Dante Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Ilegal breaching of the border equates to an invasion. Why can't wall funding come out of the defense budget? Pull some of the resources out of the middle east as not to increase the defense budget. Bing, bam done. On to the next thing. Edited January 11, 2019 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Let's do the same for health care... No s—t. But let’s see if we can’t help our system too if possible. Maybe that’s a more pressing issue than the dumb wall. Except for Joe in Winslow. No amount of money is too little to spend on the wall for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Since Nancy is living paycheck-to-paycheck, she can totally relate! Maybe they can illegally be given the inside scoop to get lucrative government contracts, instead of asking their fathers for more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Maybe they can illegally be given the inside scoop to get lucrative government contracts, instead of asking their fathers for more money. Pelosi/American Samoa/Minimum Wage. I smell something fishy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Hey! You retards get a check from Mexico yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Pelosi/American Samoa/Minimum Wage. I smell something fishy. Probably Asian Carp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 36 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: What the ***** did I just read? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, BigMcD said: Hey! You retards get a check from Mexico yet? Anyone get a check from Ron Mexico? Anyone? What about you, Mr. Danger? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Ask spain if border walls work or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla_border_fence Yeah, that is a small wall to keep the Moroccans out of Spain, but the Moroccan Western Wall is the second largest in the world, to keep unwanted Muslims out... It's actually a double berm wall, with land mines in between But hey, walls don't work.... Edited January 12, 2019 by Cinga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: No s—t. But let’s see if we can’t help our system too if possible. Maybe that’s a more pressing issue than the dumb wall. Except for Joe in Winslow. No amount of money is too little to spend on the wall for him. The federal budget exceeds $4 trillion dollars. What exactly does "help our system” mean to you? DHS estimated in 2015 there were 12,000,000 unauthorized immigrants in the US. The "official" number has stayed between 10-12 million for the past years, with the acknowledgement from the government that while certain mathematical assumptions are made, they really have no $&$&ing clue. Recent study by some folks at MIT suggests the number is closer to 22 million, with an estimate the the floor is no lower than 16 million. I think the time for "but ...." has passed. There is no one solution to this problem, there is plenty of blame to go around and it's time to move forward with some semblance of a plan. As for "more pressing issues...", that's all in the eye of the beholder. Every politician involved in this absurd dialogue has spoken passionately about the need to address this crisis, and spoken about it as if it's a crisis at one point or another. I'd argue the victims of violent crime might suggest the issue is pretty pressing, and we can deal with the mating habits of the McCain-Kennedy skunkfish at a later time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Since Nancy is living paycheck-to-paycheck, she can totally relate! She looks really happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 12 hours ago, BigMcD said: Hey! You retards get a check from Mexico yet? Shhh... They will pay with a trade deal. I am swinging my gates right now, moving 4800 tons of Mexican steel north... Asian carp are swimming alongside the barges as they go through the lock... Gotta a total of 30,000 tons of product in 14 barges queued and waiting as we speak. Gonna be a busy day for migrant fish! Anyway... The real retard is the dolt for creating a diversion from his scandal riddled Presidency and fighting the "Browning of America" with his racist and immoral agenda so his minority constituents don't lose their grip on power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The shutdown won't end till Trump declares an emergency. No deal is going to be made here. Both sides are firmly entrenched in their positions, and at this point neither side can abandon their stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/684037990/border-patrol-makes-its-case-for-an-expanded-border-barrier?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social Border Patrol Union website had a post saying " A wall would be a waste of tax payer's $$ "...seems like they go back and forth on the issue.....they do mention that a wall or a fence could help, but it does not address the main causes....and focusing on the symptoms.... https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59v7k3/border-patrol-union-just-deleted-a-webpage-saying-a-wall-would-be-wasting-taxpayer-money Edited January 12, 2019 by Iron Maiden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: Border Patrol Union website had a post saying " A wall would be a waste of tax payer's $$ "...seems like they go back and forth on the issue.....they do mention that a wall or a fence could help, but it does not address the main causes....and focusing on the symptoms.... https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59v7k3/border-patrol-union-just-deleted-a-webpage-saying-a-wall-would-be-wasting-taxpayer-money Far be it for unions to not want jobs eliminated (and dues reduced). Do you think there may be some self serving interests here? