John Wawrow: "better chance of the Bills moving up for a player than moving back"

[Nextmanup]

Unfortunately, Wawrow is probably right.

 

These guys are more apt to trade UP than DOWN.

 

[papazoid]

I could see TB at #5 moving down......that's about it.....not sure who or why the bills would go after at that spot

 

I think Buf will stay at #9 only if Hockenson is still there. otherwise trade down, no more than 5 spots....so many viable options there.

 

to me, Hockenson will be a perennial pro bowler vs the 5th/6th best D-lineman will only become a solid starter

[PIZ]

2 minutes ago, papazoid said:

I could see TB at #5 moving down......that's about it.....not sure who or why the bills would go after at that spot

 

I think Buf will stay at #9 only if Hockenson is still there. otherwise trade down, no more than 5 spots....so many viable options there.

 

to me, Hockenson will be a perennial pro bowler vs the 5th/6th best D-lineman will only become a solid starter

 

I agree with you.  Trade up with Tampa Bay or no trade up at all.  They already have the history with TB.  I think they would only trade up for Josh Allen or Nick Bosa.

 

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

I think this makes sense just because we are running out of roster spots already and we have 7 picks on Day 3. Not everyone is making this roster.

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

I think this makes sense just because we are running out of roster spots already and we have 7 picks on Day 3. Not everyone is making this roster.

 

I think those day 3 picks are more likely to be used as capital to move around the board on day 2 when I do expect the Bills to go up and down a fair bit to pick of specific targets.  My gut says that in round one they likely stay where they are but that is not certain.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think those day 3 picks are more likely to be used as capital to move around the board on day 2 when I do expect the Bills to go up and down a fair bit to pick of specific targets.  My gut says that in round one they likely stay where they are but that is not certain.

 

There will be movement for sure.

[DtownB2]

 

On 3/29/2019 at 4:16 PM, Reed83HOF said:

Yup. I just have a hunch it's Oliver. The other's will cost a bit more to move up from; for Oliver you need to go to maybe 6 or 7. McD was right there all in Oliver's drill yesterday & he has unreal athleticism, which is what they talk about with both Allen & Edmunds. 

 

Oliver could very well be there at 9, my guess is they trade up try and grab one of the elite TE's. If numerous QBs are taken round 1 then Fant could possibly drop to late first round/early second. Oliver and Fant would be two great additions.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

I could see TB at #5 moving down......that's about it.....not sure who or why the bills would go after at that spot

 

I think Buf will stay at #9 only if Hockenson is still there. otherwise trade down, no more than 5 spots....so many viable options there.

 

to me, Hockenson will be a perennial pro bowler vs the 5th/6th best D-lineman will only become a solid starter

 

If Raiders go Devin White at #4 that might mean Quinnen Williams is there at #5

[Reed83HOF]

39 minutes ago, DtownB2 said:

 

 

Oliver could very well be there at 9, my guess is they trade up try and grab one of the elite TE's. If numerous QBs are taken round 1 then Fant could possibly drop to late first round/early second. Oliver and Fant would be two great additions.

 

Lots of reports about Oliver going at pick 8 to either Detroit or a team who trades with the Lions to snag him. Also, there seems to be a lot of chatter that teams on there early boards have Oliver rated higher than most analysts and they see him as one of the top talents in the draft. If we really swing for the fences and try to move to number 2, I would be shocked and stunned... 

[PIZ]

I really think Brian Burns or Montez Sweat could be the pick if they stay at 9.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

Through his trade ups, it seems like Beane has created/used his surplus draft capital for the current year, not the future. It will be interesting to me to see if/when he trades up because he doesn't have all the additional picks this year so either that philosophy will change or we will get a clearer picture of what Beane values.  Given that we have a qb now, I think it's more likely we stand at 9 and take the best player for us. I also don't see us trading down because we need more talent now that we have filled the potholes in the roster  with some cold patch.

[Chuck Wagon]

17 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

If Raiders go Devin White at #4 that might mean Quinnen Williams is there at #5

 

 

Yep.  The Raiders, as always, are the wild card.  If they go someone like Haskins or White, it'll mean one of Bosa / Allen / Williams is available at 5.

