New York State abortion bill now allows babies, At any point of pregnancy, to be aborted

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The moral outrage is all theatre. The right wing doesn't give a snap about fetuses or anything. They are just latching onto this issue (which I get a lot of other people truly care about) to try and get some moral high ground which they totally lack on almost every other issue. The are pro-life but anti-healthcare, they are pro-life but want to take away asylum seekers rights, they are pro-life but want to put the squeeze on children getting public assistance. Donald Trump is now pro-life, I mean give me a break 

Most folks on the right would refuse to rob an innocent person to pay for another persons healthcare. A wrong for the right reason is still wrong.

[Tiberius]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

Most folks on the right would refuse to rob an innocent person to pay for another persons healthcare. A wrong for the right reason is still wrong.

Providing health care is theft to the right. Rhetoric used to cover hateful intent. The folks on the right, meanwhile, are enjoying their medicare with hardly a thought of who is paying for it, all while screaming Obamacare is murder! Morality play 

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Providing health care is theft to the right. Rhetoric used to cover hateful intent. The folks on the right, meanwhile, are enjoying their medicare with hardly a thought of who is paying for it, all while screaming Obamacare is murder! Morality play 

Putting a gun to the head of an American citizen to take his money and use it however you deem fit is theft and tyranny, yes.

 

Obamacare isn’t murder. It’s Playing Robin Hood For Dummies.

Edited January 24, 2019 by BringBackOrton

[TakeYouToTasker]

24 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I can’t think of a single situation in which a fetus would have to be murdered before being delivered to protect a woman’s physical health. 

 

If I remember correctly, you're a doctor, yes?

[Numark3]

5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You know what they say about opinions.

 

"Oh but doctor, my mental health won't allow me to care for this baby!"

 

" Well, fair enough, Susie! Let me go get my forceps."

 

 

 

Yea that’s unreasonable.  It is a conspiracy-level distrust if doctors.  Your problem isn’t with the law, it’s thinking doctors won’t be ethical and comply with it.

[Gary M]

37 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The are pro-life but anti-healthcare, 

 

obamacare was about insurance, not health care. You are still wrong.

[Numark3]

43 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I can’t think of a single situation in which a fetus would have to be murdered before being delivered to protect a woman’s physical health. 

 

Neither can I (though I can make one up: what about a non-viable fetus that would endanger the mother’s health if carried to full term.  Wouldn’t this fall under the definition of permitting late-term abortions under either scenario)  Are you doctor?  If so, is that the consensus of the medical field?  

 

I  cant think of a reason why a lot of medical complications might occur...because I’m not a doctor.  Doesn’t mean they aren’t true.

Edited January 24, 2019 by Crayola64

[BringBackOrton]

18 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

If I remember correctly, you're a doctor, yes?

Not an OBGYN, way too hair-raising for me.

[Gary M]

1 minute ago, Crayola64 said:

 

Yea that’s unreasonable.  It is a conspiracy-level distrust if doctors  Healthcare workers.  Your problem isn’t with the law, it’s thinking doctors  healthcare workers won’t be ethical and comply with it.

 

FIFY

 

The bill allows non doctors to perform abortions, "healthcare workers" IE  Abortion clinic employees.

 

So do I trust a PP employee to be ethical, absolutely not.

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

3 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

 

Yea that’s unreasonable.  It is a conspiracy-level distrust if doctors.  Your problem isn’t with the law, it’s thinking doctors won’t be ethical and comply with it.

 

No, it's not unreasonable.  It's un understanding of how laws are written, and interpreted; and an acknowledgement that medical professionals (not even doctors, with the advent of this new law) who work in abortion mills will choose to look for ways to expand the understanding of "health" in order to achieve their desired results.

3 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

FIFY

 

The bill allows non doctors to perform abortions, "healthcare workers" IE  Abortion clinic employees.

 

So do I trust a PP employee to be ethical, absolutely not.

 

 

Further, do you trust non-doctors to be able to make a determination about whether or not the "life or health" of the mother is threatened? 

[Tiberius]

36 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Putting a gun to the head of an American citizen to take his money and use it however you deem fit is theft and tyranny, yes.

 

Obamacare isn’t murder. It’s Playing Robin Hood For Dummies.

Nonsense. It's simply promoting the general welfare. You are pro-life but against healthcare. That is so hypocritical and fits into exactly the morality play I was describing. 

10 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

obamacare was about insurance, not health care. You are still wrong.

That is a distinction without a difference. Insurance for what? Healthcare? Yes 

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Nonsense. It's simply promoting the general welfare. You are pro-life but against healthcare. That is so hypocritical and fits into exactly the morality play I was describing. 

That is a distinction without a difference. Insurance for what? Healthcare? Yes 

I’m for healthcare. I think healthcare is important. I’m for eating right and not living beyond your means. Unfortunately, those are the responsibilities of the individual. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

 

Yea that’s unreasonable.  It is a conspiracy-level distrust if doctors.  Your problem isn’t with the law, it’s thinking doctors won’t be ethical and comply with it.

Except when it's not.

