JoeF Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: If there’s one team that has been masterful at their use of analytics it’s the Dolphins (sarcasm font). All the analytics in the world get blown up by a nut job owner......Stephen Ross = Dan Snyder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, MJS said: Why would an analytics guy be involved in contract negotiations? The cap has nothing to do with his job. You have no idea what his job was, how much influence he had, if he was respected, what good or bad moves he was involved in, etc. You can't just make such rash inferences without any information whatsoever. He took a job with a division rival. That to me says he was not super happy there,Cor happy with the direction the organization was heading. Analytics guys are using numbers and data to group players. They are using data to predict future performance based on certain traits. The only thing that we know are the results. It was a disaster in the Dolphins case. You don’t know if he had a lot or a little involvement. You do know that the results were bad. If he had had a little involvement that is a problem to me. I haven’t been in sports in almost 7 years but our analytics people had a big say. I can’t possibly see that being less now than it was then. There is so much more information and training for the role. The point is that we don’t know if he is bad or good. We know the results of his previous situation were bad. It is VERY fair to assume that he played a role in that. We just don’t know how big of a role. 5 minutes ago, JoeF said: All the analytics in the world get blown up by a nut job owner......Stephen Ross = Dan Snyder This is fair. Edited February 26, 2019 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: I think they had and still have some good talent outside of QB. I guess that we just disagree on this. I’m not a fan of the talent on the Dolphins (except the secondary). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: If he had no say, that is a problem. If he had a say, he did a bad job. EVERY analytics person has a voice in today’s professional sports. Gase didn’t pick players. This guys likely had as much to do with that as Gase. Now they are talking about tearing it down. I doubt this guy had much to do with Gase alienating their best RB, WR, and getting rid of Suh. And that great run they had in bringing in Cutler. Gase had a ton to do with the lack of talent down there and personnel decisions. That's why he is gone. Edited February 26, 2019 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 48 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: According to the good doctor himself in the video Yolo posted, neither of these posts are correct. His job is not 'just to run the numbers,' it's to come to conclusions based on those statistical models. And yes, he is involved with player acquisition/team-building. He is not a decision maker. He can come to whatever conclusions he wants about players, schemes, etc, but the coaches, GM, and management may or may not follow those conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Nerds But seriously, good for nerds for getting involved in football. I think the key is finding the balance between analytics and old fashion scouting. Sites like PFF have value but they often are very flawed in their analysis (not knowing playcalls or assignments for individual players is a big one). Also, in an emotional game like football, blind numbers don’t work like they do in baseball. still, what can it hurt if used in a vacuum. 1 hour ago, Rico said: I wonder if he is concerned that EJ had better stats his rookie year than Josh Allen did. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Nerds But seriously, good for nerds for getting involved in football. I think the key is finding the balance between analytics and old fashion scouting. Sites like PFF have value but they often are very flawed in their analysis (not knowing playcalls or assignments for individual players is a big one). Also, in an emotional game like football, blind numbers don’t work like they do in baseball. still, what can it hurt if used in a vacuum. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, teef said: One of the greatest pep talks in world history!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: According to the good doctor himself in the video Yolo posted, neither of these posts are correct. His job is not 'just to run the numbers,' it's to come to conclusions based on those statistical models. And yes, he is involved with player acquisition/team-building. He indicated that his role is similar to that of a scout, in terms of the weight of his voice. He does his part in terms of analytics and attributing meaning to the personnel and football decisions but he’s just presenting it to the decision makers as one of many pieces of data. What isn’t known is how much the Miami FO followed his recommendations. That’s the only way to determine how much he contributed to their success/talent or lack thereof. you can say the same of any member of the FO underneath the GM (or Gase in this case who had control over the 53) because that is whose name is tied to every decision. Hickey hired him in Miami and must think he’s good. Some teams don’t invest in analytics at all - like the chargers - so it’s a nice thing to have. Edited February 26, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Mike Schopp has got to love this hire. This dude is going to bring us a Super Bowl thru analytics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Does anyone know what this guy has that the prior MIT guy (who was fired) did not have . . . or was this just a case of firing a guy that was hired by someone else and bringing on someone else? Buffalo Bills Hired MIT Grad Mike Lyons in 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Peter said: Does anyone know what this guy has that the prior MIT guy (who was fired) did not have . . . or was this just a case of firing a guy that was hired by someone else and bringing on someone else? Buffalo Bills Hired MIT Grad Mike Lyons in 2013 My read on a superficial search was the old guy was a former Xerox market and pricing analytics guy. This new one seem like a football analytics guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Peter said: Does anyone know what this guy has that the prior MIT guy (who was fired) did not have . . . or was this just a case of firing a guy that was hired by someone else and bringing on someone else? Buffalo Bills Hired MIT Grad Mike Lyons in 2013 Lyons wasn’t hired to do football analytics. This guy has a sports analytics background. https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/25/bills-axe-analytics-staff/amp/ Edited February 26, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: i love taking away from divisional opponents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: i love taking away from divisional opponents Like Bledsoe? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Like Bledsoe? ? Better than Lossman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I think McB know what they're doing and what they want. I don't know if what they're doing will get the results we want, but they have a well defined idea of what they are doing and who they want. So the fact that this guy comes from a franchise that hasn't had a lot of success doesn't bother me. The guy wouldn't be coming if he didn't buy what McB are doing, and they wouldn't have taken him if he didn't look like a fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315Mafia Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: i like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 The montage of perspectives on this thread convinces me no one is an authority on analytics. Not even PHD’s. I’m not knocking it, it’s ‘brain analyzing stuff’, so it’s subject to interpretation. I hope he does well for us -however that’s assessed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I guess that we just disagree on this. I’m not a fan of the talent on the Dolphins (except the secondary). and RBs, and Oline, and th Dline aint bad either. As much as we dont like him kiko is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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