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Just now, BullBuchanan said:


Cheap? In what world is $7.5 million dollars for a guy that couldn't play, who averages 4.5 sacks a year, cheap?

They got baited hard and everyone else is laughing at them.

And if he puts up 8-10 sacks this season are you going to admit that youre an idiot and that other posters are laughing at you.😎  I think he is a good player if he stays healthy.  It was a gamble and still may pay off.

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Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

And if he puts up 8-10 sacks this season are you going to admit that youre an idiot and that other posters are laughing at you.😎  I think he is a good player if he stays healthy.  It was a gamble and still may pay off.

 

I will absolutely do that. There's an approaching zero percent chance that happens. He's a 28 year old one year wonder. So far the bills have paid him over $500k per tackle. Killer ROI. 

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1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well we paid him 7.5 million to not play last year. It might even be worse by the time he misses half of this season. Want me to break it down per snap?

 

that is sunk money, it's gone

 

he looked fine when available last year

 

I'm not a fan of signing players with an injury history. (Kroft, Murphy etc) but tell the facts.

 

Pulling numbers out of thin air is for amateurs.

 

Trent Murphy was signed to a mid level DE contract. Trent Murphy failed in year one relative to his pay.

He was also coming off of a bad injury.

 

Trent Murphy's cap hit is 6.5 should Buffalo cut him, it's 8.7 million should they keep him.

What do you think DEs that can get 6-10 sacks a year go for?

 

He needs to be better this year. If in camp he can not, cut him, or sit him on IR, pay him this year, free up space and bring in the next man up.

 

I wanted Winovich or Fergusen bad in the draft for just this reason.

 

I'm no Murphy fan boy, but he looked good when available, and is not breaking the bank.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I will absolutely do that. There's an approaching zero percent chance that happens. He's a 28 year old one year wonder. So far the bills have paid him over $500k per tackle. Killer ROI. 

He has already done it in his career.  So please tell me how you came to your percentage.  Id really like that info.  Aaron Donald gets over 1 mil per sack I believe.

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1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

that is sunk money, it's gone

 

he looked fine when available last year

 

I'm not a fan of signing players with an injury history. (Kroft, Murphy etc) but tell the facts.

 

Pulling numbers out of thin air is for amateurs.

 

Trent Murphy was signed to a mid level DE contract. Trent Murphy failed in year one relative to his pay.

He was also coming off of a bad injury.

 

Trent Murphy's cap hit is 6.5 should Buffalo cut him, it's 8.7 million should they keep him.

What do you think DEs that can get 6-10 sacks a year go for?

 

He needs to be better this year. If in camp he can not, cut him, or sit him on IR, pay him this year, free up space and bring in the next man up.

 

I wanted Winovich or Fergusen bad in the draft for just this reason.

 

I'm no Murphy fan boy, but he looked good when available, and is not breaking the bank.

 

 

He's being paid a contract as a 10 sack per year guy as he's not. Worse yet, he's not healthy and the Bills either knew that and paid him anyway, or they didn't and they're incompetent. You pick. And at what point did he look "fine" last year?

If you pay for a car over 3 years but you don't get to have it until the second year do you still consider it paying $300 a month? He ate up our cap and wasted a roster spot for a whole season.

Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

He has already done it in his career.  So please tell me how you came to your percentage.  Id really like that info.

Because You don't predict future results off of statistical outliers. If you take away his one big contract year you get an average of 3.33 sacks per year. If you don't want to do that because it was a real season he played in where he got 9 sacks, you end up with Albert Haynesworth.

The kid just isn't starting material.

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2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

He's being paid a contract as a 10 sack per year guy as he's not. Worse yet, he's not healthy and the Bills either knew that and paid him anyway, or they didn't and they're incompetent. You pick. And at what point did he look "fine" last year?

If you pay for a car over 3 years but you don't get to have it until the second year do you still consider it paying $300 a month? He ate up our cap and wasted a roster spot for a whole season.

Im really starting to realize what the Bull in your name stands for.

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Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

Im really starting to realize what the Bull in your name stands for.


Still hoping for an original thought. Don't live down to my expectations.

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7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

He's being paid a contract as a 10 sack per year guy as he's not. Worse yet, he's not healthy and the Bills either knew that and paid him anyway, or they didn't and they're incompetent. You pick. And at what point did he look "fine" last year?

If you pay for a car over 3 years but you don't get to have it until the second year do you still consider it paying $300 a month? He ate up our cap and wasted a roster spot for a whole season.

Because You don't predict future results off of statistical outliers. If you take away his one big contract year you get an average of 3.33 sacks per year. If you don't want to do that because it was a real season he played in where he got 9 sacks, you end up with Albert Haynesworth.

The kid just isn't starting material.

Trey Flowers is getting 18 mil a year after a 7.5 sack season.

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:


Still hoping for an original thought. Don't live down to my expectations.

Youve obviously come up with some original math.  Who was you math teacher?  Nancy Pelosi?

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1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:


Still hoping for an original thought. Don't live down to my expectations.

 

Let’s see what he can do when fully healthy. He needed to be physically and mentally ready, and I’ll not judge until after this season. Maybe it was indeed a mistake, and maybe not. I’m not hovering over anyone looking to harp on every single mistake they make at work. THAT would be horrible management. You are judged on the body of your work. Some people don’t understand that. 

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Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

Trey Flowers is getting 18 mil a year after a 7.5 sack season.

 

Consistency and availability. He put up 7, 6.5, 7.5 and I'm sure if he's getting that based on a lot of tape and analytics showing he's capable of far more.

Meanwhile Trent has 2.5, 3.5, 9, and 4 and happened to be 2 years older at the time of his deal with one year less of league inflation.

