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4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I really was shocked that DiMarco had almost 50% of the offensive snaps.  That was over 3x what his 2018 usage was.

What has me wondering is this, is this going to be a normal thing or was it something Daboll used to attack the Jets specifically?

 

Giants studying Bills tape from last week will have to game plan for this, it wouldn't shock me at all if Daboll abandons the FB role for 

something different.

 

What's confusing me about the FB position is if it was planned to be important this year how come DiMarco was the only FB in camp?

As of now, I'm not convinced that DiMarco is going to continue to be used in such a large role.

Personally I haven't been a fan of DiMarco and it will be interesting how he is used against the Gmen.

 

 

I think it will change somewhat week to week.

 

I think the Bills (and rightfully so) saw a big advantage to trying to keep the Jets in a base defense with 3 LBs because they only had 1 in Mosley with any experience or talent.  I think DiMarco does that, but some TEs do not - they Jets May prefer nickel in that case.

 

It looked like by keeping DiMarco in the game and spreading him to the outside you limited some of the Jets exotic blitz schemes and they had a better idea of what Jamal Adams was going to do.

 

Basically you are playing the Jets 10 on 10 up front, but you know their coverage and have limited their blitzing.  Sounds like a win win.  

 

I think the Giants have similar weaknesses to the Jets, but the entire Defense is not as good.  I would not be surprised to see some of the same, but also a few different spreads to attack a weaker secondary.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

I think it will change somewhat week to week.

 

I think the Bills (and rightfully so) saw a big advantage to trying to keep the Jets in a base defense with 3 LBs because they only had 1 in Mosley with any experience or talent.  I think DiMarco does that, but some TEs do not - they Jets May prefer nickel in that case.

 

It looked like by keeping DiMarco in the game and spreading him to the outside you limited some of the Jets exotic blitz schemes and they had a better idea of what Jamal Adams was going to do.

 

Basically you are playing the Jets 10 on 10 up front, but you know their coverage and have limited their blitzing.  Sounds like a win win.  

 

I think the Giants have similar weaknesses to the Jets, but the entire Defense is not as good.  I would not be surprised to see some of the same, but also a few different spreads to attack a weaker secondary.

 

 

 

What is scary is having a Bills Offense and Coordinator dictating to an NFL teams defense!

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20 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Sweeney had three critical blocks in the Jet game, more than DiMarco, and in less snaps. 

 

Sweeney is by far the better player.  The issue is if the Bills went 1RB (Singletary) and 2 TE (Knox and Sweeney) - how do the Jets defend that versus how they defended the 2RB x 1TE sets.

 

My guess is they counter the 2 TEs by going to a Nickel look - taking 1 LB out and using a Safety or extra DB instead.  I think that Greg Williams has showed over the years that in nickel - especially with good safety play - he can design and blitz as needed.  

 

I do not think the plan was we have DiMarco and he is a great mismatch - I think DiMarco was there just to keep the defense in base - the rest of the offense had a big advantage versus base.  If the Jets had tried to counter and go Nickel - then I think the Bills line up tight and try to run the ball using DiMarco as a lead.  If they stayed Base (as the Jets did) - move him outside and we can attack 10 on 10 with our WRs against their depleted CBs.

 

Interestingly I think the Giants have the same weakness as the Jets and less talent upfront - so I expect some different formations and more running this week.

 

Just my opinion.

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Just now, Rochesterfan said:

 

Sweeney is by far the better player.  The issue is if the Bills went 1RB (Singletary) and 2 TE (Knox and Sweeney) - how do the Jets defend that versus how they defended the 2RB x 1TE sets.

 

My guess is they counter the 2 TEs by going to a Nickel look - taking 1 LB out and using a Safety or extra DB instead.  I think that Greg Williams has showed over the years that in nickel - especially with good safety play - he can design and blitz as needed.  

 

I do not think the plan was we have DiMarco and he is a great mismatch - I think DiMarco was there just to keep the defense in base - the rest of the offense had a big advantage versus base.  If the Jets had tried to counter and go Nickel - then I think the Bills line up tight and try to run the ball using DiMarco as a lead.  If they stayed Base (as the Jets did) - move him outside and we can attack 10 on 10 with our WRs against their depleted CBs.

 

Interestingly I think the Giants have the same weakness as the Jets and less talent upfront - so I expect some different formations and more running this week.

 

Just my opinion.

This is also counting it as a two TE offense, with Smith or Knox already out there. You bring Sweeney in instead of DiMarco I highly doubt they bring in an extra DB. He's a rookie and known as a blocker and not for his speed. It's still the same defense IMO.

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43 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

This is also counting it as a two TE offense, with Smith or Knox already out there. You bring Sweeney in instead of DiMarco I highly doubt they bring in an extra DB. He's a rookie and known as a blocker and not for his speed. It's still the same defense IMO.

 

The idea is you line up with dimarco in the backfield with gore - if they give you a look you like you can just snap it.  If they stack the box, or stack their line inside, you just spread it out and identify the matchup.  Sweeney is not lining up in the backfield as a FB, so its a different look that you'll get.