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The shutdown won't end till Trump declares an emergency. No deal is going to be made here. Both sides are firmly entrenched in their positions, and at this point neither side can abandon their stance. Nor should the pro-wall people. it needs to be built and utilized as part of a means of shutting off the tap of central american migration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 55 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The shutdown won't end till Trump declares an emergency. No deal is going to be made here. Both sides are firmly entrenched in their positions, and at this point neither side can abandon their stance. Which stance are the dems firmly entrenched in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Iron Maiden Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Far be it for unions to not want jobs eliminated (and dues reduced). Do you think there may be some self serving interests here? There's probably some truth in the above....but still made me pause a little....if they think it's not the answer.....and a waste of $$..........They're the one working there on a daily basis.....I put more weight in their comments than politician's.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: There's probably some truth in the above....but still made me pause a little....if they think it's not the answer.....and a waste of $$..........They're the one working there on a daily basis.....I put more weight in their comments than politician's.... Did you read the entire article by Caroline Haskins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: There's probably some truth in the above....but still made me pause a little....if they think it's not the answer.....and a waste of $$..........They're the one working there on a daily basis.....I put more weight in their comments than politician's.... Me too. My opinion on this issue was shaped entirely by conversations and experience I've had with actual CBP/DHS/ICE agents working the worst stretches of the southern border. To a man they all have argued for a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: To a man... How DARE you assume their gender identity! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 If it's not the wall, it'll be something else. We have a system. Houses of Congress craft legislation. If the vote passes in the house that crafts it, it goes to the other house where it either passes and goes to POTUS or it dies. If it goes to POTUS and (s)he refuses to sign it, Congress can either kvetch or try to muster an override. That's how our system was built - in an attempt to maintain a balance of power and keep any single branch or individual from having too much. In this case, the "leader" of the Senate is following orders from POTUS and refusing to allow the Senate to consider bills to open the government, whilst negotiating border security separately. Everyone wants border security. The disagreement is what exactly constitutes effective border security. If you want a wall and think that getting it at any cost is worth it, just consider that they other side is going to be able to do the same thing when they come to power. And they're going to come to power with a vengeance after this, because no-one believes that anyone but the POTUS is responsible for this mess, and most Americans are savvy enough to realize a wall isn't going to protect the country from a manufactured crisis. If you don't mind that people are suffering because a supposed "leader" is having a temper tantrum, that's somewhat telling. And remember next time it could be you caught in the middle. In the meantime, if you know someone caught up in this you might want to be kind and reach out to offer assistance if you can. Seattle is having "resource fairs" here at Sea-Tac airport, one yesterday and another Monday, where people can be connected with various options to keep them going while McConnell hides out under his rock. I hope other cities are doing the same, but if not the offer of a few extra groceries might be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 https://twitter.com/Patrici15767099/status/1084135615875112960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 what is going to be the narrative when they do capitulate? we have supported a wall all along! REPORT: Democrats Begin To Cave On Border Wall As Internal Polling Shows Americans Want Border Security 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1084117457202106368 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 36 minutes ago, blzrul said: If it's not the wall, it'll be something else. We have a system. Houses of Congress craft legislation. If the vote passes in the house that crafts it, it goes to the other house where it either passes and goes to POTUS or it dies. If it goes to POTUS and (s)he refuses to sign it, Congress can either kvetch or try to muster an override. That's how our system was built - in an attempt to maintain a balance of power and keep any single branch or individual from having too much. In this case, the "leader" of the Senate is following orders from POTUS and refusing to allow the Senate to consider bills to open the government, whilst negotiating border security separately. Everyone wants border security. The disagreement is what exactly constitutes effective border security. If you want a wall and think that getting it at any cost is worth it, just consider that they other side is