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Lots of reports about Oliver going at pick 8 to either Detroit or a team who trades with the Lions to snag him. Also, there seems to be a lot of chatter that teams on there early boards have Oliver rated higher than most analysts and they see him as one of the top talents in the draft. If we really swing for the fences and try to move to number 2, I would be shocked and stunned... 

 

I suspect teams do and I can certainly see him going earlier. I'm just not sure where. He is in play as high as 49ers at the 2nd pick for me. I have him as the #2 player on my board.

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

I could see TB at #5 moving down......that's about it.....not sure who or why the bills would go after at that spot

 

I think Buf will stay at #9 only if Hockenson is still there. otherwise trade down, no more than 5 spots....so many viable options there.

 

to me, Hockenson will be a perennial pro bowler vs the 5th/6th best D-lineman will only become a solid starter

Rumors tend to suggest 49ers & Jests are looking to move move down. You could possibly throw the Giants in there if they really are going to ride on Eli (dumb move imo)

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I suspect teams do and I can certainly see him going earlier. I'm just not sure where. He is in play as high as 49ers at the 2nd pick for me. I have him as the #2 player on my board.

 

I have seen that ATL is a team that may move up for him as that fills a big need for them. As I chew on this (Oliver & jw saying a move up is more likely than a trade down) our 2 options are to either:

 

1.) move way up for Bosa/Williams (my completely uneducated and fan-based guess)

2.) move up high enough to prevent us getting leap frogged for Oliver. If this is truly who we are targeting, we will have to give up some picks to get him. As the teams below us have to know that we would run to the podium with the card

 

Our FOs due diligence will be understanding what conditions will be required to move up to any spot, just like last year we presumably had a deal to swap with Denver if their guy wasn't there; I suspect we will have to do the same here. If a team is looking to trade down, we have to guard against it. if we truly feel that strong about the player. Oliver is the only one I could see sliding a bit that makes sense for this. 

[SouthNYfan]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think those day 3 picks are more likely to be used as capital to move around the board on day 2 when I do expect the Bills to go up and down a fair bit to pick of specific targets.  My gut says that in round one they likely stay where they are but that is not certain.

 

Could also be used for a package if picks next year.

Say a team really wants Buffalo's 3rd, so they give them next year's third to swap with the bills and get their 4th this year (just using an example, not exact value approximation)

[Logic]

I keep hearing Beane talk about the "premium positions" in round 1.

One would tend to think edge rusher would trump 3T, but it certainly depends on how the board falls. They're not going to forego their #1 ranked 3T to take their #4 ranked edge rusher, for instance.

Is it April yet?

[N.Y. Orangeman]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I keep hearing Beane talk about the "premium positions" in round 1.

One would tend to think edge rusher would trump 3T, but it certainly depends on how the board falls. They're not going to forego their #1 ranked 3T to take their #4 ranked edge rusher, for instance.

Is it April yet?

I agree.  I believe they'd love to be able to take and end over a tackle.  Personally,  I'd love to take Simmonds in the 2nd if he falls.

[Logic]

10 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

I agree.  I believe they'd love to be able to take and end over a tackle.  Personally,  I'd love to take Simmonds in the 2nd if he falls.

Yeah. Based on the prospects at both positions this year, I feel more confident that they can get a quality DT in rounds 2-3 than an edge rusher. There seems to be a pretty big dropoff after the "big 4" edge guys. There seems to be much LESS of a dropoff from the 1st to the 2nd tier of DTs. Maybe that's just my perception.

Either way, I think all the rumors we've heard about the Bills' interest in Clowney, Clark, and Ogbah, not to mention their being one of the final four suitors for Mack last year, lead me to believe that edge rusher is their number 1 desire at this point. It makes sense, too. They've already addressed the other three "premium positions" with Allen, Dawkins, and White. Edge Rusher is the last "fundamental building block" left on the old shopping list.

[BuffAlone]

21 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

I agree.  I believe they'd love to be able to take and end over a tackle.  Personally,  I'd love to take Simmonds in the 2nd if he falls.

Simmons in the 2nd would be great. But he'll likely be out the year with his ACL injury. Not sure we have the luxury of red shirting a player with the depth of our roster needing addressed.