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With Gronk retiring and other major free agent loses the Patriots will be much weaker and vulnerable next year.

 

I reviewed Sportac NFL link and looked at the current TE and WR on the roster and it's worse then what the Bills had last year.

 

Of course the Patriots do have 6 picks in the first three rounds to rebuild, but also have serious holes to fill.

 

One Bills point in this is that we can assume Hockenson, Fant and Irv Smith will all be drafted in Round 1.  I believe this may alter the approach in the rest of free agency and in the draft.  My feeling is that the Bills make a move at DT now in FA, maybe even offering a pick for TB 3 technique tackle Gerald McCoy.  With the Bucs in dire cap status, they could move him to the Bills and pick up 13 million in cap space.  That would free up the Bills to draft a TE in round 1, if a trade down is viable select Hockenson (all purpose) or Fant (major downfield threat) with their first round pick and then BPA thru the rest of the draft.

 

 

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They have Brady and Billy Boy. Dont get silly on us man!

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2 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

They have Brady and Billy Boy. Dont get silly on us man!

 

It has to end at some point.  Billy is 66.  

 

They will be gone when Allen is in his prime. 

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Uhh, this makes me wonder what NE team YOU'VE  been watching for the past 7 yrs?!🤫😎

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3 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

Uhh, this makes me wonder what NE team YOU'VE  been watching for the past 7 yrs?!🤫😎

The one where Brady is QB and Billy Boy is coach....see above.

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2 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

Uhh, this makes me wonder what NE team YOU'VE  been watching for the past 7 yrs?!🤫😎

I've been watching the team with Gronk, Walker, Hogan, Cooks, Amendola etc.  How many of them are left.

 

Thats my point

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Seriously does feel like this is the beginning of the end of the ***Pats reign over the AFC East.

 

Allen needs to step his game up this year.

 

Go Bills!

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1 minute ago, RPbillsfan said:

I've been watching the team with Gronk, Walker, Hogan, Cooks, Amendola etc.  How many of them are left.

 

Thats my point

As long as Brady continues to play at the level he has they will be good.

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1 hour ago, RPbillsfan said:

I've been watching the team with Gronk, Walker, Hogan, Cooks, Amendola etc.  How many of them are left.

 

Thats my point

Clearly you havent my friend lol. Thats the point.

To a degree, it doesnt matter - next man up as long as TB and BB are there. 

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Losing Gronk is definitely a blow to the Patsies. But, unfortunately, since they still have Belichick and Brady I fully expect them to adapt and hardly miss a beat. 

 

Ive heard way too many times now that the Pats were going to struggle after losing (fill in the blank) and it has yet to really happen. So I’ll believe it when I see it at this point.

 

It does have to happen eventually though. I’d love for this to be the year it does, but I’m not holding my breath. 

 

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The key point in the topic is if the Bills were considering a TE in round 2, the three best will probably be drafted by pick 40.

 

The FA TE market is now dried up.  There is quality talent left at DT such as Suh and Wilkerson and the X factor of Gerald McCoy in Tampa possibly available in trade due to cap concerns.

 

To me, it seems that the Bills may alter their plans in the balance of pre-draft FA and may affect their draft plans.

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The patriots after 20 years of proving people wrong will find your post and use it as bulletin board material. The New England Patriots, your Feb. 2020 super bowl champs 

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I think we've conditioned ourselves to believe this is never going to end and Tom will indeed beat time. I can assure you that he will not.

 

While losing Gronk is a blow, I think they've been better without him than with him if memory serves. As long as Pedelman is around, I don't think they'll have a problem in terms of finding skill position players to match the EP system. 

 

It's not going to be the lack of skill position players that brings down this dynasty. It's going to be time. And the clock is nearing midnight.

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Just now, LSHMEAB said:

I think we've conditioned ourselves to believe this is never going to end and Tom will indeed beat time. I can assure you that he will not.