going to be able to do the same thing when they come to power. And they're going to come to power with a vengeance after this, because no-one believes that anyone but the POTUS is responsible for this mess, and most Americans are savvy enough to realize a wall isn't going to protect the country from a manufactured crisis. If you don't mind that people are suffering because a supposed "leader" is having a temper tantrum, that's somewhat telling. And remember next time it could be you caught in the middle. In the meantime, if you know someone caught up in this you might want to be kind and reach out to offer assistance if you can. Seattle is having "resource fairs" here at Sea-Tac airport, one yesterday and another Monday, where people can be connected with various options to keep them going while McConnell hides out under his rock. I hope other cities are doing the same, but if not the offer of a few extra groceries might be appreciated. That, or the "leader" of the "senate" isn't interested in tying up the floor of the "senate" in order to "debate" legislation that is going to be "vetoed" by the "president". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Foxx said: what is going to be the narrative when they do capitulate? That we're all immoral racists? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, blzrul said: If it's not the wall, it'll be something else. We have a system. Houses of Congress craft legislation. If the vote passes in the house that crafts it, it goes to the other house where it either passes and goes to POTUS or it dies. If it goes to POTUS and (s)he refuses to sign it, Congress can either kvetch or try to muster an override. That's how our system was built - in an attempt to maintain a balance of power and keep any single branch or individual from having too much. In this case, the "leader" of the Senate is following orders from POTUS and refusing to allow the Senate to consider bills to open the government, whilst negotiating border security separately. Everyone wants border security. The disagreement is what exactly constitutes effective border security. If you want a wall and think that getting it at any cost is worth it, just consider that they other side is going to be able to do the same thing when they come to power. And they're going to come to power with a vengeance after this, because no-one believes that anyone but the POTUS is responsible for this mess, and most Americans are savvy enough to realize a wall isn't going to protect the country from a manufactured crisis. If you don't mind that people are suffering because a supposed "leader" is having a temper tantrum, that's somewhat telling. And remember next time it could be you caught in the middle. In the meantime, if you know someone caught up in this you might want to be kind and reach out to offer assistance if you can. Seattle is having "resource fairs" here at Sea-Tac airport, one yesterday and another Monday, where people can be connected with various options to keep them going while McConnell hides out under his rock. I hope other cities are doing the same, but if not the offer of a few extra groceries might be appreciated. The wall argument has been going on for over 30 years because the left has always agreed to fund it if they got what they wanted (mainly amnesty). Then, once they got what they wanted they reneged. There was an agreement a year or so ago that would have built the wall and in turn legitimatized the DACA people. That agreement fell apart once a federal judge unconstitutionally blocked Trump's ability to void an Obama Executive Order that in and of itself was illegal. That effectively took away any leverage that Trump had and the dems no longer gaveashit about the DACA people other than to use them as a political issue. The funding that Trump is trying to get is for border security, not just a wall. You on the left try to characterize it as just a wall so that you can criticize it's effectiveness with claims like people can use ladders or build tunnels. The purpose of the wall is to funnel people to ports of entry where they can be vetted properly. What you and all the other libs are calling a "manufactured crisis" is a real crisis, one that includes fighting terrorism, sex slavery and gangs. Trump is the Git "Er Done President and it scares the hell out of you libs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 1/11/2019 at 10:48 AM, ExiledInIllinois said: Actually, I don't... Sometimes. LoL... /smh Both neighbors on sides of me have my key, code to garage door. Heck, even Amazon & Chamberlain are teaming up to get your Garage Door Code. I am a good leftist. LoL... On 1/11/2019 at 11:28 AM, Foxx said: oh good. i'm sure you, your wife and your children won't mind then if we have ICE just drop an illegal family off at your doorstep while your away so they can come right in and make themselves at home. of course, you won't be surprised that they are there when you get home and we can also assume that you will not be calling the police. make sure you take good care of them, feed them, bathe them, care for their medical needs and schooling and trust me, they will need schooling because they probably don't speak English nor are they able to support themselves. so glad we have people like you to take care of these poor misfortunate people. we will pray that you don't end up a statistic like many others have. best of luck to you and thank you again. ? i guess this scenario is going to play out pretty soon in La La Land. will be interesting to see what hypocrisy the Progressives come up with. LA's Battle for Venice Beach: Homeless Surge Puts Hollywood's