 

I remember when acceptance of gay marriage was the rage thing among progressives. I was told it was unreasonable to be opposed to the government forcing that upon us, that there was no slippery slope.

 

Until there was. Fast forward a decade, now we have tranny bathrooms, cake makers being bankrupted by overzealous homophiles in government, drag kids dancing for dollars in gay bars. Don't tell me the slippery slope isn't real. It is. If you give an inch of propriety and normalcy away to progressives, they'll take a yard. There can be no compromise on certain issues, and this is one of them. It's my fervent hope the Supreme Court hears a case based on this law and strikes it down, smiting that jackwagon Cuomo in the process.

 

 

[TH3]

14 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/andrew-cuomo-signs-bill-updating-new-yorks-abortion-law/

 

Disgusting.

 

Vile.

 

And those low life’s are on stage grinning about signing it into law.

 

 

 

14 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

We need to merge threads.

 

The people in NY and VT should be ashamed.

 

 

 

 

So - I take it you two have taken it upon yourselves to participate in adoption activities so unwanted pregnancies would be carried to term....perhaps you could tell us all about it....

[BringBackOrton]

14 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

 

Neither can I (though I can make one up: what about a non-viable fetus that would endanger the mother’s health if carried to full term.  Wouldn’t this fall under the definition of permitting late-term abortions under either scenario)  Are you doctor?  If so, is that the consensus of the medical field?  

 

I  cant think of a reason why a lot of medical complications might occur...because I’m not a doctor.  Doesn’t mean they aren’t true.

Well there’s no consensus of the heath-care field on this bill I can find. ACOG posted a memorandum of support last year, but they only spoke on protecting abortion as medical care, not a peep on the new language or guidelines.

 

Most doctors are like most people. They read what they want to read and ignore the rest. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, TH3 said:

 

 

So - I take it you two have taken it upon yourselves to participate in adoption activities so unwanted pregnancies would be carried to term....perhaps you could tell us all about it....

 

Always the clever retort. What's it like to be pro-murder, anyway?

[Tiberius]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

I’m for healthcare. I think healthcare is important. I’m for eating right and not living beyond your means. Unfortunately, those are the responsibilities of the individual. 

I'm for the government doing all it can to ensure as many Americans as possible have access to affordable health care so they can live happy healthy lives. 

 

If taxes go up to further that goal, so be it. 

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Always the clever retort. What's it like to be pro-murder, anyway?

Isn't fighting against government sponsored health care murder by indirect means? 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, TH3 said:

 

 

So - I take it you two have taken it upon yourselves to participate in adoption activities so unwanted pregnancies would be carried to term....perhaps you could tell us all about it....

I need to sign up to adopt. ??

 

[TH3]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Always the clever retort. What's it like to be pro-murder, anyway?

So I take it - that is a no...you are just going to take convenience....

 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I'm for the government doing all it can to ensure as many Americans as possible have access to affordable health care so they can live happy healthy lives. 

 

If taxes go up to further that goal, so be it. 

Isn't fighting against government sponsored health care murder by indirect means? 

Right, you endorse putting guns to heads of American citizens to rob them and enrich the coffers of the one of the most inefficient institutions in the world, in the name of “good.”

 

Difference of opinion, but again, mine is right.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, TH3 said:

So I take it - that is a no...you are just going to take convenience....

 

 

You're correct that it's a no. I have my own child I haven't murdered.

 

 

[bilzfancy]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I'm for the government doing all it can to ensure as many Americans as possible have access to affordable health care so they can live happy healthy lives. 

 

If taxes go up to further that goal, so be it. 

Single payer, which is what the left in promoting will cost between 32-36 trillion, how do you propose that gets paid for?

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, bilzfancy said:

Single payer, which is what the left in promoting will cost between 32-36 trillion, how do you propose that gets paid for?

Taxes. We can call them "Pro-Life Taxes" 

 

Life is wonderful! 

[TH3]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You're correct that it's a no. I have my own child I haven't murdered.

 

 

Here is a dose or reality....I have a close family member who worked at PP for many years.....you know who gets abortions? Everyone....that includes the 16 year old daughters and wives of conservative anti abortion folk like yourself who find themselves in an uncomfortable situation and what to make the predicament go away - as quickly and as silently as possible....look around - I can guarantee you people close to you and your family have had abortions - or been the father...yup....its true......want to speak out against abortion? Lead by example...otherwise all you are doing is living in a fantasy world and imposing your views on reality

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, TH3 said:

Here is a dose or reality....I have a close family member who worked at PP for many years.....you know who gets abortions? Everyone....that includes the 16 year old daughters and wives of conservative anti abortion folk like yourself who find themselves in an uncomfortable situation and what to make the predicament go away - as quickly and as silently as possible....look around - I can guarantee you people close to you and your family have had abortions - or been the father...yup....its true......want to speak out against abortion? Lead by example...otherwise all you are doing is living in a fantasy world and imposing your views on reality

 

I'm "imposing my views on reality" by opposing the murder of children?

 

Good. That's a view that should be "imposed on reality."
 

