Albany,n.y. Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: In fact, studies have shown that LOSING out of conference games can actually HELP our playoff odds if/when it comes down to tie breakers. Here's why that statement is ridiculous: If they had won the out of conference game that they lost, the team in this example wouldn't have needed a tie breaker. Can an out of conference loss hurt you less than an in conference &/or in division loss? Yes, but a loss is a loss when computing W-L records, and the team with more wins & fewer losses is going to be ahead in the standings over teams with fewer wins & more losses regardless of who they beat & lost to. The answer-Limit your losses to fewer than the next best team in your conference & you won't have to worry about tie breakers. A loss by itself NEVER helps your playoff chances or position. You can tank a game & get rid of a rival, by having the team that you let beat you leapfrog a tougher rival, but that can only happen if you've already secured your playoff position. No loss can ever help your own team's playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Here's why that statement is ridiculous Somebody needs to have his sarcasm detector repaired... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Here's why that statement is ridiculous: If they had won the out of conference game that they lost, the team in this example wouldn't have needed a tie breaker. Can an out of conference loss hurt you less than an in conference &/or in division loss? Yes, but a loss is a loss when computing W-L records, and the team with more wins & fewer losses is going to be ahead in the standings over teams with fewer wins & more losses regardless of who they beat & lost to. The answer-Limit your losses to fewer than the next best team in your conference & you won't have to worry about tie breakers. A loss by itself NEVER helps your playoff chances or position. You can tank a game & get rid of a rival, by having the team that you let beat you leapfrog a tougher rival, but that can only happen if you've already secured your playoff position. No loss can ever help your own team's playoff spot. I'm not going to rehash this again. Not after it was mathematically PROVEN. Read this and catch up with the rest of the class. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I'm not going to rehash this again. Not after it was mathematically PROVEN. Read this and catch up with the rest of the class. Your math doesn't add up. If you don't lose the game there is no tie breaker. WAKE UP! It's pretty simple. A 10-6 team gets in over a 9-7 team EVERY TIME unless you're talking about a team that wins a weaker division & in that case there is no out of division tie breaker. Edited September 12, 2019 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 I thought folks from Albany were smarter than this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Your math doesn't add up. If you don't lose the game there is no tie breaker. WAKE UP! It's pretty simple. A 10-6 team gets in over a 9-7 team EVERY TIME unless you're talking about a team that wins a weaker division & in that case there is no out of division tie breaker. Not if that 10-6 team got all its wins playing out of conference opponents. Read the thread. The whole thread then get back to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Not if that 10-6 team got all its wins playing out of conference opponents. Read the thread. The whole thread then get back to me. Are you really that math challenged ? A 10-6 team involved in a tie breaker with a 9-7 team wins the tie breaker 100% of the time because THERE IS NO TIE BREAKER. The only time the 9-7 gets a playoff spot over a 10-6 team is when they are in different divisions and the tie breakers get the 9-7 team a division title. In that case the 9-7 team is breaking a tie with another 9-7 team in their division, not with the 10-6 team. The 10-6 team still wins any tie breaker with the remaining 9-7 team. It's NEVER better to get into a tie breaker scenario if you can win another game & not be involved in a tie breaker. Come On Man! Edited September 12, 2019 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 ...and meanwhile back to some bills/giants news Giants’ mission vs. Buffalo Bills: Stifle QB Josh Allen without blitzing him Despite only six teams in the NFL blitzing more often than coordinator James Bettcher’s defense Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, the Giants generated less pressures than any team in the NFL in Week 1. Josh Allen, entering his second season as the Bills’ starter, produced a 118.8 passer rating against pressure in a Week 1 comeback victory over the Jets. If blitzing Allen isn’t going to rattle him, and the Giants are struggling for the second consecutive season to generate any meaningful pressure on the quarterback, New York is going to have to flip the script in its home opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, eball said: I thought folks from Albany were smarter than this... If you can't figure out 10-6 is better than 9-7 you need to retake math. His replies indicate he really believes this & isn't joking. Edited September 12, 2019 by Albany,n.y. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said: If you can't figure out 10-6 is better than 9-7 you need to retake math. No need to be rude, people are just trying to help you understand this simple concept. You're just not getting it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Are you really that math challenged ? A 10-6 team involved in a tie breaker with a 9-7 team wins the tie breaker 100% of the time because THERE IS NO TIE BREAKER. The only time the 9-7 gets a playoff spot over a 10-6 team is when they are in different divisions and the tie breakers get the 9-7 team a division title. In that case the 9-7 team is breaking a tie with another 9-7 team in their division, not with the 10-6 team. The 10-6 team still wins any tie breaker with the remaining 9-7 team. It's NEVER better to get into a tie breaker scenario if you can win another game & not be involved in a tie breaker. Come On Man! Don't feed the trolls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: ...and meanwhile back to some bills/giants news Giants’ mission vs. Buffalo Bills: Stifle QB Josh Allen without blitzing him Despite only six teams in the NFL blitzing more often than coordinator James Bettcher’s defense Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, the Giants generated less pressures than any team in the NFL in Week 1. Josh Allen, entering his second season as the Bills’ starter, produced a 118.8 passer rating against pressure in a Week 1 comeback victory over the Jets. If blitzing Allen isn’t going to rattle him, and the Giants are struggling for the second consecutive season to generate any meaningful pressure on the quarterback, New York is going to have to flip the script in its home opener. Are you sure that stat is correct? I mean, we all read in this very forum how Gregg Williams was gonna bring the heat and rattle Josh Allen all afternoon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Just now, SWATeam said: No need to be rude, people are just trying to help you understand this simple concept. You're just not getting it. I get it completely. If you have the same records tie breakers can go to conference records. But it never helps to lose a game. If a team wins that out of conference game there is no tie breaker-You and your math challenged friends are the ones not getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, SWATeam said: No need to be rude, people are just trying to help you understand this simple concept. You're just not getting it. Can someone else try and explain it to @Albany,n.y. ?? Maybe a fresh voice could help him understand it more better because hes not getting it. @4merper4mer can you break it down for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: I get it completely. If you have the same records tie breakers can go to conference records. But it never helps to lose a game. If a team wins that out of conference game there is no tie breaker-You and your math challenged friends are the ones not getting it. Did you read the thread that @Jauronimo linked to though? It's pretty clear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 This is the classic that started it all... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Can someone else try and explain it to @Albany,n.y. ?? Maybe a fresh voice could help him understand it more better because hes not getting it. @4merper4mer can you break it down for him? There's only so much you can do. You can lead @Albany,n.y. to water but you can't make him drink. I think we can all agree that this is an important game to lose. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Albany,n.y. Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, sullim4 said: This is the classic that started it all... OK. I didn't see it was Ieatcrayonz who started this. I wasn't about to read 10 pages. Sorry I didn't get the joke. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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