other has two.

 

Look not trying to make excuses but that rush by the pats was strong as was the Bills and affected the QB's

 

 

Funny how people pissing on Allen forget how bad Brady looked yesterday. 

 

I'm not justifying Allen's performance...just pointing out that, at this point in the season, two of the very best defenses were on the field yesterday and both quarterbacks...BOTH OF THEM...had crappy games.

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3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

You start to get a bit concerned when he reverts back, hence Daboll ripping him. IMO, this honestly is going to be what defines his career, can he overcome this or not? He is honestly fine with everything else so far...

 

I qualify myself as a homer before writing this, but I have confidence he can overcome it if for no other reason he was able to beat the Jets after an even worse first half than he had yesterday.

 

It's just not going to happen overnight. I know there are a lot of posters here who hated the pick, and sit in their grandma's basement waiting for a bad game so they can remind everyone why they hated the pick, but, y'know, the thinking fan knows this is going to take time.

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4 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 thinking fan

 

Precious few of them in THIS fanbase. It's really embarrassing.

 

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3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Precious few of them in THIS fanbase. It's really embarrassing.

 

 

These young kids and their immediate gratification. :lol:. They look around and see a Brady over there and a Mahomes over there and a Foles over there and don't understand why they can't have one of those magical players who can turn an entire franchise around in one magical season.

 

Then sound like Veruca Salt, which is why it's so annoying to crusty old dudes like us.

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1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

These young kids and their immediate gratification. :lol:. They look around and see a Brady over there and a Mahomes over there and a Foles over there and don't understand why they can't have one of those magical players who can turn an entire franchise around in one magical season.

 

Then sound like Veruca Salt, which is why it's so annoying to crusty old dudes like us.

 

I work in a job where I have to explain why the button idiots push on a daily basis works, because they have no idea what the button does or why they push it. They just push it. "OH NO PLEASE HELP THE BUTTON ISN'T WORKING!"

 

That's what these people are like, and it's why I have no tolerance for them

 

:lol:

 

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7 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

On this last one, notice Gore wide open, but he throws an INT

I am quite sure that is why Debol was over talking to him on the bench about "taking what the defense gives you"

 

Its was a bad game for him

its over

Moving on

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8 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Watch Brady though, his feet are dancing all over the place when he is looking to throw

The difference is his feet are adjusting to allow him to throw properly with almost no wasted movement or sometime even stride forward and he can make throws simply from torquing his hips strongly.

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1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I am quite sure that is why Debol was over talking to him on the bench about "taking what the defense gives you"

 

Its was a bad game for him

its over

Moving on

It's not over if he continually makes the same mistakes.  For instance, even though he's only played about a full season of games, he's been told numerous times to slide on runs.  Last season he started correcting this.  This year, he's back to diving on every run.  Last year he had numerous instances where he should have thrown the ball away instead of attempting to make something out of a nothing passing situation.  Allen's undoubtedly been coached on this continually, along with such things as footwork. Those problems have resurfaced like they've never been addressed previously.  One has to learn and grow from their mistakes.  There's obviously a major problem if that doesn't occur.  It's a difficult course, Josh.  Good luck.   

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1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Funny how people pissing on Allen forget how bad Brady looked yesterday. 

 

I'm not justifying Allen's performance...just pointing out that, at this point in the season, two of the very best defenses were on the field yesterday and both quarterbacks...BOTH OF THEM...had crappy games.

 

But Brady didn't hand the game to the Bills, did he.       He did the smart, veteran thing (no hero ball) and let Allen do the heavy lifting for them...

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5 hours ago, GG said:

 

I will not fault him for the decision to throw the ball to a WR who beat the CB deep.  I will fault him for the godawful base from which he made that throw.

Here's a scenario. You're playing pickup basketball. Game is tied and you need a basket to win. On your team you have one of the best and worst guys. The scrub is under the rim wide open and the star player is open for a jump shot, who do you give the ball to?  That's my feeling of that play.

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3 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

But Brady didn't hand the game to the Bills, did he.       He did the smart, veteran thing (no hero ball) and let Allen do the heavy lifting for them...

Yeah your right one is the goat twenty yr vet the other is barely in yr two 

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19 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

It's not over if he continually makes the same mistakes.  For instance, even though he's only played about a full season of games, he's been told numerous times to slide on runs.  Last season he started correcting this.  This year, he's back to diving on every run.  Last year he had numerous instances where he should have thrown the ball away instead of attempting to make something out of a nothing passing situation.  Allen's undoubtedly been coached on this continually, along with such things as footwork. Those problems have resurfaced like they've never been addressed previously.  One has to learn and grow from their mistakes.  There's obviously a major problem if that doesn't occur.  It's a difficult course, Josh.  Good luck.   

I mean the game is over.....

 

We will see what the future holds

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As others have said, I can’t totally fault Allen for not seeing Gore’s defender slip because his primary read on the play was Zay Jones... and he had him. The problem is Allen held the ball. Off of play action, he looks to Zay, sees the safety isn’t in position to break up the pass, so he had to let it go right then. Zay obviously had separation (or was on his way to getting it) which makes the decision to launch an anticipatory throw all the better. Throw the ball to a spot, let him run under it. Would Zay have made the catch? Now that’s debatable. 

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As bad as Josh was yesterday, if he hadn't been knocked out of the game I firmly believe he would have been clutch in crunch time and won the game.

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9 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Ford is REALLY bad.

 

I don't think I've seen anything positive out of him yet.

 

 

Everyone was super excited about a pancake block he had on a TD run a couple of weeks ago. 

 

I said in preseason, this dude is not well adapted to handle the edge. He needs to be moved inside for the remainder of the year. 

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9 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Gores man fell down on the play.  Saw it live.  Would have been a huge gain. 

Looks like he didn't go through further progressions to the left - have we seen him do this??

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10 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

 

The big thing I see in two of those clips is that our RT can't give him Josh any time and he's rushing his reads/throws.  

 

One of Josh's biggest problems right now is having Ford at RT (it killed Barkley as well)...

 

 

I know they will say but gore was open well so was jones but the pressure comes to him as he is tryin to deliver the pass to jones and isn't able to step into the throw

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