 

While losing Gronk is a blow, I think they've been better without him than with him if memory serves. As long as Pedelman is around, I don't think they'll have a problem in terms of finding skill position players to match the EP system. 

 

It's not going to be the lack of skill position players that brings down this dynasty. It's going to be time. And the clock is nearing midnight.

This^ Gronk was really a shell of his former self, and he frequently missed games the past few seasons. It definitely hurts the Pats, but he was no longer a reliable elite TE. That offense is more about controlling the line of scrimmage in the run game with Edelman moving the chains. 

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1 minute ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

They will be fine.

Any chance you could explain how.  Looking at their roster vs that of the Bills, which do you think is better

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Dont we go through this every year? “They lost so and so no way they are as good as they were last year” Then one more SB title later we repeat the process 

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1 minute ago, SirAndrew said:

This^ Gronk was really a shell of his former self, and he frequently missed games the past few seasons. It definitely hurts the Pats, but he was no longer a reliable elite TE. That offense is more about controlling the line of scrimmage in the run game with Edelman moving the chains. 

Yes with Gronk doing amazing blocking, who's gonna do that now

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Must be groundhog day again!  Every every flippin year its predicted the end will happen next coming season etc etc etc.....no it will not....Marcia & Co (whoever the Company is with him) will win the AFCE as usual....stroll into the playoffs as usual....and there is a very very good chance they will go to the SB as usual......Ive seen this movie way too many times.....the end will be a reality when Princess officially announces his retirement.....

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Until the standings after the season show otherwise they will be back in the playoffs and still own the division.   This statement has been made for the past 7 years.  “They’re on the decline!”

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15 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

Yes with Gronk doing amazing blocking, who's gonna do that now

They will be fine. Their blocking scheme along with uncalled illegal picks and offensive line holding will keep things operating as usual. On a serious note, I agree his blocking will be missed. It wasn’t something I honestly thought of. With that said, I still believe they will continue to function just fine without Gronk’s blocking. Would have been a much bigger loss had he still been a game changer as a receiver. 

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It has almost nothing to do with the skill positions. As long as you have a certain level of competence at WR and TE, the QB can set you apart or make you average to below. Until Brady goes or declines dramatically , none of the other stuff will matter all that much .

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Position by position bills vs patriots

 

QB - Huge advantage Patriots

RB -  Close to even

OL -  Bills slight advantage

WR - Bills

TE -  Bills slight advantage

PK - Bills currently until Gostowski resigns

P  -  Patriots

ST - Patriots

DL - Bills

LB - Patriots

CB - Patriots

S.  - Even

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It has almost nothing to do with the skill positions. As long as you have a certain level of competence at WR and TE, the QB can set you apart or make you average to below. Until Brady goes or declines dramatically , none of the other stuff will matter all that much .

Look at the current Patriots roster at TE and WR, is that a competent group

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40 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

With Gronk retiring and other major free agent loses the Patriots will be much weaker and vulnerable next year.

 

I reviewed Sportac NFL link and looked at the current TE and WR on the roster and it's worse then what the Bills had last year.

 

Of course the Patriots do have 6 picks in the first three rounds to rebuild, but also have serious holes to fill.

 

One Bills point in this is that we can assume Hockenson, Fant and Irv Smith will all be drafted in Round 1.  I believe this may alter the approach in the rest of free agency and in the draft.  My feeling is that the Bills make a move at DT now in FA, maybe even offering a pick for TB 3 technique tackle Gerald McCoy.  With the Bucs in dire cap status, they could move him to the Bills and pick up 13 million in cap space.  That would free up the Bills to draft a TE in round 1, if a trade down is viable select Hockenson (all purpose) or Fant (major downfield threat) with their first round pick and then BPA thru the rest of the draft.

 

 

That wont make a significant difference unfortunately...the patriots offence is practically robotic its predicated on an entire roster of short shifty players who get open

aslong as bradys internal clock is okay they will keep chugging along...they will just keep finding edelman/welker clones. they always appear to struggle early then they tighten up like a well oiled machine.

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