I'm not saying that $18 for Flowers isn't outrageous, as I think it is, but he's also a vastly superior talent. Kinda Apples/Oranges.

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4 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Trey Flowers is getting 18 mil a year after a 7.5 sack season.

Youve obviously come up with some original math.  Who was you math teacher?  Nancy Pelosi?

 

It’s hard to argue with people who have made up their minds and won’t listen to reason. Was it value last year? No, probably not. Let’s see how it plays out. 

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2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Consistency and availability. He put up 7, 6.5, 7.5 and I'm sure if he's getting that based on a lot of tape and analytics showing he's capable of far more.

Meanwhile Trent has 2.5, 3.5, 9, and 4 and happened to be 2 years older at the time of his deal with one year less of league inflation.

I'm not saying that $18 for Flowers isn't outrageous, as I think it is, but he's also a vastly superior talent. Kinda Apples/Oranges.

9 before the injury is the important one.

 

I disagree, he just wasnt coming off a major injury.  If Murphy really is 100% the Treys numbers wont be as good and hes making more than twice as much.

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Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

9 before the injury is the important one.


I'll happily take 4 if you think he'll hit 9 sacks again. Do you think they'd push so hard for Ziggy Ansah just to be a rotational player if they actually believed Murphy was who they thought he was?

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3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:


I'll happily take 4 if you think he'll hit 9 sacks again. Do you think they'd push so hard for Ziggy Ansah just to be a rotational player if they actually believed Murphy was who they thought he was?

You always look to get better. On any given day, at any position. 

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12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

He's being paid a contract as a 10 sack per year guy as he's not. Worse yet, he's not healthy and the Bills either knew that and paid him anyway, or they didn't and they're incompetent. You pick. And at what point did he look "fine" last year?

If you pay for a car over 3 years but you don't get to have it until the second year do you still consider it paying $300 a month? He ate up our cap and wasted a roster spot for a whole season.

Because You don't predict future results off of statistical outliers. If you take away his one big contract year you get an average of 3.33 sacks per year. If you don't want to do that because it was a real season he played in where he got 9 sacks, you end up with Albert Haynesworth.

The kid just isn't starting material.

 

 10 sack a year DEs don't get paid only 7-9 million a year.

 

Demarcus Lawrence has exactly 2 years of 10+ sack production out of 5 years and got 5 yrs, 105 million and 65 million guaranteed.

Trent Murphy had one year of 9.0 sack production in three years and got 3 years and 21 million.

 

It is in line.

 

We agree, chasing players with significant injury histories and one or two years of production is not ideal.

 

But making it sound like the Bills 'broke the bank' on this guy is equally ridiculous. He is a 'roll the dice' type of player.

 

The Bills had more money than FAs willing to sign the year the deal was made. They still have @ $50 million next year.

 

A team has to spend to a minimum, so why not roll the dice.

 

I'm not a fan of the signing, but I understand why it was done, and I wish him well this year.

 

 

15 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Trey Flowers is getting 18 mil a year after a 7.5 sack season.

Youve obviously come up with some original math.  Who was you math teacher?  Nancy Pelosi?

 

Common Core obviously....

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30 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:


I'll happily take 4 if you think he'll hit 9 sacks again. Do you think they'd push so hard for Ziggy Ansah just to be a rotational player if they actually believed Murphy was who they thought he was?

 

Believe it or not he hit 4 last year.

 

I see 6-8 this year, if healthy

 

that is the big if

 

Ziggy is washed up, and has a lot more issues IMO.

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5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:


I'll happily take 4 if you think he'll hit 9 sacks again. Do you think they'd push so hard for Ziggy Ansah just to be a rotational player if they actually believed Murphy was who they thought he was?

They obviously didnt push to hard, he didnt sign here now did he.

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2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

They obviously didnt push to hard, he didnt sign here now did he.

He got more money else where. The reason he isn't here. 

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22 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

McD put a lot of his eggs in the Murphy basket, which could end badly.  Though I hope Trent is the edge/DE they envisioned he'd be because the Bills need it.

6 years 100 million. Now that was all the eggs in the Williams basket. 3 years 21 million is like a couple peeps in the Murphy basket👯‍♀️. If he has a good year that will be a good discount. If not, no one will remember or even care about the signing/contract after next year...

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Give Murphy one more year...no excuses now. We need help and production from the edge. Lets see what he can do. I don't feel he is any long term solution anyway. The Bills will be addressing this in the near future.

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The Bills defense was pretty good last year and it had nothing to do with Trent Murphy. The Bills still have plenty of cap space so Murphy hasn’t hurt them there either. So as I see it he’s like a ‘free’ free agent this year. I see no downside here. I’m rooting for the guy to be a surprise addition! Go Bills

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41 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

Give Murphy one more year...no excuses now. We need help and production from the edge. Lets see what he can do. I don't feel he is any long term solution anyway. The Bills will be addressing this in the near future.

 

No they should just cut him now because of last year. :rolleyes:

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Just now, Doc said:

 

No they should just cut him now because of last year. :rolleyes:

Well, I felt the same way myself not long ago...but if we can squeeze some production from him why not? The DE position concerns me the most.

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1 hour ago, badassgixxer05 said:

6 years 100 million. Now that was all the eggs in the Williams basket. 3 years 21 million is like a couple peeps in the Murphy basket👯‍♀️. If he has a good year that will be a good discount. If not, no one will remember or even care about the signing/contract after next year...

 

It Isn't financial as much as it is positional commitment.  The F.O. did not really address the DE/edge position this offseason.  Given Murphy's health track record, that is a big gamble.

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