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2 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

Not at all .... 

 

 

Then what's your response to dave shooting down your ignorant hypothesis about Gilbride and TE usage?

 

1. You didn't know the Bills weren't running the run and shoot in 2003........which is absurd.

2.  You were obviously just angry that I pointed out the similarity of that 21 personnel heavy team and what we saw Sunday so you just made up some sh*t to argue with me.

 

There it is.

 

 

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I’d like to see them try it with Gore/Singeltary in the backfield together. Or even a TE as an H-back type of player.

 

Would be a little more dangerous than putting DiMarco out there, Although he did have a couple decent catches.

 

I really believe they’ll be much lore like a New England where they have similar routes/plays they run, but change up the personnel and formations they run those plays out of every week based on their opponent. 

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16 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

The idea is you line up with dimarco in the backfield with gore - if they give you a look you like you can just snap it.  If they stack the box, or stack their line inside, you just spread it out and identify the matchup.  Sweeney is not lining up in the backfield as a FB, so its a different look that you'll get.

I agree but it is the same thing. If he is in and inline or as a wingback on one side you are in a two TE running set, with one back. It can go to either side. If they line up and stack the box, the same exact thing occurs, and you can split him out to either side, which is what they did with DiMarco. Then the D is faced with either a LB or a S out there to cover him depending on the D they called. There is seemingly no difference, except you have a threat, Sweeney.

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1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

This is also counting it as a two TE offense, with Smith or Knox already out there. You bring Sweeney in instead of DiMarco I highly doubt they bring in an extra DB. He's a rookie and known as a blocker and not for his speed. It's still the same defense IMO.

 

 

I don’t know - they might or thy might not have stayed he same.  For me if the Bills lined up with 1 RB/2 TE (Sweeney/Knox) - I would bring in an extra DB (Safety) to cover Knox - much more likely to be passing formation, but the Jets may have also stayed base. 

 

What we do know is that using DiMarco did keep them in base and accomplished what Daboll and JA wanted to get for looks. 

 

 

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The hate for Dimarco is so confusing to me. What exactly has he done or not done for so many people to demand he leave the team? They even want non-fullbacks to line up as a fullback just so we don't play Dimarco.

 

Here's an idea: maybe the best one on the team at playing fullback is ... the fullback.

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13 minutes ago, MJS said:

The hate for Dimarco is so confusing to me. What exactly has he done or not done for so many people to demand he leave the team? They even want non-fullbacks to line up as a fullback just so we don't play Dimarco.

 

Here's an idea: maybe the best one on the team at playing fullback is ... the fullback.

I think that a large portion of fans do not like him or want him as you say, and an equally large portion like him and want him they just do not want to see him on 50% of the offensive plays, and especially split out SO much because he is no threat. He's great on ST and a great process and locker room guy. I don't hate him at all, I just don't like that trade off.

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1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I agree but it is the same thing. If he is in and inline or as a wingback on one side you are in a two TE running set, with one back. It can go to either side. If they line up and stack the box, the same exact thing occurs, and you can split him out to either side, which is what they did with DiMarco. Then the D is faced with either a LB or a S out there to cover him depending on the D they called. There is seemingly no difference, except you have a threat, Sweeney.

 

Depending on how the D lines up though, you're looking at likely getting a hat on mosely in the hole vs. him free running into the gaps if there is no lead blocker.  Difference of a few yards on a running play most likely - especially with gore.

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2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Depending on how the D lines up though, you're looking at likely getting a hat on mosely in the hole vs. him free running into the gaps if there is no lead blocker.  Difference of a few yards on a running play most likely - especially with gore.

With an extra TE to one side I imagine an interior OL gets Mosley and Sweeney gets the OLB. 

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1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

With an extra TE to one side I imagine an interior OL gets Mosley and Sweeney gets the OLB. 

 

I guess?  I think a lot of it has to do with forcing the defense to make on the fly adjustments.  They line up I or offset and see what they get, if they don't like it then motion.  

 

I know you can do the same thing with the TEs but we may prefer running out of I or offset I in those situations.  Could also be something we saw on greggo's film that makes the checks really easy and obvious to read.  

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On 9/10/2019 at 4:09 PM, BearNorth said:

Duke Williams has the size to be a decent blocker in 21, not sure why he's not a better option than DiMarco in 21

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I hope you understand, if we replace DiMarco with Duke we're no longer playing 21? 

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2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I agree but it is the same thing. If he is in and inline or as a wingback on one side you are in a two TE running set, with one back. It can go to either side. If they line up and stack the box, the same exact thing occurs, and you can split him out to either side, which is what they did with DiMarco. Then the D is faced with either a LB or a S out there to cover him depending on the D they called. There is seemingly no difference, except you have a threat, Sweeney.

 

 

Ultimately the reason that a second TE is the modern replacement to a FB "21 personnel" is because your passing game is definitely better off with the extra TE.

 

Are you better off in the run game with a FB than an extra TE?   Not in most circumstances.

 

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I think that we using 21 personnel so much vs. the Jets shows how weak their secondary was, and the value McD places on DiMarco, and the inexperience of our TEs.

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