Progressive Ideals to the Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, Foxx said: https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1084117457202106368 From your post: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, blzrul said: If it's not the wall, it'll be something else. We have a system. Houses of Congress craft legislation. If the vote passes in the house that crafts it, it goes to the other house where it either passes and goes to POTUS or it dies. If it goes to POTUS and (s)he refuses to sign it, Congress can either kvetch or try to muster an override. That's how our system was built - in an attempt to maintain a balance of power and keep any single branch or individual from having too much. In this case, the "leader" of the Senate is following orders from POTUS and refusing to allow the Senate to consider bills to open the government, whilst negotiating border security separately. Everyone wants border security. The disagreement is what exactly constitutes effective border security. If you want a wall and think that getting it at any cost is worth it, just consider that they other side is going to be able to do the same thing when they come to power. And they're going to come to power with a vengeance after this, because no-one believes that anyone but the POTUS is responsible for this mess, and most Americans are savvy enough to realize a wall isn't going to protect the country from a manufactured crisis. If you don't mind that people are suffering because a supposed "leader" is having a temper tantrum, that's somewhat telling. And remember next time it could be you caught in the middle. In the meantime, if you know someone caught up in this you might want to be kind and reach out to offer assistance if you can. Seattle is having "resource fairs" here at Sea-Tac airport, one yesterday and another Monday, where people can be connected with various options to keep them going while McConnell hides out under his rock. I hope other cities are doing the same, but if not the offer of a few extra groceries might be appreciated. What a load Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Iron Maiden said: Border Patrol Union website had a post saying " A wall would be a waste of tax payer's $$ "...seems like they go back and forth on the issue.....they do mention that a wall or a fence could help, but it does not address the main causes....and focusing on the symptoms.... Unions had a place in this world years ago. They are essentially no longer needed at pretty much any level. Today they are nothing more than a money-laundering operation to elect politicians who pass laws that put more money in the pockets of unions, which put that money into the campaign coffers of the politicians who passed the laws to give them the money in the first place. No modern day debate has ever been won by starting with the words "According to (XYZ) Union Officials..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Which stance are the dems firmly entrenched in? Not allowing Trump to fulfill his primary campaign promise. Without the construction of a "wall", Trump's base will fracture apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 38 minutes ago, Foxx said: i guess this scenario is going to play out pretty soon in La La Land. will be interesting to see what hypocrisy the Progressives come up with. LA's Battle for Venice Beach: Homeless Surge Puts Hollywood's Progressive Ideals to the Test That's pretty much my backyard. Can confirm, there's a lot of NIMBY going on in Santa Monica and Venice... "walls are bad on the border, but please put some more up by the beach!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's pretty much my backyard. Can confirm, there's a lot of NIMBY going on in Santa Monica and Venice... "walls are bad on the border, but please put some more up by the beach!" my apologies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Not allowing Trump to fulfill his primary campaign promise. Without the construction of a "wall", Trump's base will fracture apart. The Left has had many stances over the years regarding a wall on the border. Hard to believe them on anything. Trump is playing this smart. If he can't get a deal with the libs he'll simply declare an emergency and the 9th Circuit will shut him down. Not getting a wall will then be the fault of the courts and one of his biggest campaign issues will be revived for the 2020 election. Pelosi's obstinacy will be an issue and will certainly hurt her chances of staying in the majority. The dems always overplay their hand. Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, blzrul said: snip In the meantime, if you know someone caught up in this you might want to be kind and reach out to offer assistance if you can. Seattle is having "resource fairs" here at Sea-Tac airport, one yesterday and another Monday, where people can be connected with various options to keep them going while McConnell hides out under his rock. I hope other cities are doing the same, but if not the offer of a few extra groceries might be appreciated. Meanwhile south of your border the Oregon governor''s husband (who doesn't even have the same last name) grabs a selfie stick and partakes in a little political gerrymandering: Oregon governor says husband sending Trump bill for cleaning national forest bathrooms amid government shutdown https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2019/01/oregon-governor-says-husband-sending-trump-bill-for-cleaning-state-forest-bathrooms-amid-government-shutdown.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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