[bilzfancy]

1 minute ago, TH3 said:

Here is a dose or reality....I have a close family member who worked at PP for many years.....you know who gets abortions? Everyone....that includes the 16 year old daughters and wives of conservative anti abortion folk like yourself who find themselves in an uncomfortable situation and what to make the predicament go away - as quickly and as silently as possible....look around - I can guarantee you people close to you and your family have had abortions - or been the father...yup....its true......want to speak out against abortion? Lead by example...otherwise all you are doing is living in a fantasy world and imposing your views on reality

1st trimester abortion is one thing, (which I'm against ) but late term abortion is completely different, it's murdering a viable human

[LB3]

12 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Isn't fighting against government sponsored health care murder by indirect means? 

Assisted suicide.

[Tiberius]

Just now, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Assisted suicide.

Exactly, "helping" people die when they can be cured. Yet the pro-life movement is so moral. What a total fraud 

[B-Man]

 

Crimes that can earn you a lethal injection in New York:

Rape: no

Child abduction: no

Child murder: no

Serial murder: no

Mass shooting: no

Being conceived in the wrong womb: yes

 

 

Reminder:

 

The legislation provides a further exception to permit abortion at any point during pregnancy if a health-care practitioner deems it necessary for the mother’s life or health

 

— the exception that was defined in Roe companion case Doe v. Bolton as “all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient.”

 

In other words, abortion will be available to women essentially on demand up to the point of birth.

 

The RHA will also decriminalize abortion, moving it from the state’s criminal code to the public-health code.

 

 

 

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

16 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I’m for healthcare. I think healthcare is important. I’m for eating right and not living beyond your means. Unfortunately, those are the responsibilities of the individual. 

 

His point, as usual, was foolish.

 

"The general welfare" is speaking to functions which have shared utility, and aren't provided by private enterprise.  Healthcare meets neither of these standards.

[whatdrought]

I have always been against abortion, but now that I spend a good deal of time holding my 3 week old daughter, the reality of this is more compelling.

 

The celebration of the taking of innocent life is the sign of a debauched society.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

I have always been against abortion, but now that I spend a good deal of time holding my 3 week old daughter, the reality of this is more compelling.

 

The celebration of the taking of innocent life is the sign of a debauched society.

 

Less debauched, more depraved.

 

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I have always been against abortion, but now that I spend a good deal of time holding my 3 week old daughter, the reality of this is more compelling.

 

The celebration of the taking of innocent life is the sign of a debauched society.

 

Congratulations and God bless!

[whatdrought]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Less debauched, more depraved.

 

 

 

Tomato tahmato. 

 

Theyre still goose stepping to the gas chambers.

[TakeYouToTasker]

10 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Here is a dose or reality....I have a close family member who worked at PP for many years.....you know who gets abortions? Everyone....that includes the 16 year old daughters and wives of conservative anti abortion folk like yourself who find themselves in an uncomfortable situation and what to make the predicament go away - as quickly and as silently as possible....look around - I can guarantee you people close to you and your family have had abortions - or been the father...yup....its true......want to speak out against abortion? Lead by example...otherwise all you are doing is living in a fantasy world and imposing your views on reality

 

There are lots of problems which can be solved via murder.  That doesn't make it moral.

[whatdrought]

I know we all gather here as part of a NY based sports message board, but I honestly don’t know how you guys can stand living in that state. 

 

If I hadn’t moved before I was an adult, I’d have left the first chance I got.

[LB3]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Exactly, "helping" people die when they can be cured. Yet the pro-life movement is so moral. What a total fraud 

Should Americans be forced to live a certain way in order to keep them healthy?

[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, BigMcD said:

Links? Make sure you prove how the abortion money goes straight into dems campaigns and prove the undoubtedly part as well. 

 

How many millions are we talking about? How about 2018 for example? Surely we must be talking NRA type money for you to be this outraged? 

 

Oh yeah and ***** you from Canada. 

 

I should have known better than to expect a Canadian to have any reading comprehension skills. Your contributions here are, essentially, to take questions asked of you and to re-ask them in a manner they were never presented in the first place

 

The answer to the questions I asked...the ones I asked, not the ones you turned them into...are so simply, even you can answer them.

 

But you can't even do that simple task without being stupid enough to think we'll fall for the childish attempt to equate the NRA with PP. (Let me know when the NRA charges people to murder infants.)

 

So do us all a favor; try to contribute in even a small manner to the discussion, because at this juncture your posts are nothing more than another Tibs comment with all the blank stares of AOC being asked to solve a math problem.

[bilzfancy]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

I know we all gather here as part of a NY based sports message board, but I honestly don’t know how you guys can stand living in that state. 

 

If I hadn’t moved before I was an adult, I’d have left the first chance I got.

I left that state 30 years ago, so glad I did, NYS is battling California for the most extreme left wing state in the country

[whatdrought]

Just now, bilzfancy said:

I left that state 30 years ago, so glad I did, NYS is battling California for the most extreme left wing state in the country

 

They should both just move to Europe. I’ll help pay the movers.